National Broadband Ireland : implementation and progress

TheSegal · 11-06-2021 1:30pm

Mor-Riomhaire wrote: »

They have moved on further down the road now. Strange, because it looks just like the initial build work they did back in February, could it be possibly blowing fibre now?

Exact same thing that happened on my road. Said that they are back to pass all of the fiber through the ducting they laid months back, along with some new ducting put in and a few new poles aswell. They didn't do it all during the Winter with the initial works as some planning was still being done

kaizersoze · 11-06-2021 6:09pm

Mor-Riomhaire wrote: »

Outside Roscommon town, KN crew out here with a Van, and digger. Scheduled for AUG-OCT 2021 connection. Pre-order put in with local provider already. Not sure what's happening to be honest. Lots of looking into the manhole cover going on.

KN? Haven't seen them doing anything for NBI, atleast not around here. Could be Eir work?

MoodeRator wrote: »

All roads leaving Roscommon Town have the same install dates of Aug-Oct. The white cable is the actual fibre being blown now, the same is happenning on our side of town also

White 'cable' is just the sub-duct. The fiber is black.

Mor-Riomhaire · 12-06-2021 2:06pm

kaizersoze wrote: »

KN? Haven't seen them doing anything for NBI, at least not around here. Could be Eir work?

White 'cable' is just the sub-duct. The fiber is black.

The crew were wearing jackets that stated KN, working on behalf of NBI. They ran the white cable all the way down to the existing installation of the Eir FTTH. The digger was busy alright. Took them most of the day.

watty · 12-06-2021 8:33pm

TimHorton wrote: »

NBI are incompetent, Putting up welcome advertising billboards and bus shelter posters in the wrong county (30 miles from border)

Why are they wasting money on giant billboard ads ANYWHERE? Been one in this part of Limerick County for weeks and the best guess for the area is 2nd half 2022 or in fact never. Fibre is about 100m away.
But Eircom and all the resellers are selling the VDSL as Fibre (because the Exchange 1km away is fibre! Duh!) and the VDSL is only about 20% to 25% faster than the ADSL2+ was.
IMO we are 12+ years behind and the previous NBS Ryan signed off simply paid for some of Three's Mobile masts. Not a single broadband connection.
Comreg is in the pocket of Mobile and Eircom are a foreign company that has moved to the Channel Is for tax reasons.

listermint · 12-06-2021 8:35pm

NBI out pulling fibre in Arklow town today few KN network vans obo NBI.

watty · 12-06-2021 8:36pm

Jofspring wrote: »

NBI checker at this stage just seems like a complete waste of time.

Two years ago it was saying end of year or start of next. Now it's saying 2nd half of next year, maybe Jul-Dec 2022.

Hococop · 13-06-2021 11:35am

On pre order 6-7 weeks now, should we be ok at this stage or is there a chance of a delay?, looking at all the pre orders and see eir is trying to get ready so might hold out for them, I'm out the limerick side

heavydawson · 14-06-2021 9:26am

The state’s multibillion-euro National Broadband Plan has connected fewer than 650 homes and businesses to high-speed internet in its first 18 months, raising fresh concerns over its ability to service to 1.1 million people by 2027.

National Broadband Ireland (NBI), the company awarded the €2.7 billion contract to deliver the rural scheme, last week confirmed that it had made the service available to just over 4,000 premises to date, out of a target of 115,000 by the end of 2021.

The Business Post has learned that of the 4,378 homes and businesses passed so far, just 632 have been connected. This suggests an early take-up rate of about 14 per cent by those with access to broadband through the National Broadband Plan.

A spokesman for NBI said that as a wholesaler it was responsible for designing, building and operating the network but not for selling to end users.

“[We] cannot predict the level of demand that would ultimately lead to connections on the network,” a spokesman said.

A spokesman for the Department of Communications said almost 19,000 premises across Cavan; Carrigaline, Co Cork; Limerick and Galway could order or pre-order broadband through the National Broadband Plan which is intended to provide high-speed broadband to 544,000 premises and 1.1 million people, largely in rural areas.

“NBI expects to pass 7,000-10,000 premises per month by the end of the year, at which stage connections will significantly ramp up across all counties. Connections to the network are demand-driven by households and businesses,” he said.

The news that 0.11 per cent of premises covered by the National Broadband Plan have been connected is likely to heap further pressure on the government and NBI over the pace of progress as people struggle with poor broadband connections across much of the country.

