Hungary passes new homophobic laws

JupiterKid

It is pretty well known that Western Europe is light years ahead of most countries in Central and Eastern Europe in terms of minority and LGBT rights and equality, but in recent years a number of countries in the former Soviet bloc have been regressing, with growing homophobia - much of it emanating from far right-wing governments looking for a minority group or groups to scapegoat for their own political failings.

In recent years Russia and Poland have turned increasingly anti-gay with some high profile cases in the media of “gay free zones” in Poland and a version of the notorious 1980s UK Section 28 being enacted in Russia under the despotic Putin regime.

Hungary is, sadly, another former Eastern bloc country that has been lurching to the far right in recent years, with the hard right-wing leader, Viktor Orban, scapegoating immigrants, racial minorities and refugees for much of the country’s ills with racism, discrimination and racist and xenophobic attacks on minorities increasing.

Now it’s the turn of the LGBT community to be in the firing line. The Orban government in Hungary have passed a new law very similar to Russia’s (Orban and Putin are very close politically) banning any “promotion” or even mention of LGBT in schools or to anyone under the age of 18. It is extremely worrying to see such social regression in a country that was once hailed as the most socially progressive of the former communist states. Hungary is a really beautiful country that I’ve visited a number of times and it is so sad to see such growing intolerance and hated there. :mad::mad:

Link to article here:
https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2021/06/15/hungary-anti-lgbt-homophobia-propaganda-law-ban-fidesz-viktor-orban-section-28/

Is this new anti-LGBT law the thin edge of the wedge?

Mic 1972

In all fairness, LGBT shot itself in the foot over the last few years with its gender theory indoctrination. Governments pushing back against LGBT teaching in schools isn't regressing or hateful against gay people.

JCX BXC

I wouldn't consider this homophobic as such, there's lots that I myself don't agree with indoctrinating children with. There's a happy medium between education and social theories to be found here.

Tyrone212

JCX BXC wrote: »

I wouldn't consider this homophobic as such, there's lots that I myself don't agree with indoctrinating children with. There's a happy medium between education and social theories to be found here.

So you can indoctrinat people to be gay? Interesting. If that's the case then everyone would be straight.

Mic 1972

Tyrone212 wrote: »

So you can indoctrinat people to be gay? Interesting. If that's the case then everyone would be straight.

Teaching 5 year kids about gender theory makes a lot of people uncomfortable. I think it's refreshing that some countries are still concerned about the opinion of the majority as opposite to the noise coming from a loud vocal minority.

Tyrone212

Mic 1972 wrote: »

Teaching 5 year kids about gender theory makes a lot of people uncomfortable. I think it's refreshing that some countries are still concerned about the opinion of the majority as opposite to the noise coming from a loud vocal minority.

Ah the usual shiite about loud minority bla bla. I'm not even on about the transgender aspect. If they were worried about that they could have banned talk about that exclusively.

They've banned even mentioning the word gay to under 18s which is ridiculous. 15 16 17 year old will all be aware about people being gay or not. Shielding them from that is just overkill and ridiculous. He also included paedophilia along with the bill so its quite clear what angle they're going with. Just be honest about it.

bb1234567

Theboinkmaster wrote: »

Don’t see much wrong with this - things have gone too far now with this 100+ gender nonsense.

I’m all for live and let live - but some countries (like Canada I think) making laws forcing people to address others by their chosen pronoun is going too far.

I’ll respect you and let you do your thing but don’t force me to call you something that I don’t believe you are.

The community has gone too far and shot itself in the foot big time and legislation like this is part of the expected backlash.

You must be trolling. FFS. You think you're 'respecting' somebody by deliberately not addressing them how they wish to be addressed because of what YOU have the audacity to believe they are. It's literally the height of disrespect.

As for 100+ gender nonsense, whatever, it may be nonsense, but the solutiion is certainly not pretending gender dysphoria doesn't exist and that children shouldn't ever even hear of it's existence. It's nothing at all to do with backlash, if 'the community went too far' then that backlash would be in places like Ireland and Canada, because that's where this 'nonsense' is given any oxygen. Not Hungary, or Russia, the backlash you speak of is not backlash but simply plain old undeserved hatred and intolerance now given legitimacy and a platform. Stop protecting it, it's not a good look, and it most certainly will not lead to improved social outcomes or higher quality of life, for anybody.

