Wild boar released

Bog Trotter99 · 21-06-2021 03:51PM

cookimonster wrote: »

I don't pretend to know of the intricacies of pig farming but I do know why alot of the food safety regulations came into being and it wasn't all to do with modern food production. Many of the traditional practices of farming were no longer compatible with safe practices and many of the issues associated with food production are in fact historical.

Could you expand on that because it is really relevant?

But in the UK and Ireland they have been searching for it. They found it once in a wild animal (a fox) in 52 years.
....and still you don't get the relevance of that fact. I won't repeat myself.

No I dont. My view would be you check for everything possible. But if you arent finding it or anybody suffering from the disease, then it can't be there and even though you don't stop looking, you pay particular attention to what is there. For example the other worms etc.

I do believe that after eating green mouldy sausage rolls, having a silver fish run under my black pudding, finding slugs and bird ****e on my salad, getting ill from a fried chicken outlet and a relation getting worms from purchased sandwiches (wash hands), .

Every example you give above is why we have checks and balances in the food industry, if not it would be alot worse then the public perceive.

Believe me I know a lot more than whats there. As you know there IS a lot goes on.

Really, .... well thanks, obviously when you can't put together a rational, cohesive and factual argument you just turn to smart and snide remarks.

I can chat rationally and quite intelligently to the cows come home. But I am not going to have my words twisted as you did yet again with salmonella...............For your info.........Untill Edwina Curry highlighted what was going on. We didnt associate Salmonella with chicken or have or even do the things about it as we do now. You pointed out Salmonella had been discovered 100 or so years ago. This is correct. Until the chicken/egg disclosure most people associated Salmonella with shellfish because of their love of living by sewage outlets as we pumped it into the sea. Together with Hepatitis and a whole lot of others.

Feisar · 21-06-2021 03:53PM

Can we all just agree that this is wrong!

Bog Trotter99 · 21-06-2021 03:55PM

What is it?

Feisar · 21-06-2021 03:59PM

Bog Trotter99 wrote: »

What is it?

Rare chicken breast.

minktrapper · 21-06-2021 07:17PM

Feisar wrote: »

Can we all just agree that this is wrong!

How much did you pay for it?

Birdnuts · 21-06-2021 08:02PM

Any time I got a bad gut on foreign holidays, it was always the chicken. I just avoid it now

cookimonster · 21-06-2021 08:19PM

Birdnuts wrote: »

Any time I got a bad gut on foreign holidays, it was always the chicken. I just avoid it now

A good chicken dish can move you ...... a bad one can move you in so many different ways.

Feisar · 21-06-2021 08:58PM

minktrapper wrote: »

How much did you pay for it?

It’s s pic from the net. Apparently it was a thing for a while.

Grizzly 45 · 21-06-2021 09:29PM

Sushi...The one cusine art, I've yet to try. And being mad enough, I'll even try the fugu fish dish.:D

Bass Reeves · 21-06-2021 09:43PM

Bog Trotter99 wrote: »

Pigs eat anything except onions. They will kill and eat birds and probably small animals if they can get them as well.

A pig is a domesticated boar many times bred for different reasons. At one time for fat but more today for meat. At one time for their young meat and other times for the older meat.

Heard a very funny story about this. A lad near me with a few acres had bit of everything on the farm. He used fatten a few pigs. One year he got a load of young drakes from s lad that had laying ducks. He had about 70 at the start.
A few went missing and then a few more. He spend nights up watching for foxes, he made sure the ducks were locked up at night. But the ducks kept on disappearing.

This day he was back in his shed. The pugs were in there pen where they had Access to the outside. A duckling passed in front of the pig pen out came a pig snout grabbed the duck by the neck .By the to e he got to the Len there was only a few feathers left.

As he said most people have heard of duck stuffed with bacon but he has pork stuffed with ducks

Bog Trotter99 · 22-06-2021 12:48AM

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Heard a very funny story about this. A lad near me with a few acres had bit of everything on the farm. He used fatten a few pigs. One year he got a load of young drakes from s lad that had laying ducks. He had about 70 at the start.
A few went missing and then a few more. He spend nights up watching for foxes, he made sure the ducks were locked up at night. But the ducks kept on disappearing.

This day he was back in his shed. The pugs were in there pen where they had Access to the outside. A duckling passed in front of the pig pen out came a pig snout grabbed the duck by the neck .By the to e he got to the Len there was only a few feathers left.

As he said most people have heard of duck stuffed with bacon but he has pork stuffed with ducks

I saw this happen to a pigeon which landed in the outside part of the pig pen. No doubt the pigeon eyed up a few bits of grain from the straw. The pig moved faster than lightening and disappeared in about 3 chews.

Another 'gilt' I was watching. A young pig giving birth to her first lot of young, gave birth to her first. As soon as it popped out and made a noise, she stood up and killed it instantly and that was soon gone. She probably thought it was giving her a pain in the rear so sorted it out and pigs waste nothing.

It is very related to the topic. Because the ability to eat anything makes them great survivors. The cold will kill the large white indoor pigs. But the hairy old Tammys are a very hardy type and most likely your wild ones or crosses of such.

They are also very clever. They watch and learn. The only fence which holds them is a very good and strong electric fence. But if their food runs out and they see more on the other side. They will soon find away to beat that fence.

And there is probably your wild boar, but surely your wild pig.

Mellor · 22-06-2021 06:17AM

Feisar wrote: »

I've minced ribeyes at home and cooked them up with a bit of pink in the middle. But I reckon I was wrong in my thinking. There's nothing special about a steak in terms of food safety. By mincing it I was mixing the outside of the cut with the inside.

If you minced a steak you bought previous at home, then yes you'd be just dispersing the bacteria through the mince - which might be a lot depending on how old it is. In that case I'd sear quickly before mincing for the burger.