NBI’s 1,000 contractors were allowed to continue work during the Covid-19 restrictions this year but the government has said the pandemic caused a delay in recruiting and training workers. The company slashed its full-year target to between 50,000 and 60,000 premises passed on the back of the significant delays.

Last week it turned to GE Digital, a subsidiary of the US multinational conglomerate, to help “model, manage, and streamline” the rollout.

The small number of homes connected to the network, coupled with delays in passing premises, is also set to raise further questions about the feasibility of cutting the rollout timeline from seven years to five, as the government and NBI are seeking to do.

Both parties are locked in discussions in a bid to expedite the connection of premises currently scheduled for link-up in years six and seven.

Eamon Ryan, the communications minister, and Ossian Smyth, the department’s junior minister, have both said a “new contract” is being worked on but both their department and NBI have confirmed that the intention is to alter the existing contract signed in 2019 rather than to agree a new one.

“Any acceleration to the build programme will require modifications to the main contract signed in 2019. While the main build partners will not change, NBI are exploring all options available in the market to help expedite the build.

“Exploring the potential to accelerate the network rollout is being undertaken in parallel with the measures required to mitigate delays arising as a result of Covid-19. It is premature at this stage to speculate what the outcome of these discussions may be,” a department spokesman said.

Neither NBI nor the Department of Communications expects an acceleration of the plan to result in an additional subsidy above the €2.7 billion cost of the plan being paid by the state.

https://www.businesspost.ie/infrastructure/national-broadband-rollout-connects-just-632-premises-to-date-3afc6d69

This suggests an early take-up rate of about 14 per cent by those with access to broadband through the National Broadband Plan.

joe123 · 14-06-2021 10:24am

14% uptake seems low.

Wonder is that impacted by them rolling out in areas that already have speeds of 90Mb like some reports suggested.

Did they announce what they expcted uptake to be? I know my estate here of 100+ houses, uptake would be almost 100%, everyone is going mad over the **** broadband :pac:

celtic_oz · 14-06-2021 10:59am

National Broadband Plan has connected fewer than 650 homes and businesses to high-speed internet in its first 18 months

My God, what a joke

ACitizenErased · 14-06-2021 11:19am

If I didn't follow this thread and do my own research I'd have known nothing, absolutely nothing, about the rollout. What other sort of uptake did they expect with little to no marketing?

heavydawson · 14-06-2021 3:33pm

joe123 wrote: »

14% uptake seems low.

Wonder is that impacted by them rolling out in areas that already have speeds of 90Mb like some reports suggested.

Did they announce what they expcted uptake to be? I know my estate here of 100+ houses, uptake would be almost 100%, everyone is going mad over the **** broadband :pac:

You have to factor in the make-up of the population in the countryside. How many of those houses passed are people that:
1. Never had a need for internet (and still dont)
2. Already have sufficient bandwidth for their current needs
3. Are currently tied to an existing contract
4. Are simply afraid of change

The members of boards are _generally_ tech savvy in the first place, and it will seem obvious to any of us that NBI is a no-brainer if our premises was passed. However, that doesn't hold for many people.

I think it'll be a combination of:
1. Early adopters singing its praises (hopefully) by word of mouth in their local communities
2. The bigger non-ISP-exclusive resellers up-selling their packages come renewal time to bundle fibre (think Vodafone/Sky/Three ,etc.). Basically triple (or quadruple, whatever)-play packages that now include NBI. In other words you'll connect to NBI as part of a bigger package.

Remember it's not up to NBI to sell their infrastructure to the end user. It's up to the likes of Sky, Vodafone, etc to do the selling of their services!
NBI have been active on local newspapers/radios, and this makes sense, as they're trying to raise awareness of the project in areas where end users will see work happening.

I've seen nothing from any of the ISPs in my letterbox about forthcoming NBI go-lives in my areas (and it's due Aug-Oct). I'd hope to start seeing something around July/August about pre-orders, but they may simply wait until the network is live.

dam099 · 14-06-2021 4:25pm

heavydawson wrote: »

You have to factor in the make-up of the population in the countryside. How many of those houses passed are people that:
1. Never had a need for internet (and still dont)
2. Already have sufficient bandwidth for their current needs
3. Are currently tied to an existing contract
4. Are simply afraid of change

The members of boards are _generally_ tech savvy in the first place, and it will seem obvious to any of us that NBI is a no-brainer if our premises was passed. However, that doesn't hold for many people.