Anyway this thread is truly depressing already. I cannot believe we had people on hear defending and explaining away the awful social regression occurring in Eastern Europe with regards gay rights , just repulsive behaviour.

Mic 1972

Theboinkmaster wrote: »

Don’t see much wrong with this - things have gone too far now with this 100+ gender nonsense.

I’m all for live and let live - but some countries (like Canada I think) making laws forcing people to address others by their chosen pronoun is going too far.

I’ll respect you and let you do your thing but don’t force me to call you something that I don’t believe you are.

The community has gone too far and shot itself in the foot big time and legislation like this is part of the expected backlash.

Completely agree. Drawing a line now to prevent things from spiraling into nonsense.

bb1234567

Mic 1972 wrote: »

Completely agree. Drawing a line now to prevent things from spiraling into nonsense.

Wow and a fairly hard line it is! Like being back in the 70's and 80's, where the hard line tried to have school children believe gay people didn't even exist, leading to countless hundreds of thousands of gay children growing up confused, self hating, mis understood and victimised and alienated well into their adult life. I'm sure this line you love will do so much good for the gay people of Hungary and Russia etc, as well as the straight! What a wonderful day for humanity.

Annasopra

Mic 1972 wrote: »

In all fairness, LGBT shot itself in the foot over the last few years with its gender theory indoctrination. Governments pushing back against LGBT teaching in schools isn't regressing or hateful against gay people.

Of course its hateful FFS. Denying lgbt people exist. Shaming them. Punishing anyone who says any different. Sorry no this is very clearly all about homophobic and transphobic hate

Annasopra

JCX BXC wrote: »

I wouldn't consider this homophobic as such, there's lots that I myself don't agree with indoctrinating children with. There's a happy medium between education and social theories to be found here.

I'm not racist but..... insert racist statement.....

This crap about "indoctrinating" children is homophobic.

eviltwin

Drawing a line…..give over, it’s a completely retrograde step that will cause harm to countless young people, the very people the supporters of this claim to want to protect. Is mental health only an issue when it’s straight kids? It makes no difference to anyone how a teen in Hungary or anywhere else chooses to identity themselves. Typically the straight men of boards are happy to roll behind this kind of crap.

Geuze

JupiterKid wrote: »

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Now it’s the turn of the LGBT community to be in the firing line. The Orban government in Hungary have passed a new law very similar to Russia’s (Orban and Putin are very close politically) banning any “promotion” or even mention of LGBT in schools or to anyone under the age of 18.

Where would it be mentioned in an Irish classroom?

In what subject?

CSPE?

SPHE?

I don't think this law is a good idea.

Ten of Swords

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Read the forum charter

Theboinkmaster

bubblypop wrote: »

I don't even understand this? Why would it matter at all what you think I am?
I decide what I am, why would you?
Do you allow other people to tell you who you are?

I don’t mind what you think you are - as I said live and let live.

But things have gone too far to the detriment of women’s rights IMO, and other marginalised parts of society such as gay people.

I can’t just decide in the morning I’m a cow and insist you address me and treat me as a cow can I? It’s gone too far.

If a man transitions to a woman I don’t think they have same entitlements as women - such as using female toilets or competing in female sports. I still think you’re a man sorry. You may dress like a woman etc and I’ve absolutely no issue with that.

I believe there are 2 genders. Nobody is going to force me to think otherwise but if you believe something else that’s fine you crack on but don’t try to ram it down my throat. Live your life im not stopping you by thinking you are one of 2 genders that I believe.

Off topic - threadbanned

First and foremost, we must acknowledge the divisions within the LGBT community regarding what should/should not be taught to children.

The word "promotion" is a curious one. My own view, as a member of the LGBT community myself, is that children should not be taught anything related to sex or gender. If anything, only the bare minimum. Discussion of sexuality and identity can be left until adolescence, when children emerge to become adults and have some sense of what sexuality is and what identity may mean.

The recent emergence of self-identification is problematic for me. I don't believe in self-identification on any level whatsoever. For me, labels are superfluous; I'm interested in people. The more labels, the greater probability of division - and I'm against division based on sex or gender insofar as it is possible. In many respects, it makes no sense whatsoever - subjectively or objectively. If it is difficult for adults, goodness knows the confusion it may cause to children. Even if it caused no harm whatsoever, there is no pedagogic reason to include it. It's surplus to requirements as far as education is concerned. The same is true of transgenderism itself.

