Hungary passes new homophobic laws

bb1234567 · 20-06-2021 10:58am

Mic 1972 wrote: »

Instead of blaming Hungary maybe there is a lesson to learn for LGBT.
Lots of gay and lesbians are now distancing themselves form LGBT too.

I think there is a lesson here for sure. The lesson is that is nothing to do with backlash to the problems you spoke about. Do you think Hungarian public or government ever gave time to this learner bull**** or whatever irrelevant nonsense was used in this thread to excuse hatred. No , this kind of harsh treatment of minorities is only introduced where their rights were always already trampled all over and not respected. It's just a continuation of that, nothing new. Or do you seriously think the Hungarian government was deeply concerned over the imminent arrival of the concept of their school kids being called learners ? Hahaha!

There's a reason we will never see this kind of bill brought to Ireland or Canada , even though allegedly our LGBT communities are going 'overboard' here. Anyway mic , what will be our next punishment for our outspoken ways? Where will you 'draw the line' at these backlash measures that trample all over the rights of gay people , such as the right of gay children in Hungary to learn about sexuality, now gone. I'm sure that really softened the cough of the loud mouth Hungarian gays!

20-06-2021 10:58am

Mic 1972 wrote: »

Advise teachers NOT to use the terms boy and girl, is the same as saying that such terms are inappropriate, which is nonsense and is the reason why people are turning their back at LGBT

No it's not the same.
It's advising teachers to use certain terms is no big deal.
And what is people turning their back on LGBT supposed to mean anyway?

Mic 1972 · 20-06-2021 10:59am

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Youre either deliberately trying to stir things up or swallowing divisive nonsense being spread by others. Kids in school have been referred to as pupils or students for as long as I can remember

I'm defending the use of terms Boy and Girl
how is that stirring?

Guy:Incognito · 20-06-2021 11:02am

Mic 1972 wrote: »

I'm defending the use of terms Boy and Girl
how is that stirring?

In what scenario? Teachers will generally refer to "the pupil" or "the student" and have done for decades. Its not new. They dont usually call them "the boy" , they arent Homer Simpson.

Hungary are not new here, theyre just decades behind western European countries like the UK who since got rid of such laws.

Mic 1972 · 20-06-2021 11:03am

bb1234567 wrote: »

I think there is a lesson here for sure. The lesson is that is nothing to do with backlash to the problems you spoke about. Do you think Hungarian public or government ever gave time to this learner bull**** or whatever irrelevant nonsense was used in this thread to excuse hatred. No , this kind of harsh treatment of minorities is only introduced where their rights were always already trampled all over and not respected. It's just a continuation of that, nothing new. Or do you seriously think the Hungarian government was deeply concerned over the imminent arrival of the concept of their school kids being called learners ? Hahaha!

There's a reason we will never see this kind of bill brought to Ireland or Canada , even though allegedly our LGBT communities are going 'overboard' here

Hungary is aware of how far things have gone in other countries, they are drawing a line to prevent things from getting out of hand.
I'm expecting other European countries to adopt a similar approach in the next few years.
A good way to avoid countries form become extremely anti-LGBT would be for LGBT to have a more tolerant approach towards non-LGBT

Mic 1972 · 20-06-2021 11:06am

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

In what scenario? Teachers will generally refer to "the pupil" or "the student" and have done for decades. Its not new. They dont usually call them "the boy" , they arent Homer Simpson.

I'm referring to this

"Stonewall recently came out and argued that the terms "boys" and "girls" should be dropped in schools. Instead, the word "learner" is recommended."

The general opinion is that the terms boys and girls should not be dropped, LGBT is pushing for something that is only going to make them even more unpopular

bb1234567 · 20-06-2021 11:10am

Mic 1972 wrote: »

Hungary is aware of how far things have gone in other countries, they are drawing a line to prevent things from getting out of hand.
I'm expecting other European countries to adopt a similar approach in the next few years.
A good way to avoid countries form become extremely anti-LGBT would be for LGBT to have a more tolerant approach towards non-LGBT

Oh how naive. And we went too far with women's right too I suppose. The pro active polish government really tried to stop that in its tracks huh? What fantastic initiatives these eastern governments have. I'm sure that's why quality of life is just so much higher in those regions of Europe

20-06-2021 11:12am

Mic 1972 wrote: »

I'm defending the use of terms Boy and Girl
how is that stirring?