I think it'll be a combination of:
1. Early adopters singing its praises (hopefully) by word of mouth in their local communities
2. The bigger non-ISP-exclusive resellers up-selling their packages come renewal time to bundle fibre (think Vodafone/Sky/Three ,etc.). Basically triple (or quadruple, whatever)-play packages that now include NBI. In other words you'll connect to NBI as part of a bigger package.

Remember it's not up to NBI to sell their infrastructure to the end user. It's up to the likes of Sky, Vodafone, etc to do the selling of their services!
NBI have been active on local newspapers/radios, and this makes sense, as they're trying to raise awareness of the project in areas where end users will see work happening.

I've seen nothing from any of the ISPs in my letterbox about forthcoming NBI go-lives in my areas (and it's due Aug-Oct). I'd hope to start seeing something around July/August about pre-orders, but they may simply wait until the network is live.

Plus sounds like there is active disinformation from some WISPs. Anecdotal I know but one poster earlier in this thread was saying a salesman claimed Wireless was superior as speeds were constrained when using wires.

There are lots of people out there who have little knowledge about the different technologies being used to deliver broadband/midband and their relative strengths and weaknesses who would buy that bullsh$t or just have no inkling of how much superior FTTH probably is versus their current service.

joe123 · 14-06-2021 4:59pm

heavydawson wrote: »

You have to factor in the make-up of the population in the countryside. How many of those houses passed are people that:
1. Never had a need for internet (and still dont)
2. Already have sufficient bandwidth for their current needs
3. Are currently tied to an existing contract
4. Are simply afraid of change

The members of boards are _generally_ tech savvy in the first place, and it will seem obvious to any of us that NBI is a no-brainer if our premises was passed. However, that doesn't hold for many people.

I think it'll be a combination of:
1. Early adopters singing its praises (hopefully) by word of mouth in their local communities
2. The bigger non-ISP-exclusive resellers up-selling their packages come renewal time to bundle fibre (think Vodafone/Sky/Three ,etc.). Basically triple (or quadruple, whatever)-play packages that now include NBI. In other words you'll connect to NBI as part of a bigger package.

Remember it's not up to NBI to sell their infrastructure to the end user. It's up to the likes of Sky, Vodafone, etc to do the selling of their services!
NBI have been active on local newspapers/radios, and this makes sense, as they're trying to raise awareness of the project in areas where end users will see work happening.

I've seen nothing from any of the ISPs in my letterbox about forthcoming NBI go-lives in my areas (and it's due Aug-Oct). I'd hope to start seeing something around July/August about pre-orders, but they may simply wait until the network is live.

Yeah totally agree. We are the 1% here on boards.

I wonder how pushed ISP retailers will be to push this though. Im paying Vodafone the same now for crap VDSL as I would be for Fibre 500Mb package.

I've also seen a big big increase in Imagine advertising around the area over the last while. So can only assume these will be the houses ISP's will target mainly but those folks will be likely stuck on long term contracts for the most part.

Im sure NBI have factored expected uptake in. Would love to know what the numbers they were thinking in the early stages.

dam099 · 14-06-2021 5:23pm

joe123 wrote: »

I wonder how pushed ISP retailers will be to push this though. Im paying Vodafone the same now for crap VDSL as I would be for Fibre 500Mb package.

Vodafone have been quite aggressive about trying to move customers to FTTH to the extent of sending letters implying they may not be able to continue service to customers who don't move.

I would think as long as the wholesale cost to them isn't significantly higher they would push it as FTTH potentially creates less support calls than barely hanging on copper lines.

kaizersoze · 14-06-2021 9:08pm

This is a 30 plan, Everybody isn't going to jump on it straight away. Take up will build as time advances. In 5 to 10 years it will be very difficult to access any service without internet access. For some that time is now.

IIRC eir FTTH take up was shockingly poor initally and possibly still is.

heavydawson · 14-06-2021 11:21pm

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Probably a good thing to keep in mind when people talk about uptake.