Similarly, we must respect the fact that different people believe different things. Many people in the Christian and Muslim communities, for instance, are against same sex marriage on tradition and religious grounds. I do not share their view, but I do understand why they - in good faith - believe what they believe. There is no "right answer" here, people believe different things. It's a fact of life. That doesn't make them bad people per se. For example, I would have no qualms having Muslim or Christian friends who believed in what they call traditional marriage. In fact, I do have Muslim friends who find even the idea of gay sex repulsive. But I understand why they do, even though I disagree with it.

So, whilst I do not agree with Hungary's legislation, I don't believe the issue is as black and white as many in the LGBT community would suggest. I, like many other gay people, are often afraid to voice our views for fear of what it appears the majority support. But often, this isn't the case. Instead, privately, many gay people agree with me - as I'm unafraid to voice my opinion on these matters. They are often relieved to find that someone agrees with them. Being LGBT is sometimes considered a uniform thought of belief. But that is to make a grave mistake. We are not a political party who must tow the line to one way of thinking. There are variations of belief, and that must be respected. Otherwise, the LGBT community - or those who speak on its behalf - can come across as a one party state, so to speak.

bb1234567

bb1234567 wrote: »

Cows don't partake within or act like anybody does within human society so of course it's not the same and not something we will accept, so have you a better or more comparable example? We have men and women in society and transition between genders isn't new territory and won't involve an individual acting in a way that excludes them from partaking in normal human behaviour, or so you'd think if we lived in a more tolerant world. So it shouldn't be all that hard for you to bend your head around that concept and provide the courtesy of acknowledging those wishes of a fellow human being. You'd think there was some big conspiracy here, you act like transgender people are all going through these torturous and long processes of change ,adaption ,self acceptance and societal acceptance just to bug you and ruin your day. Are you seriously THAT self centred ?

Stonewall recently came out and argued that the terms "boys" and "girls" should be dropped in schools. Instead, the word "learner" is recommended.

This is what many people mean by "going too far".

I agree with them. As a member of the LGBT community, this is embarrassing and retrograde.

It makes us look completely ridiculous and ideologically nuts.

bb1234567

eskimohunt wrote: »

Stonewall recently came out and argued that the terms "boys" and "girls" should be dropped in schools. Instead, the word "learner" is recommended.

This is what many people mean by "going too far".

I agree with them. As a member of the LGBT community, this is embarrassing and retrograde.

It makes us look completely ridiculous and ideologically nuts.

Interesting , maybe they did go too far. I certainly think the Hungarian government's decision goes similarly too far and in a way that will be far more socially damaging however.

bb1234567

bb1234567 wrote: »

Interesting , maybe they did go too far. I certainly think the Hungarian government's decision goes similarly too far and in a way that will be far more socially damaging however.

The number of times I've been accused of being a "self-hating gay" for believing there are only two genders is mind blowing.

That's because I don't believe that gender even exists.

I use gender in the same way that sex is used. Previously people were reticent to use the word 'sex' to describe what gender they were (male/female), so they opted for these gender terms instead.

That's what I still believe to be the case.

I do not believe you can switch gender / sex, and I certainly do not believe there are thousands of genders - including astralgender (an affinity with the stars). That, to me, is a personality description label - and has nothing whatsoever to do with LGBT.

Things have gone too far. As Douglas Murray has said, what is happening now is an "over-correction". Rights were attained and equality established. What is being pushed now is irritating a previously allied population. Nay, it irritates even me - and many other members of the LGBT community.

Nobody should be silenced into believing something they simply do not believe. That includes members of the LGBT community.

Again, I do not agree with Hungary's legislation. But I do believe that we need controls on what is being exposed to children re: self-identification etc. Children absolutely do not need to know this or learn about it.

There is nothing self-hating about any of the above. These are perfectly respectable viewpoints. It's about time we dropped the insecurity and victimhood and accepted diversity of opinion within the LGBT community.

Theboinkmaster wrote: »

So letting transgender athletes compete in their chosen gender is too far - men have a biological advantage over women in a lot of sport. Didn’t a transgender woman seriously insure a woman’s skull in women’s MMA and in America the same cohort are smashing all the someone’s athletics records in some states.

I have a young daughter - she feels safe and happy in the female toilets. If a transgender woman uses the same toilet and is say 6ft2” and 220lbs my daughter may not feel sake and secure in such an environment as many men have so idea of what it’s like for women to always feel vulnerable to men physically being able to overpower them.