Western LGBT has lost all perspective. I'm speaking moreso of the activists and self-proclaimed spokespeople of the community, including Stonewall but far from limited to them.

Discussions of whether boy or girl should be used in schools, about a multiplicity of self-identified genders and so on -- is a massive distraction from what they really should be doing.

I can think of countless examples.

- highlighting cases of LGBT abuse in other countries, often Muslim countries.
- offering dialogue between those of faith and those within the LGBT community.
- raising awareness of sexual health matters within the community.

You get the idea. These are productive and pragmatic paths to take.

But this ridiculous sideshow of focussing on the use of language and self-identification does nothing more than alienate a previously LGBT-allied population. These are retrograde, alienating steps - and serve to reverse any progressive action over the past 20 years.

It's almost as if they have too much power of equality and aren't quite sure what to do with it - so it becomes about channelling that power down any path, rather than be seen to do nothing at all.

Ideological puritanism is always dangerous.

Mic 1972 · 20-06-2021 11:13am

bb1234567 wrote: »

Oh how naive. And we went too far with women's right too I suppose. The pro active polish government really tried to stop that in its tracks huh? What fantastic initiatives these eastern governments have. I'm sure that's why quality of life is just so much higher in those regions of Europe

Your comment is racist against Polish and other Eastern cultures

listermint · 20-06-2021 11:17am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Western LGBT has lost all perspective. I'm speaking moreso of the activists and self-proclaimed spokespeople of the community, including Stonewall but far from limited to them.

Discussions of whether boy or girl should be used in schools, about a multiplicity of self-identified genders and so on -- is a massive distraction from what they really should be doing.

I can think of countless examples.

- highlighting cases of LGBT abuse in other countries, often Muslim countries.
- offering dialogue between those of faith and those within the LGBT community.
- raising awareness of sexual health matters within the community.

You get the idea. These are productive and pragmatic paths to take.

But this ridiculous sideshow of focussing on the use of language and self-identification does nothing more than alienate a previously LGBT-allied population. These are retrograde, alienating steps - and serve to reverse any progressive action over the past 20 years.

It's almost as if they have too much power of equality and aren't quite sure what to do with it - so it becomes about channelling that power down any path, rather than be seen to do nothing at all.

Ideological puritanism is always dangerous.

What does any of that have to do with the Hungarian governments actions in this specific case which it appears you are still defending.

Theses laws are used to marginalise specifically people like you. They target you . Not me. You.

listermint · 20-06-2021 11:18am

Mic 1972 wrote: »

Your comment is racist against Polish and other Eastern cultures

You literally do not understand what the term racist means.

Guy:Incognito · 20-06-2021 11:19am

Mic 1972 wrote: »

Hungary is aware of how far things have gone in other countries, they are drawing a line to prevent things from getting out of hand.
I'm expecting other European countries to adopt a similar approach in the next few years.
A good way to avoid countries form become extremely anti-LGBT would be for LGBT to have a more tolerant approach towards non-LGBT

Nothing has "gone too far" in other countries other people that dont like LGBTQ people trying to whip up anti LGBTQ sentiment by claiming things are "gone too far".
Im willing to bet 99.99% of non LGBTQ people have not be affected in any way in their daily lives by anything brought in to make things more inclusive.

The people I've come across that moan about these things will turn out to be people who listen to the likes of Jordan Peterson telling them that as straight white men they are under attack from women and LGBTQ people. Its an industry getting rich off telling the majority they are being oppressed.

People thinking they are being so original with with their anti trans stuff dont even realise they are a literal copy of the anti gay stuff from the 80's. Most of it is the exact same arguements just being reused. Unfortunately, like every section of society, there are members of the LGB community buying in to it too, not even realising that they would have had the same things said about them in the past.