And a quote from http://ireland2050.ie/past/electricity/ :

The 1920s also saw a major leap forward in the electricity landscape in Ireland, with the construction of the Shannon Hydroelectric scheme at Ardnacrusha, Co Limerick. This was a massive undertaking for the newly established Irish Free State. Built at a cost of £5.2 million (about one-fifth of the state’s total budget) and employing 5,200 construction workers at its peak, Ardnacrusha was the largest hydroelectric scheme in the world, until it was overtaken by the Hoover dam scheme in the 1930s. It had enough capacity to meet almost all of Ireland’s electricity needs for the early years of the Free State. The transmission lines that were established to bring power from Ardnacrusha to the major urban centres became the foundation for the national grid.

In the 1930s, demand for electricity doubled as more and more households were connected to the grid. More power stations were built and there was further investment into the transmission network. The importance of having alternative energy sources became evident when incidences of drought and blizzard damage resulted in brief cases of reduced output.

Negotiations to build a turf-fired power station at Portarlington began despite reservations of increasing costs and uncertainties regarding the quality of turf. During the Second World War, coal quality deteriorated and difficulties in obtaining coal resulted in the rationing of electricity. Towards the end of 1943/44, fuel deliveries were confined to slurry which was almost unusable.

The cessation of war and the resulting upsurge in demand on the existing generation and transmission system led to the creation of the Rural Electrification Scheme, with the aim of delivering electricity to almost half a million rural homes. By 1949, about 284,000 electricity consumers were connected. At this time domestic consumption, although growing, was under 300 million units of electricity, less than the available capacity at Ardnacrusha.

TLDR; Even 20 years after Ardnacrusha was built, domestic consumption still wasn't using all of its output.

TheSegal · 15-06-2021 8:36am

dam099 wrote: »

Plus sounds like there is active disinformation from some WISPs. Anecdotal I know but one poster earlier in this thread was saying a salesman claimed Wireless was superior as speeds were constrained when using wires.

Correct, that was from me. I've made sure over the last few months to let all family, friends, and neighbours know about fiber being available in the next few months. Hence some of my frustration about the delay as people signed up with ISPs with max speeds of ~10MB but with contracts that can be upgraded to fiber in what should have been the next month or two back in March, rather than Imagine with speeds up to 150MB when the sun and stars align but also with no possibility of upgrading to fiber until a 2 year contract is expired.

heavydawson · 15-06-2021 8:51am

Interestingly enough, NBI.ie seems to have updated their homepage numbers today:

vs previously:

Where is the 19k premises available to order coming from if they've confirmed to the SBP only a week and a half ago that ~4000 homes were passed?

EarWig · 15-06-2021 10:00am

And they can't spell received....

EarWig · 15-06-2021 10:02am

heavydawson wrote: »

Where is the 19k premises available to order coming from if they've confirmed to the SBP only a week and a half ago that ~4000 homes were passed?

Because it's pre-order, not actually passed yet.

xxyyzz · 15-06-2021 11:07am

There was some NBI guy around my place yesterday, he just painted a red arrow on the road pointing at a pole, presumably to be replaced. It's strange because they already did a round of pole replacements about 2 months ago.

ACitizenErased · 15-06-2021 1:25pm

The 'available for order' meaning they haven't connected them yet but they can pre-order makes it look way better than it is

TheSegal · 15-06-2021 1:41pm

Got word from NBI that my date for installation in Galway is now mid-July rather than October as shortcomings have been fixed. Really messy way of communicating but I am not going to complain! It took a while to get the information out of them but with the massive amount of work i'm seeing around Galway I knew there had to be some change to the October date.

heavydawson · 15-06-2021 3:01pm

TheSegal wrote: »

Got word from NBI that my date for installation in Galway is now mid-July rather than October as shortcomings have been fixed. Really messy way of communicating but I am not going to complain! It took a while to get the information out of them but with the massive amount of work i'm seeing around Galway I knew there had to be some change to the October date.

When did you pre-order?

heavydawson · 15-06-2021 3:03pm

heavydawson wrote: »

When did you pre-order?

Never mind, see it was Apr 29th from your earlier posts.

Nolars · 15-06-2021 3:59pm

Are enet working on behalf in nbi? Seen them in east cork digging every 50 meters or so with white cable ?