Both examples are of what I believe transgender “rights” infringing on women’s rights and going too far IMO.

Please do not come to the conclusion the entire LGBT community disagrees with what you have rightly pointed out.

Many, many agree with you - including me.

In fact, many transgender women agree with you.

Theboinkmaster

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The number of times I've been accused of being a "self-hating gay" for believing there are only two genders is mind blowing.

That's because I don't believe that gender even exists.

I use gender in the same way that sex is used. Previously people were reticent to use the word 'sex' to describe what gender they were (male/female), so they opted for these gender terms instead.

That's what I still believe to be the case.

I do not believe you can switch gender / sex, and I certainly do not believe there are thousands of genders - including astralgender (an affinity with the stars). That, to me, is a personality description label - and has nothing whatsoever to do with LGBT.

Things have gone too far. As Douglas Murray has said, what is happening now is an "over-correction". Rights were attained and equality established. What is being pushed now is irritating a previously allied population. Nay, it irritates even me - and many other members of the LGBT community.

Nobody should be silenced into believing something they simply do not believe. That includes members of the LGBT community.

Again, I do not agree with Hungary's legislation. But I do believe that we need controls on what is being exposed to children re: self-identification etc. Children absolutely do not need to know this or learn about it.

There is nothing self-hating about any of the above. These are perfectly respectable viewpoints. It's about time we dropped the insecurity and victimhood and accepted diversity of opinion within the LGBT community.

I agree and btw just in case it’s misinterpreted - I 100% believe in gay marriage.

Sometimes folk who believe there are 2 genders are thrown into the same category as racist misogynistic homophobic ignorant people.

eviltwin

eviltwin wrote: »

So on that basis do you support this move from Hungary?

You can be opposed to the Hungary Bill but still support legislation in principle that limits what is taught to children re: LGBT (and even Straight-stuff).

Again, I re-emphasize that I am a member of the LGBT community myself. This isn't some straight crank talking.

Guy:Incognito

eskimohunt wrote: »

The word "promotion" is a curious one. My own view, as a member of the LGBT community myself, is that children should not be taught anything related to sex or gender. If anything, only the bare minimum. Discussion of sexuality and identity can be left until adolescence, when children emerge to become adults and have some sense of what sexuality is and what identity may mean.

Pretending sex doesnt exist doesnt do anyone any favours. Sex education is an important part of education. It helps reduce teen pregnancy if nothing else. It absolutely shouldnt be just straight sex education. Kids are not idiots and shouldnt be treated like they are idiots. ignorance of issues only causes problems.

I remember having at least some sort of sex education in primary school in the late 80's ealry 90's (i finished primary in 92 so it was obviously before that)

Guy:Incognito

tom1ie wrote: »

So what pronouns are used instead of Mr Mrs him her?
Genuine question.

I dont know. It genuinly has never come up in my day to day life and has no effect on me. Much like most people that rail against it I'd imagine........

If someone emails me and its signed off as whatever they use as their preferred pronoun, I'd reply with that, I wouldnt be a prick about it and start insisting they be Mr or Ms. No one is freaking out about a mistake either, the only time itll be an issue is when someone knows full well how someone wants to be addressed but tries to get at them by repeatedly calling them something else. Just like if youre name is Thomas and hate to be called Tom but some arsehole in the office keeps sneering and calling you Tom deliberately after youve asked them not to.

listermint

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Pretending sex doesnt exist doesnt do anyone any favours. Sex education is an important part of education. It helps reduce teen pregnancy if nothing else. It absolutely shouldnt be just straight sex education. Kids are not idiots and shouldnt be treated like they are idiots. ignorance of issues only causes problems.

I remember having at least some sort of sex education in primary school in the late 80's ealry 90's (i finished primary in 92 so it was obviously before that)

I had it in primary school too. Well what scant stuff they covered. But the notion it shouldn't be discussed at all is well ridiculous. I can't take anyone seriously that makes such statements . Absolute madness. If people think children aren't learning things from 4th class onwards then they have blocked out their own childhood.

listermint

listermint wrote: »

I had it in primary school too. Well what scant stuff they covered. But the notion it shouldn't be discussed at all is well ridiculous. I can't take anyone seriously that makes such statements . Absolute madness. If people think children aren't learning things from 4th class onwards then they have blocked out their own childhood.