Some countries are just running a few decades behind in hating different groups. Just like everyone else, theyll eventually move on to the next group to hate. If theres one thing religious groups love to do, its finding people to hate.

bb1234567 · 20-06-2021 11:19am

Mic 1972 wrote: »

Your comment is racist against Polish and other Eastern cultures

No it isn't mic. Watch me get a ban or warning like you did for my racist behaviour like you did. Probably just more pro LGBT nonsense protecting me if I don't get the ban . And if we're scrutinising posts in such a pc way then it's pretty shocking to see you claim your opinion is not prejudicial when you believe the aggressive government treatment of all LGBT persons and related issue is appropriate response based on some irrelevant comments made by select members of the community on another continent

The J Stands for Jay · 20-06-2021 11:20am

Theboinkmaster wrote: »

I’m all for live and let live - but some countries (like Canada I think) making laws forcing people to address others by their chosen pronoun is going too far.

If you pretend for a second that no-one is transgender or intersex, this is a law that says you are not allowed to address a woman as 'sir'.

Arguing against this doesn't seem to far, to me, from arguing that you should be allowed to call anyone by names of your choosing, rather than their own name. Should I call you The Oink Miser if I feel like it?

riffmongous · 20-06-2021 11:22am

Das Reich wrote: »

Those people are so racist against Eastern Europe. Not the first time here I saw some users talking bad about it.

You literally named yourself after a group that tried to exterminate Eastern Europeans

Another bull**** law from a country that's sending itself down the path of 1930s central Europe suppressing any possible form of dissent, all so Orban can make himself leader for life.

20-06-2021 11:24am

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

People thinking they are being so original with with their anti trans stuff dont even realise they are a literal copy of the anti gay stuff from the 80's. Most of it is the exact same arguements just being reused. Unfortunately, like every section of society, there are members of the LGB community buying in to it too, not even realising that they would have had the same things said about them in the past.

Some countries are just running a few decades behind in hating different groups. Just like everyone else, theyll eventually move on to the next group to hate. If theres one thing religious groups love to do, its finding people to hate.

A few points of note:

- many trans women and LGBT people agree with my claims. Blaire White and Rose of Dawn are two prominent examples.

- nobody hates trans people. We simply believe that biology and objectivity matters and that should not be sidelined in favour of self-identification and emotion.

- this is not comparable to the 80s. Nobody is arguing that laws should exist banning the existence of trans people. Being gay is objectively true, being astralgender or agendered is a social construction.

- many of us believe that none of the above should be taught to children. Teaching children that alternatives other than he/she exist is an abomination. We cannot butcher the English language based on self-identification as opposed to biological reality.

riffmongous · 20-06-2021 11:26am

eskimohunt wrote: »

A few points of note:

- many trans women and LGBT people agree with my claims. Blaire White and Rose of Dawn are two prominent examples.

- nobody hates trans people. We simply believe that biology and objectivity matters and that should not be sidelined in favour of self-identification and emotion.

- this is not comparable to the 80s. Nobody is arguing that laws should exist banning the existence of trans people. Being gay is objectively true, being astralgender or agendered is a social construction.

- many of us believe that none of the above should be taught to children.

You are supporting a law that bans the existence of trans people as far as anyone u18

20-06-2021 11:28am

riffmongous wrote: »

You are supporting a law that bans the existence of trans people as far as anyone u18

I've repeatedly stated that I do not support the Hungarian legislation.

But that I do support legislation in principle that controls what is taught to children re: self-identification, gender identity, grammar etc.

Guy:Incognito · 20-06-2021 11:29am

eskimohunt wrote: »

Western LGBT has lost all perspective. I'm speaking moreso of the activists and self-proclaimed spokespeople of the community, including Stonewall but far from limited to them.

Discussions of whether boy or girl should be used in schools, about a multiplicity of self-identified genders and so on -- is a massive distraction from what they really should be doing.

I can think of countless examples.

- highlighting cases of LGBT abuse in other countries, often Muslim countries.
- offering dialogue between those of faith and those within the LGBT community.
- raising awareness of sexual health matters within the community.

You get the idea. These are productive and pragmatic paths to take.

But this ridiculous sideshow of focussing on the use of language and self-identification does nothing more than alienate a previously LGBT-allied population. These are retrograde, alienating steps - and serve to reverse any progressive action over the past 20 years.