Sterling Archer · 15-06-2021 4:14pm

Friend got told a set install date from digiweb, despite it still being at pre-order.. rather laughable when there is no way any provider can know that information at the moment (when at pre-order)

heavydawson · 15-06-2021 4:27pm

Sterling Archer wrote: »

Friend got told a set install date from digiweb, despite it still being at pre-order.. rather laughable when there is no way any provider can know that information at the moment (when at pre-order)

Where are they based? To be fair to the ISPs I'd _hope_ they know more about the dates than we do (or NBI make public)

TheSegal · 15-06-2021 4:42pm

Sterling Archer wrote: »

Friend got told a set install date from digiweb, despite it still being at pre-order.. rather laughable when there is no way any provider can know that information at the moment (when at pre-order)

I wasn't given an exact date for my house in Galway but I reached out to Digiweb after getting contact from NBI and Digiweb said they received a lot of new information today. I was not given an exact date myself but wouldn't be surprised if some areas that the network is finished being built in would have an install date lined up

trant · 15-06-2021 6:26pm

Our area was August-September 2021, then October-December 2021 and now January-April 2022. My property is still not included in the IA despite ongoing communications with DCCAE, our council broadband officer and local TD since January. Altogether a very frustrating process.

kaizersoze · 15-06-2021 7:00pm

Sterling Archer wrote: »

Friend got told a set install date from digiweb, despite it still being at pre-order.. rather laughable when there is no way any provider can know that information at the moment (when at pre-order)

The ISPs have a lot more detailed information available to them than what's in the public domain so not as laughable as you think. Do you think they just keep hitting refresh on the NBI website to get their info?

Dceng2 · 15-06-2021 8:15pm

Based on what I just read here, I looked at the Eircode checker again on the NBI website. Finally we've been moved from survey underway January - March 2023 to Network Build in Progress August - October 2021 (Killarney DA). Expected it to change with trees trimmed and ducting layed. Now just to wait for the Fibre line to be placed and go live, but I'll get prepping anyway.

Edit: Just noticed it when looking further that the Banard townland has been divided between the Killarney DA (15/56 in IA, Western side with Meentoges to the West and Stagmount to the South) and Rathmore DA (41/56 in IA, Eastern Side with Freemount to the south and Gullaun West to the North ), but it would help explain why the Freemount townland (4 houses in IA with Banard bordering it to the North ) was never included as part of the Killarney Townland list.

2nd Edit: the Knockreagh (Ed Carker) townland, bordering Rathmore DA, Killarney DA and Castleisland DA (Survey Pending). Initially down as Survey underway January - March 2023 (Rathmore) now split between Premises Pending Survey (Castleisland - Beyond 2023 at the earliest) and Network Build in Progress August 2021 - October 2021 (Killarney DA). You win some and you lose some I suppose.

3rd Edit: Well it appears NBI have been doing their updates late. Must be working overtime to catch up (insert laughing emoji here). Checked at 9pm Killarney DA August - October 2021, now updated (11:00pm) to November 2021 - January 2022. I mentioned in a previous post that when talking to groundworkers doing the ductworks, they mentioned the actual fibre rollout in Killarney wasn't going to begin until September so this new schedule makes sense.

Redriddick · 15-06-2021 9:57pm

Dceng2 wrote: »

Based on what I just read here, I looked at the Eircode checker again on the NBI website. Finally we've been moved from survey underway January - March 2023 to Network Build in Progress August - October 2021 (Killarney DA). Expected it to change with trees trimmed and ducting layed. Now just to wait for the Fibre line to be placed and go live, but I'll get prepping anyway.

Edit: Just noticed it when looking further that the Banard townland has been divided between the Killarney DA (15/56 in IA, Western side with Meentoges to the West and Stagmount to the South) and Rathmore DA (41/56 in IA, Eastern Side with Freemount to the south and Gullaun West to the North ), but it would help explain why the Freemount townland (4 houses in IA with Banard bordering it to the North ) was never included as part of the Killarney Townland list.

2nd Edit: the Knockreagh (Ed Carker) townland, bordering Rathmore DA, Killarney DA and Castleisland DA (Survey Pending). Initially down as Survey underway January - March 2023 (Rathmore) now split between Premises Pending Survey (Castleisland - Beyond 2023 at the earliest) and Network Build in Progress August 2021 - October 2021 (Killarney DA). You win some and you lose some I suppose.

Just checked mine, now pushed out to November december 2021

WestWicklow1 · 15-06-2021 10:09pm

trant wrote: »

Our area was August-September 2021, then October-December 2021 and now January-April 2022.

Exactly my dates and also moved to January-April 2022. What area are you?