Nobody suggested sex education should be banned. Not even me.

But do you believe 5-year olds should be taught about self-identification, astralgenderism, and thousands of other gender identifications?

tom1ie

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

I dont know. It genuinly has never come up in my day to day life and has no effect on me. Much like most people that rail against it I'd imagine........

If someone emails me and its signed off as whatever they use as their preferred pronoun, I'd reply with that, I wouldnt be a prick about it and start insisting they be Mr or Ms. No one is freaking out about a mistake either, the only time itll be an issue is when someone knows full well how someone wants to be addressed but tries to get at them by repeatedly calling them something else. Just like if youre name is Thomas and hate to be called Tom but some arsehole in the office keeps sneering and calling you Tom deliberately after youve asked them not to.

Yeah that'd be pretty ****ty alright.
I heard demi Lovato wants to be know as they or something like that. Now that really doesn't annoy me or bother me but I don't see how it makes sense either tbh?

listermint

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Where did I make the claim "to be more left than the leftist left politically"?

Must apologize. Confused you with another poster. I retract the left statement .

eviltwin

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Nobody suggested sex education should be banned. Not even me.

But do you believe 5-year olds should be taught about self-identification, astralgenderism, and thousands of other gender identifications?

Who says they are going to be? How about teaching kids that people identify as different things and should be respected?

Ten of Swords

Theboinkmaster wrote: »

I don’t mind what you think you are - as I said live and let live.

But things have gone too far to the detriment of women’s rights IMO, and other marginalised parts of society such as gay people.

I can’t just decide in the morning I’m a cow and insist you address me and treat me as a cow can I? It’s gone too far.

If a man transitions to a woman I don’t think they have same entitlements as women - such as using female toilets or competing in female sports. I still think you’re a man sorry. You may dress like a woman etc and I’ve absolutely no issue with that.

I believe there are 2 genders. Nobody is going to force me to think otherwise but if you believe something else that’s fine you crack on but don’t try to ram it down my throat. Live your life im not stopping you by thinking you are one of 2 genders that I believe.

This is not on topic at all, nowhere does this address or remotely discuss the new laws in Hungary - this is simply soapboxing your opinion on gender identity

Do not post in this thread again

Guy:Incognito

eskimohunt wrote: »

Nobody suggested sex education should be banned. Not even me.

But do you believe 5-year olds should be taught about self-identification, astralgenderism, and thousands of other gender identifications?

How would sex education work without any discussion of sex ?

eskimohunt wrote: »

The word "promotion" is a curious one. My own view, as a member of the LGBT community myself, is that children should not be taught anything related to sex or gender. If anything, only the bare minimum. .

My 10 year old has had various questions over the last couple of years when he sees things on TV or hears them and asks about gay people or different types of relationships. Ive answered and been open with my answers. He just shrugs and says "ok" and gets on with his day. Kids are curious, pretending certain things dont exist isnt helpful

eviltwin

eviltwin wrote: »

Who says they are going to be? How about teaching kids that people identify as different things and should be respected?

What pedagogic reason would that serve?

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

How would sex education work without any discussion of sex ?

That's the point I was making. Only the bare minimum should be taught. No more, no less.

listermint

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Nobody suggested sex education should be banned. Not even me.

But do you believe 5-year olds should be taught about self-identification, astralgenderism, and thousands of other gender identifications?

I think 5 year olds should be thought respect for others. And not to be disrespectful to others not look down on others. I have young children that will be entering school and they will be thought to treat others with the same respect they would expect back .

If teaching them that there are people out there different or the same as them means gender studies then so be it. I'd rather my children live a happy long life than a suicidal depressed existence where they thing they are wrong and broken.

Anyone who things someone's sexual identity can be thought by a primary school lesson is a moron.

bb1234567

eskimohunt wrote: »

Nobody suggested sex education should be banned. Not even me.

But do you believe 5-year olds should be taught about self-identification, astralgenderism, and thousands of other gender identifications?

Who's talking about 5 year olds?Directing the discussion specifically around people that young is a strawman. The Hungarian law concerns all pupils under 18, many of whom will be going through puberty and many of whom will now be cruelly deprived of the valuable information needed at a crucial juncture in their development.