It's almost as if they have too much power of equality and aren't quite sure what to do with it - so it becomes about channelling that power down any path, rather than be seen to do nothing at all.

Ideological puritanism is always dangerous.

The fact that you have to focus so much time and energy to show how someone in stonewall publicly airing some thought they had is bringing down the cause is proof of it being a complete non issue.

This is like the people who comment on RTE articles about something that happened in america on twitter saying "what about this thing thats happening in Ireland, like RTE only cover 1 story and everything else is ignored, whereas if they just clicked the RTE twitter feed the'd see many things covered.

It's exactly the sort of nonsense anti LGBTQ people grab on to and run with endlessly to try to prove "things have gone too far" .If every idea floated by politicians was enacted , the world really would be in the ****ter.

Guy:Incognito · 20-06-2021 11:30am

eskimohunt wrote: »

A few points of note:

- many trans women and LGBT people agree with my claims. Blaire White and Rose of Dawn are two prominent examples.
.

Many more dont.....

20-06-2021 11:33am

eskimohunt wrote: »

It's almost as if they have too much power of equality and aren't quite sure what to do with it - so it becomes about channelling that power down any path, rather than be seen to do nothing at all.

Ideological puritanism is always dangerous.

Yes it is. I think the concepts of totem and taboo are useful rubrics when it comes to untangling the social effects of rights issues: people who believe in equality of esteem and would never discriminate against a gay person, might wonder why the establishment bangs on about sexuality all the time, why Garda cars have pride flags etc. They are reacting against the erection (har har) of a totem. Totems are a pain the arse to a subset of the population, they demand compliance (and they go hand-in-hand with taboos).

And forwards and backwards we go, the only constant being that we erect totems and knock them down. As another poster said, be decent to everyone, regardless of details of appearance, background, etc.

20-06-2021 11:35am

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

The fact that you have to focus so much time and energy to show how someone in stonewall publicly airing some thought they had is bringing down the cause is proof of it being a complete non issue.

This is like the people who comment on RTE articles about something that happened in america on twitter saying "what about this thing thats happening in Ireland, like RTE only cover 1 story and everything else is ignored, whereas if they just clicked the RTE twitter feed the'd see many things covered.

It's exactly the sort of nonsense anti LGBTQ people grab on to and run with endlessly to try to prove "things have gone too far" .If every idea floated by politicians was enacted , the world really would be in the ****ter.

Not true.

I gave the Stonewall example only because it was the most recent example of nonsensical policy I could think of.

There are thousands more. This stuff is endless, and makes the LGBT community look ridiculous and like a laughing stock.

The other day a train company in the UK had to change "Ladies and Gentleman, boys and girls" at the start of some announcement because apparently a non-binary person was offended and issued a complaint of discrimination.

That again, is ridiculous.

It isn't two examples. There are quite literally thousands of examples raining down on the population over the past many years.

You make light of the matter, as if it's a small thing here or there. But that's to mislead the population reading this thread.

And the spread of this self-identification ideology into schools is, as I said, a pedagogic nightmare.

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Many more dont.....

And...?

What sort of point is that.

The point is that let's not assume this is a one way argument.

If things were as "abusive" as the 1980s, you would not see so many trans people make the same claims as myself.

The problem is that the loudest voices are trying to control the debate and dictate the terms to everyone else.

Guy:Incognito · 20-06-2021 11:37am

eskimohunt wrote: »

- nobody hates trans people. We simply believe that biology and objectivity matters and that should not be sidelined in favour of self-identification and emotion.

Yes, they do. Just like many people hate gay people and plenty of other groups of people.

eskimohunt wrote: »

- this is not comparable to the 80s. Nobody is arguing that laws should exist banning the existence of trans people. Being gay is objectively true, being astralgender or agendered is a social construction.

See, again, youre having to pick tiny, tiny minority examples that most Trans people have probably never heard of , never mind anyone else and which will never affect them to try show how "things are going to far.

and you say "being gay is objectively true" but there are plenty of people that will argue its not. It doesnt make them right.

eskimohunt wrote: »

- many of us believe that none of the above should be taught to children. Teaching children that alternatives other than he/she exist is an abomination. We cannot butcher the English language based on self-identification as opposed to biological reality.