My area: West Wicklow

heavydawson · 15-06-2021 10:11pm

Redriddick wrote: »

Just checked mine, now pushed out to November december 2021

Yup same here, just outside Tipp Town. Was previously August-Oct, but prior to that was Sept->November,

heavydawson · 15-06-2021 10:14pm

Dceng2 wrote: »

Based on what I just read here, I looked at the Eircode checker again on the NBI website. Finally we've been moved from survey underway January - March 2023 to Network Build in Progress August - October 2021 (Killarney DA). Expected it to change with trees trimmed and ducting layed. Now just to wait for the Fibre line to be placed and go live, but I'll get prepping anyway.

Edit: Just noticed it when looking further that the Banard townland has been divided between the Killarney DA (15/56 in IA, Western side with Meentoges to the West and Stagmount to the South) and Rathmore DA (41/56 in IA, Eastern Side with Freemount to the south and Gullaun West to the North ), but it would help explain why the Freemount townland (4 houses in IA with Banard bordering it to the North ) was never included as part of the Killarney Townland list.

2nd Edit: the Knockreagh (Ed Carker) townland, bordering Rathmore DA, Killarney DA and Castleisland DA (Survey Pending). Initially down as Survey underway January - March 2023 (Rathmore) now split between Premises Pending Survey (Castleisland - Beyond 2023 at the earliest) and Network Build in Progress August 2021 - October 2021 (Killarney DA). You win some and you lose some I suppose.

3rd Edit: Well it appears NBI have been doing their updates late. Must be working overtime to catch up (insert laughing emoji here). Checked at 9pm Killarney DA August - October 2021, now updated (11:00pm) to November 2021 - January 2022. I mentioned in a previous post that when talking to groundworkers doing the ductworks, they mentioned the actual fibre rollout in Killarney wasn't going to begin until September so this new schedule makes sense.

Where are you getting that level of DA information from?

Dceng2 · 15-06-2021 11:05pm

heavydawson wrote: »

Where are you getting that level of DA information from?

Its mostly based on my knowledge of the local townlands in East Kerry, comparing the named townlands mentioned in the Rollout pages for Killarney and Rathmore and spotting the overlaps (my own townland being one of those, we were surveyed for both aswell, Killarney - July 2020, Rathmore - December 2020, try getting NBI to explain that).

Checking tonights updated eircode checker in other overlapping townlands and finding some premises with new dates for connection while other parts of the same townland remained the same or completely lost an estimated connection date. I used the Broadband.gov.ie website to understand how many premises were in the intervention area in each of these overlapping townlands.

Chatting to the ground crews when they started doing prep work on our area (especially when our supposed connection date originally was 2 years out from now), and typical to rural Ireland, chatting to lads (farmers, old folks, relations) who saw the crews either surveying or beginning the build out works in recent months.

I suppose knowing where Current Open Eir infrastructure is located as well helps as I knew that the Knockreagh townland is split between two exchanges; Scartaglin being one, Anablaha being the other. Banard is also split between the Headford and Rathmore Exchanges.

Even the documents from NBI that were uploaded on this forum showing rollout areas allowed me to get a rough idea where one DA ends and the other begins. It could be all speculative at the end of the day so don't take me as the gospel. It just gives an idea of what we're seeing happening out here.

ECO_Mental · 16-06-2021 7:24am

A little birdie told me one of the reasons why they have been slower to roll out was the problem of crossing ESBN power lines and how to do this safely and I suppose agreement with ESBN.

I do think there is a learning process here with construction as I am sure all these NBI crews are new to this, but once they iron out all the issues things should accelerate. This will be a repetitive job and efficiencies in deployment will start coming through as they learn quickly.

Speak Now · 16-06-2021 8:28am

Waterford - Was Nov 21 - Jan 22 now Jan 22 - Apr 22.

heavydawson · 16-06-2021 8:40am

ECO_Mental wrote: »

A little birdie told me one of the reasons why they have been slower to roll out was the problem of crossing ESBN power lines and how to do this safely and I suppose agreement with ESBN.

I do think there is a learning process here with construction as I am sure all these NBI crews are new to this, but once they iron out all the issues things should accelerate. This will be a repetitive job and efficiencies in deployment will start coming through as they learn quickly.

I find the ESBN excuse hard to believe. Their lines were already crossed (for decades!) with pre-existing ducting for the old copper lines which are being re-used.

Agree with you on the learning process. I expect every subsequent year to speed things up.