However, when I get my butcher to do it. He cuts a fresh steak off a whole piece. By the time you trim it a bit, and cut a few steaks off (not using the first one for mince). There very little of those steaks that were "outer surface".

So there should be much lower ratios of bacteria verses mince that you pick up that was sitting around. Time is a big factor for bacteria.

Richard308 · 22-06-2021 06:36AM

In other news unrelated to this debate :-) they got the missing animal.

https://www.farmersjournal.ie/remaining-wild-boar-in-kerry-dispatched-629852

cookimonster · 22-06-2021 06:48AM

Your best rule of thumb with any mince is to 'nuke it' cooking wise - go the full 'hog' on the internal temp - 75C. Even when the meat product is free of bacterial pathogens it is very easy to contaminate the mince from outside sources (cross contamination) such as equipment, work surfaces and individuals. Most bacteria associated with various meat products are easily controlled by proper storage and final cooking temperatures that a carried out on a day to day basis in your own homes. Keep the product cold during preparation and storage then cook well and serve hot as soon as possible.

Melanchthon · 22-06-2021 07:01AM

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

As for rare beef.Cant get any rarer than raw steak tatare.Which is delicious, but needs to be shock frozen to kill off all parasites,and is even today risky with mad cow disease.I do like my steak "blue"ditto rare burger,but trying to get someone to cook such in a resturant is a problem,because of fear of litagation.So the idea of "undercooked pork" is going to be an even harder sell.

Your not going to cook away Mad Cow disease unless your turning meat to charcoal, it's caused by a prion (replicating protein) that requires properly high temperatures of 100+ C to deactivate.

cookimonster · 22-06-2021 08:11AM

Melanchthon wrote: »

Your not going to cook away Mad Cow disease unless your turning meat to charcoal, it's caused by a prion (replicating protein) that requires properly high temperatures of 100+ C to deactivate.

That's true, but the tissues affected by BSE have been removed from the food chain. An over reaction at the time was seen when the likes of T bone steaks and Rib Roast on the bone was no longer available. The laughable 'boneless T Bones' that turned up on the supermarket shelves always made me smile.
Previous practices of classifying all products of cattle as 'meat' has been stopped. In the past a steak and kidney pie could in fact be all kidney or worse 'arseholes, lips and eyeballs'.
'Within the European Union, meat is, in principle, considered as skeletal muscle deriving from specified animal species, which may include edible offal and blood'(yes I Googled this part)
Labeling legislation also helped to cleary identify component parts of made up dishes and helped compel manufacturers to comply with standards.

tomtucker81 · 24-09-2021 03:22PM

I was out foreign(Croatia) 2 weeks ago and got to join a local on a night out in the mountains. Apart from getting to see and smell boar(very distinct) for the first time, interesting to see in that country night vision is totally legal for hunting, yet a moderator will land you in the Croatian version of Mountjoy.

I did think the night vision made it far too easy, less hunt/skill involved.

Cass · 24-09-2021 11:07PM

Real wild Boar, not ferl pig. Are they an invasive species in Croatia? If so I can see and understand why you'd use NV for them. Eradication which leads to conservation over "fair play" is needed with them, seemingly.

Suppressors completely illegal? No chance for a license/allowance for them?

Sika98k · 25-09-2021 12:38AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117936025#Comment_117936025

Real wild boar are pretty much indigenous across Europe. However with the spread of African Swine Fever there is a move to eradicate/ reduce their numbers as much as possible. At a minimum Hungary, Romania and Croatia ban the use of moderators.

Cass · 25-09-2021 11:53AM

Some good information there, that I didn't know. Thanks for that.

tomtucker81 · 26-09-2021 08:56AM

The boar hunting was out of normal hunting seasons as such, but explained to me as they have to be hunted year round. This i picked up as meaning they are a vermin species to them.

Loca area clubs , much as in our gun clubs I suppose, organise hide boxes and feeding stands on timer to try attract them in. They have a very quick reproduction cycle, and what I understood was almost like rabbits, young would be breeding from maybe 6 months old and a mother every 3 or 4 months thereafter. Producing anything from 2 -12 offspring.

The pic I showed of my deer rifle and moderator was a source of wonder...A moderator!!! Like a holy grail. They understood perfectly that it doesn't 'silence' the gun, merely reduces noise to a bearable decibel level. But still illegal. Possibly due to their being a young country with recent wars?

The style of hunting, hide box and feed station, I wasn't sure of. But then it meant sitting down on a couch(yes an actual couch) in the box, it was always around 20° in the middle of the night and being up higher you got a lovely breeze. Too warm for stalking around😂 in winter they do stalk more as we would know it, but then it's for boar and deer.

Cass · 26-09-2021 04:27PM

Sometimes the grass is not always greener, in relation to the suppressor. We sometimes forget, with all the bitching and moaning about our gun laws, that at the very heart of it we don't have it so bad, at times.

Appreciate your sharing the story and if you're more pictures I'd be interested to see them. Thanks.

Grizzly 45 · 27-09-2021 11:19AM

Germany has the same problem and are finally realising the benefits of suppressors AND finally Nite vision. You now have to think of this differently, it's not hunting per see anymore. It's pest control when a species gets over manageable numbers,and with that all methods should become legal to get to control it.

PS Did they draw the porkys tusks for you for a trophy? That fellah had a decent set .

tomtucker81 · 01-10-2021 11:20AM

No, I didn't get the tusks. I saw some others mounted and they were significantly bigger. I did take a few boar salamis home, which were devoured by my own little wolf pack here and I'm under orders to go get more.

Yeah they seem a real pest species. I suppose like rabbits taking hold in a field, they can destroy the area. So no restrictions really on how they're shot/methods

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