Thats your opinion. Again, just like many opinions people would have of you based on you being gay. But it wouldnt make them right and youd disagree with them because it would be opposite to your opinion.

The English language is hugely different to at various points in the past. It's constantly changing and youre really clutching at straws with that one.

Guy:Incognito · 20-06-2021 11:39am

eskimohunt wrote: »

What sort of point is that..

If "this trans person agrees with me" is a valid point why is "these ones dont" not also?

20-06-2021 11:41am

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

See, again, youre having to pick tiny, tiny minority examples that most Trans people have probably never heard of , never mind anyone else and which will never affect them to try show how "things are going to far.

Do you think children should be taught about astralgender or not?

Astralgender is a xenogender that feels connected to space, stars and the universe. Similar identities include stargender, galaxxin, and genderspace.

To me, the above is a nonsense. In my personal opinion, it's an attempt by a human being to make themselves feel special by attaching a label to their forehead. Forcing people to then apply different pronouns is merely an exercise in power control.

I simply do not believe children should be taught anything to do with this whatsoever.

It has nothing to do with sexuality and it has nothing to do with biological men stating they are women.

Annasopra · 20-06-2021 11:44am

Das Reich wrote: »

Those people are so racist against Eastern Europe. Not the first time here I saw some users talking bad about it.

Im not racist against Eastern Europe. I have Hungarian LGBT friends who are terrified of these hatemongering laws bring introduced.

listermint · 20-06-2021 11:44am

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

If "this trans person agrees with me" is a valid point why is "these ones dont" not also?

You will find he uses that 'many people' argument often with zero quantification to back up said argument.

Additionally seems to back laws that would target them specifically in school setting growing up resulting in self hatred, depression and marginalisation.

I do find it difficult to get inside that mind set tbh.

LLMMLL · 20-06-2021 11:45am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Do you think children should be taught about astralgender or not?

To me, the above is a nonsense. In my personal opinion, it's an attempt by a human being to make themselves feel special by attaching a label to their forehead. Forcing people to then apply different pronouns is merely an exercise in power control.

I simply do not believe children should be taught anything to do with this whatsoever.

It has nothing to do with sexuality and it has nothing to do with biological men stating they are women.

Where is astralgender being taught?

Annasopra · 20-06-2021 11:46am

Mic 1972 wrote: »

Hungary is aware of how far things have gone in other countries, they are drawing a line to prevent things from getting out of hand.
I'm expecting other European countries to adopt a similar approach in the next few years.
A good way to avoid countries form become extremely anti-LGBT would be for LGBT to have a more tolerant approach towards non-LGBT

Nah. LGBT people should never be tolerant of hatred and and persecution of LGBT people.

20-06-2021 11:47am

listermint wrote: »

You will find he uses that 'many people' argument often with zero quantification to back up said argument.

Additionally seems to back laws that would target them specifically in school setting growing up resulting in self hatred, depression and marginalisation.

I do find it difficult to get inside that mind set tbh.

Blaire White is a YouTuber who focusses on trans issues.

She is a trans woman herself, and has amassed almost 1 million subscribers.

Rose of Dawn is also another trans woman, who has amassed 50,000 subscribers - not as high, but certainly not insignificant. Again her channel focusses on trans issues.

Both of these trans women, with over 1 million followers, agree with me.

That, indeed, is many people.

And that's just two prominent examples. There are many more.

Annasopra · 20-06-2021 11:48am

Mic 1972 wrote: »

Your comment is racist against Polish and other Eastern cultures

No. Highlighting that the Polish government are trying to mysogynystically push anti womens rights agendas is not racist.

20-06-2021 11:51am

LLMMLL wrote: »

Where is astralgender being taught?

Please do not dodge my question with a question.

eskimohunt wrote: »

Do you think children should be taught about astralgender or not?

To me, the above is a nonsense. In my personal opinion, it's an attempt by a human being to make themselves feel special by attaching a label to their forehead. Forcing people to then apply different pronouns is merely an exercise in power control.

Astralgender is a xenogender that feels connected to space, stars and the universe. Similar identities include stargender, galaxxin, and genderspace.