ECO_Mental · 16-06-2021 9:45am

heavydawson wrote: »

I find the ESBN excuse hard to believe. Their lines were already crossed (for decades!) with pre-existing ducting for the old copper lines which are being re-used.

Agree with you on the learning process. I expect every subsequent year to speed things up.

Yes but they are stringing new fiber lines along these existing copper lines so they still have to cross them. Eir have procedures and policies in place and have been doing it for decades but NBI have to get up to speed and they have been slow up until now.

Nolars · 16-06-2021 11:35am

Speak Now wrote:

Waterford - Was Nov 21 - Jan 22 now Jan 22 - Apr 22.

Midleton has changed too - hopefully it's an error like last time. On the rollout page it still says Nov 21 - Jan 22

Donutz · 16-06-2021 12:34pm

At the end of March my eircode was showing as network build in progress with an estimated connection date between July 21 to August 21

In April it changed to surveying underway with an estimated connection date between June 22 and December 22

Now it's showing as survey planned and has no expected connection date.

Don't see the point of having the website if the information it gives is totally unreliable. They bang on about making progress and connecting premises but for some of us, we are moving backwards through the phases.

trant · 16-06-2021 1:24pm

WestWicklow1 wrote: »

Exactly my dates and also moved to January-April 2022. What area are you?

My area: West Wicklow

South County Dublin, Blessington DA (if they ever include me in the IA).

Mor-Riomhaire · 16-06-2021 1:30pm

Nolars wrote: »

Midleton has changed too - hopefully it's an error like last time. On the rollout page it still says Nov 21 - Jan 22

I pinged NBI via twitter and asked them about the new updates to the timelines.

Received this standard response "Given ongoing challenges relating to Covid, NBI now expects to pass between 50,000 and 60,000 premises by the end of 2021, with construction in a number of other deployment areas well developed at that stage. NBI has committed to a seven year timeline for the deployment of the infrastructure that will underpin the National Broadband Plan; and we are committed to deploying the infrastructure within the planned timeframe."

TheSegal · 16-06-2021 1:39pm

Mor-Riomhaire wrote: »

I pinged NBI via twitter and asked them about the new updates to the timelines.

Received this standard response "Given ongoing challenges relating to Covid, NBI now expects to pass between 50,000 and 60,000 premises by the end of 2021, with construction in a number of other deployment areas well developed at that stage. NBI has committed to a seven year timeline for the deployment of the infrastructure that will underpin the National Broadband Plan; and we are committed to deploying the infrastructure within the planned timeframe."

I message them around 3-4 times with the same direct question until I get a non-generic response. It can be extremely painful at times but they will gradually listen to you and respond accordingly

xxyyzz · 16-06-2021 1:47pm

Dceng2 wrote: »

Its mostly based on my knowledge of the local townlands in East Kerry, comparing the named townlands mentioned in the Rollout pages for Killarney and Rathmore and spotting the overlaps (my own townland being one of those, we were surveyed for both aswell, Killarney - July 2020, Rathmore - December 2020, try getting NBI to explain that).

Checking tonights updated eircode checker in other overlapping townlands and finding some premises with new dates for connection while other parts of the same townland remained the same or completely lost an estimated connection date. I used the Broadband.gov.ie website to understand how many premises were in the intervention area in each of these overlapping townlands.

Chatting to the ground crews when they started doing prep work on our area (especially when our supposed connection date originally was 2 years out from now), and typical to rural Ireland, chatting to lads (farmers, old folks, relations) who saw the crews either surveying or beginning the build out works in recent months.

I suppose knowing where Current Open Eir infrastructure is located as well helps as I knew that the Knockreagh townland is split between two exchanges; Scartaglin being one, Anablaha being the other. Banard is also split between the Headford and Rathmore Exchanges.

Even the documents from NBI that were uploaded on this forum showing rollout areas allowed me to get a rough idea where one DA ends and the other begins. It could be all speculative at the end of the day so don't take me as the gospel. It just gives an idea of what we're seeing happening out here.

There is definitely progress in Kerry, I came home to this. They were bringing fibre to the chamber outside my house

Pique · 16-06-2021 2:17pm

xxyyzz wrote: »

There is definitely progress in Kerry, I came home to this. They were bringing fibre to the chamber outside my house

What does the NBI checker say about your eircode?

xxyyzz · 16-06-2021 3:12pm

July to September 21

National Broadband Ireland : implementation and progress

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