I don't know much about how children as young as 5 would react to teachings on gender, or whatever, but I don't think knee jerk reactions to the proposition are the way to go about it either. If that understanding is shown to improve or help social and psycoholical development of children that young, then yeh it could be taught in schools. I'd like to read into it more myself, I'm sure many of the people spouting strong negative opinions on it aren't all too read up on the specifics of it.

listermint

bb1234567 wrote: »

Who's talking about 5 year olds?Directing the discussion specifically around people that young is a strawman. The Hungarian law concerns all pupils under 18, many of whom will be going through puberty and many of whom will now be cruelly deprived of the valuable information needed at a crucial juncture in their development.

Strawman arguments and hyperbole are what you'll find some folks can only rely on when basic sensible discussion is warranted.

bb1234567

bb1234567 wrote: »

Who's talking about 5 year olds?Directing the discussion specifically around people that young is a strawman. The Hungarian law concerns all pupils under 18, many of whom will be going through puberty and many of whom will now be cruelly deprived of the valuable information needed at a crucial juncture in their development.

That's the debate though.

Many people argue that it should be as young as 5-years, or younger.

Others argue it should be 12-years or so, secondary school level.

listermint

[Deleted User] wrote: »

That's the debate though.

Many people argue that it should be as young as 5-years, or younger.

Others argue it should be 12-years or so, secondary school level.

Many people who? Is this enda Kenny met folks in the pub that told him stuff or is it the casual trump stuff where he fabricates what 'people' have said to him. Good people great people...

Let's just deal with the facts here and the law as it's written . Under 18. The end.

Ten of Swords

It's fairly clear that people either haven't read the specifics of the law, understand the content and consequences or even how the Fidesz government passed the legislation

This item about not promoting LGBT content to under 18s was tagged onto a child protection bill which legislates much harsher penalties for those convicted of child sex offenses and also legislates a searchable register for sex offenders. As a result of this, the law conflates LGBT with such offenses and also ensures that parliament won't vote against it as it could be spun that they were voting against the establishment of a searchable sex offender register etc. A very underhanded tactic to pass their legislation. It passed 157-1

Some of the practicalities of the legislation with regards to LGBT people are;

The Hungarian legislation outlaws sharing information with under-18s that the government considers to be promoting homosexuality or gender change.

“There are contents which children under a certain age can misunderstand and which may have a detrimental effect on their development at the given age, or which children simply cannot process, and which could therefore confuse their developing moral values or their image of themselves or the world,” said a Hungarian government spokesperson.

The law also means only individuals and organisations listed in an official register can carry out sex education classes in schools, a measure targeting “organisations with dubious professional background … often established for the representation of specific sexual orientations”, the government spokesperson said.

Companies and large organisations will also be banned from running adverts in solidarity with gay people, if they are deemed to target under-18s. In 2019, a Coca-Cola ad campaign featuring smiling gay couples and anti-discrimination slogans prompted some prominent Fidesz members to call for a boycott of the company’s products.

The law means that TV shows and films featuring gay characters, or even a rainbow flag, would be permitted only after the watershed, say campaigners who have studied the legislation.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jun/15/hungary-passes-law-banning-lbgt-content-in-schools

bb1234567

Ten of Swords wrote: »

It's fairly clear that people either haven't read the specifics of the law, understand the content and consequences or even how the Fidesz government passed the legislation

This item about not promoting LGBT content to under 18s was tagged onto a child protection bill which legislates much harsher penalties for those convicted of child sex offenses and also legislates a searchable register for sex offenders. As a result of this, the law conflates LGBT with such offenses and also ensures that parliament won't vote against it as it could be spun that they were voting against the establishment of a searchable sex offender register etc. A very underhanded tactic to pass their legislation. It passed 157-1

Some of the practicalities of the legislation with regards to LGBT people are;



https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jun/15/hungary-passes-law-banning-lbgt-content-in-schools

Even reading that you'll have the same characters defending it. Is anyone naive enough to believe this is about welfare of children's health, seriously? If they are I honestly feel bad for them. They probably think it's well rounded principled individudals making the laws too, with the public's best interests at heart, just a little conservative and traditional minded is all, totally innocuous! Hopefully they don't find themselves within a minority group that has discriminatory laws proposed against them soon after in the name of the betterment and protection of of wider societal values..

Theboinkmaster

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Mic 1972

Mic 1972 wrote: »

In all fairness, LGBT shot itself in the foot over the last few years with its gender theory indoctrination. Governments pushing back against LGBT teaching in schools isn't regressing or hateful against gay people.