Neutrois is a non-binary gender identity which is often associated with a "neutral" or "null" gender.

School is hard enough for children. For God's sake, leave them alone and not have to be exposed to this ideological nonsense that has nothing whatsoever to do with sexuality or transmen/women.

This. has. gone. too. far.

The J Stands for Jay · 20-06-2021 11:52am

Mic 1972 wrote: »

Hungary is aware of how far things have gone in other countries, they are drawing a line to prevent things from getting out of hand.
I'm expecting other European countries to adopt a similar approach in the next few years.
A good way to avoid countries form become extremely anti-LGBT would be for LGBT to have a more tolerant approach towards non-LGBT

Could you give a few examples of things that are out of hand in other countries?

Mic 1972 · 20-06-2021 11:52am

bb1234567 wrote: »

No it isn't mic. Watch me get a ban or warning like you did for my racist behaviour like you did. Probably just more pro LGBT nonsense protecting me if I don't get the ban . And if we're scrutinising posts in such a pc way then it's pretty shocking to see you claim your opinion is not prejudicial when you believe the aggressive government treatment of all LGBT persons and related issue is appropriate response based on some irrelevant comments made by select members of the community on another continent

Making generalizations about the Eastern culture is a form of racism, it doesn't matter whether you are or aren't going to get banned for saying it.

Plenty of Polish and eastern people are proud of their culture and feel strong about it.

Annasopra · 20-06-2021 11:52am

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Nothing has "gone too far" in other countries other people that dont like LGBTQ people trying to whip up anti LGBTQ sentiment by claiming things are "gone too far".
Im willing to bet 99.99% of non LGBTQ people have not be affected in any way in their daily lives by anything brought in to make things more inclusive.

The people I've come across that moan about these things will turn out to be people who listen to the likes of Jordan Peterson telling them that as straight white men they are under attack from women and LGBTQ people. Its an industry getting rich off telling the majority they are being oppressed.

People thinking they are being so original with with their anti trans stuff dont even realise they are a literal copy of the anti gay stuff from the 80's. Most of it is the exact same arguements just being reused. Unfortunately, like every section of society, there are members of the LGB community buying in to it too, not even realising that they would have had the same things said about them in the past.

Some countries are just running a few decades behind in hating different groups. Just like everyone else, theyll eventually move on to the next group to hate. If theres one thing religious groups love to do, its finding people to hate.

Yes completely. The toilets arguments and The prison arguments were pretty much 1980s homophobia. And we have Self ID here in Ireland now 6 years and there are pretty much no issues. No toilet attacks. No prison attacks. The trans women in Prisons are not an issue either because they have been segregated. All of the screaming and shouting against trans rights is rehashed homophobia and we have proved here in Ireland its pretty much hysterical nonsense.

The J Stands for Jay · 20-06-2021 11:53am

Mic 1972 wrote: »

I'm referring to this

"Stonewall recently came out and argued that the terms "boys" and "girls" should be dropped in schools. Instead, the word "learner" is recommended."

The general opinion is that the terms boys and girls should not be dropped, LGBT is pushing for something that is only going to make them even more unpopular

'Boys and girls' is a bit weird. Are you allowing them to be called 'children'?

LLMMLL · 20-06-2021 11:56am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Please do not dodge my question with a question.

What question?

You seem very concerned about the teaching of sexual issues because of this astralgender stuff which nobody has ever proposed be taught. In fact you are the only one who has ever mentioned it in this site.

Should we stop teaching geography because some people might claim the earth is shaped like a cube?

You can pull any old nonsense out of your hat and try and muddy the waters with it. Nobody is going to fall for it so not sure why you’re bothering.

Mic 1972 · 20-06-2021 11:56am

McGaggs wrote: »

Could you give a few examples of things that are out of hand in other countries?

The US is pushing for the elimination of masculine and feminine words such as Mother/Father, Son/Daughter and so on.
If i'm not mistaken this has already been implemented inside the congress.

This is the stuff that puts people off

I expect more European countries to react against LGBT

Mic 1972 · 20-06-2021 11:57am

McGaggs wrote: »

'Boys and girls' is a bit weird

It isn't.

It's perfeclty correct English language

The J Stands for Jay · 20-06-2021 11:59am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

- many of us believe that none of the above should be taught to children. Teaching children that alternatives other than he/she exist is an abomination. We cannot butcher the English language based on self-identification as opposed to biological reality.

https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/definition/english/they

What about children born with both male and female sex organs?

bb1234567 · 20-06-2021 11:59am

Das Reich wrote: »

Those people are so racist against Eastern Europe. Not the first time here I saw some users talking bad about it.

Do you think it's unfair that some people stereotype some nationalities as intolerant now because of the actions of some in government there? True I can imagine it feels unfair to those people who oppose the laws. But it's interesting to see your empathetic considerate side come out only now in support of eastern Europeans. You don't also find it unfair to see posters on here supporting punishment and alienation of all LGBT people allegedly due to some irrelevant comments made by a specific select few members of the lgbt community?
Wow, seems majorly hypocritical !

Ten of Swords · 20-06-2021 12:00pm

Mic 1972 do not post in this thread again. You have continued to troll the thread despite the cards issued

km991148 · 20-06-2021 12:05pm

Mic 1972 wrote: »

Hungary is aware of how far things have gone in other countries, they are drawing a line to prevent things from getting out of hand.

You are mixing a lot of things together here. The Hungarian government has been doing more and more to curtail the rights of many people. The government are self serving and rule by fear. This is one of their many tactics.

bb1234567 · 20-06-2021 12:35pm

Mic 1972 wrote: »

Making generalizations about the Eastern culture is a form of racism, it doesn't matter whether you are or aren't going to get banned for saying it.

Plenty of Polish and eastern people are proud of their culture and feel strong about it.

It does matter, because what I said about eastern cultures didn't cross a line, what you said about lgbt people did, hence your ban. Good riddance

Also the fact you just generalised eastern european people at the end of your comment after saying it's racist to do so , **** me

Dyr · 20-06-2021 12:48pm

km991148 wrote: »

You are mixing a lot of things together here. The Hungarian government has been doing more and more to curtail the rights of many people. The government are self serving and rule by fear. This is one of their many tactics.

Ole Vic has won three elections on the trot with outright majorities while ruling by fear. That's impressive.

Annasopra · 20-06-2021 12:50pm

Bambi wrote: »

Ole Vic has won three elections on the trot with outright majorities while ruling by fear. That's impressive.

Impressive at elections but in the end it wont work well. Its not just LGBT people targeted with their hatred.

Guy:Incognito · 20-06-2021 12:52pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Do you think children should be taught about astralgender or not?

.

Do you actually think they will be actively taught about astralgender (I've never heard of this and again, bet most haven't, including teachers)
You're picking tiny , tiny cases of something to try prove a point.

They don't learn about the minute details of any of the subjects they already learn.

You're being disingenuous with this because you know full well they won't be sitting down with a teacher going in depth about every tiny aspect of gender studies or anything even close. They'll get a very broad outline of sex education as they already do and an acknowledgement that some people self identify in different ways.

If a kid brings it up themselves then it means they have heard about it independently and are thinking about it themselves so a teacher is not going to have any more info for them other than to most likely repeat that "other people self identify as different things and that's ok"

Guy:Incognito · 20-06-2021 12:56pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

School is hard enough for children. For God's sake,

Exactly. So pretending what they are (whatever section of lgbtq that happens to be) is wrong or doesn't exist is making it worse. Letting straight kids continue to think there's something wrong with the lgbtq kids and bully them is making things worse.

Guy:Incognito · 20-06-2021 12:58pm

Mic 1972 wrote: »

Plenty of Polish and eastern people are proud of their culture and feel strong about it.

Calling hating other people a "culture" doesn't make it right.

Dyr · 20-06-2021 1:14pm

Annasopra wrote: »

Impressive at elections but in the end it wont work well. Its not just LGBT people targeted with their hatred.

Hatred. Grrr. Angry Hungarians

When you look at the place Western Europe wound up, with kids being fed puberty blockers and women being told that the definition of "woman" is now "human" Hungarians are probably thinking "nip this in the bud".

They've probably thrown the baby out with the bathwater but time will tell.

Hungary passes new homophobic laws

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