How is this post considered uncivil or needlessly aggressive or confrontational?
I think that LGBT could benefit from being more open to feedback, instead of locking out anybody who thinks differently

Mic 1972

eskimohunt wrote: »

Stonewall recently came out and argued that the terms "boys" and "girls" should be dropped in schools. Instead, the word "learner" is recommended.

This is what many people mean by "going too far".

I agree with them. As a member of the LGBT community, this is embarrassing and retrograde.

It makes us look completely ridiculous and ideologically nuts.

Thank you. That's exactly what i mean with LGBT shooting itself in the foot.

bb1234567

Mic 1972 wrote: »

Thank you. That's exactly what i mean with LGBT shooting itself in the foot.

So because some idiots in stonewall proposed something silly , a fitting penalisation is that LGBT children in a completely different continent suffer increased alienation and deprived of access to important information about their sexual health while growing up? In what world is that right or just , and an appropriate response to a select few members of the lgbt community going overboard? All the 'community' suffers for it including countless innocent LGBT children who had no hand in the issues you speak of, and you're lapping it up. And what's worse is that you're so assured of your position as if there's nothing bad coming of it. Have a think about what that awful bill will mean for the welfare and societal reputation off gay people in Hungary , and this forced association with paedophilia the government has attached to homosexuality. But some head melts in New York came out with something you didn't like so you know what, those Hungarian bastards had it coming .

Suggesting that pupils in schools are referred to as learners instead of boys and girls, what is wrong with that anyway?
Don't see the big deal, we were often called students.

Mic 1972

bubblypop wrote: »

Suggesting that pupils in schools are referred to as learners instead of boys and girls, what is wrong with that anyway?
Don't see the big deal, we were often called students.

the issue is with abolishing the use of Boy and Girl, as if the terms were somehow offensive or unappropriate

Mic 1972

Mic 1972 wrote: »

the issue is with abolishing the use of Boy and Girl, as if the terms were somehow offensive or unappropriate

Noone is abolishing words, calm down.
You won't be sent to prison for calling a girl, a girl.
Advise to refer to children by the words learners or students is hardly going to cause any problems.

Mic 1972

bb1234567 wrote: »

So because some idiots in stonewall proposed something silly , a fitting penalisation is that LGBT children in a completely different continent suffer increased alienation and deprived of access to important information about their sexual health while growing up? In what world is that right or just , and an appropriate response to a select few members of the lgbt community going overboard? All the 'community' suffers for it including countless innocent LGBT children who had no hand in the issues you speak of, and you're lapping it up. And what's worse is that you're so assured of your position as if there's nothing bad coming of it. Have a think about what that awful bill will mean for the welfare and societal reputation off gay people in Hungary , and this forced association with paedophilia the government has attached to homosexuality. But some head melts in New York came out with something you didn't like so you know what, those Hungarian bastards had it coming .

Instead of blaming Hungary maybe there is a lesson to learn for LGBT.
Lots of gay and lesbians are now distancing themselves form LGBT too.

Mic 1972

bubblypop wrote: »

Noone is abolishing words, calm down.
You won't be sent to prison for calling a girl, a girl.
Advise to refer to children by the words learners or students is hardly going to cause any problems.

Advise teachers NOT to use the terms boy and girl, is the same as saying that such terms are inappropriate, which is nonsense and is the reason why people are turning their back at LGBT

Guy:Incognito

If some stupid people within the LGBT community can be used as a reason to show how laws and protections should be curtailed, I have some very bad news for those in the straight community. Lads , we've been a breeding ground for stupid and dangerous people for thousands of years now.......

Das Reich

Those people are so racist against Eastern Europe. Not the first time here I saw some users talking bad about it.

Guy:Incognito

Das Reich wrote: »

Those people are so racist against Eastern Europe. Not the first time here I saw some users talking bad about it.

Calling out peoples ****ty behaviour isnt racist.


"why cant I just hate a certain group of people without people thinking im wrong, why am I always the victim..................."

Guy:Incognito

Mic 1972 wrote: »

Advise teachers NOT to use the terms boy and girl, is the same as saying that such terms are inappropriate, which is nonsense and is the reason why people are turning their back at LGBT

Youre either deliberately trying to stir things up or swallowing divisive nonsense being spread by others. Kids in school have been referred to as pupils or students for as long as I can remember