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Sami23 · 16-06-2021 09:15AM

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Is it for slats or cubicles

Slats

Sami23 · 16-06-2021 09:16AM

wrangler wrote: »

Mayo mats make a great cubicle mat but cattle are very dirty on the slat mat.

Those green Comfort Mats be the way to go so I suppose.
Wonder can you fit them yourself to cut down on cost

Bass Reeves · 16-06-2021 09:20AM

On slats I used Easyfix mats. The general consensus is that these are the best mat available. The mayo mat is a softer rubber. I heard it flatten out to cover the slat holes. You constantly need to be trimming them. The German comfort mat you showed I saw before I fitted mine. IMO there is not enough material in it to last. It a hard rubber with a cote that is hollow in places. If it slats I would definitely go Easyfix. There is another supplier Durapak but the rubber on there mats is quite hard

If it's cubicle mats the mayo mat is supposed to be softer and cows prefer it to any other mat, however any decent mat is better than concrete. Cattle like on the easy fix mats any time there belly is full. On cubicles I would go for either

josephsoap · 20-06-2021 07:03AM

https://www.donedeal.ie/view/28463057

Some nice stock here, however, I would wonder about some of their ability to calve - I’d also imagine you would probably also want to be sitting down when you hear the price

Hershall · 20-06-2021 07:21AM

Bass Reeves wrote: »

On slats I used Easyfix mats. The general consensus is that these are the best mat available. The mayo mat is a softer rubber. I heard it flatten out to cover the slat holes. You constantly need to be trimming them. The German comfort mat you showed I saw before I fitted mine. IMO there is not enough material in it to last. It a hard rubber with a cote that is hollow in places. If it slats I would definitely go Easyfix. There is another supplier Durapak but the rubber on there mats is quite hard

If it's cubicle mats the mayo mat is supposed to be softer and cows prefer it to any other mat, however any decent mat is better than concrete. Cattle like on the easy fix mats any time there belly is full. On cubicles I would go for either

I have easyfix slat mats since 2006 no problems and they look as good as the day they went down

Bass Reeves · 20-06-2021 07:25AM

josephsoap wrote: »

https://www.donedeal.ie/view/28463057

Some nice stock here, however, I would wonder about some of their ability to calve - I’d also imagine you would probably also want to be sitting down when you hear the price

As well accross the whole lot of them heifers I imagine you be lucky if they average 3-4 calves/ heifer and calving interval would be an issue as well

Jim_11 · 20-06-2021 08:02AM

Bass Reeves wrote: »

As well accross the whole lot of them heifers I imagine you be lucky if they average 3-4 calves/ heifer and calving interval would be an issue as well

How would that type of cow go with a good quality AA bull on them and not try to wreck them. AA bonus, quicker finishing, easy calving, less vet call outs (I can’t see how there’s any profit if the vet is out several times a year).

The price those heifers get will look like it makes no sense but I presume the lad that buys them will be looking to sell on their progeny to lads of similar mindset, pay ridiculous prices all to look good in front of the neighbours

Bass Reeves · 20-06-2021 08:20AM

Jim_11 wrote: »

How would that type of cow go with a good quality AA bull on them and not try to wreck them. AA bonus, quicker finishing, easy calving, less vet call outs (I can’t see how there’s any profit if the vet is out several times a year).

The price those heifers get will look like it makes no sense but I presume the lad that buys them will be looking to sell on their progeny to lads of similar mindset, pay ridiculous prices all to look good in front of the neighbours

Not sure but they is probably too little milk in there genetics. I remember about 15+ years ago there was an article in the journal a lad in the UK he used to use BB/HO crosses with an AA bull. His land was very hilly.

I think any lad that wants to stay suckling should be looking at a Continental/HO cross( sim, LM, Ch, BB what ever) to AA/GE bulls

Run a low cost system finish at 18 months.HO provides the milk, cont the size and AA/ HE for price. You want growth rate on the breeding bull

whelan2 · 20-06-2021 08:27AM

It doesn't say what age they are, or did I miss it?

Jim_11 · 20-06-2021 09:08AM

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Not sure but they is probably too little milk in there genetics. I remember about 15+ years ago there was an article in the journal a lad in the UK he used to use BB/HO crosses with an AA bull. His land was very hilly.

I think any lad that wants to stay suckling should be looking at a Continental/HO cross( sim, LM, Ch, BB what ever) to AA/GE bulls

Run a low cost system finish at 18 months.HO provides the milk, cont the size and AA/ HE for price. You want growth rate on the breeding bull

Thinking of similar here, mostly AA cows bred from the old dairy herd 10years back, with a v good AA bull, great milk but the cows are lacking in the breeding side of things. You’d really see the difference with the odd lm/aa cow, the calves do far better after weaning.

bogman_bass · 20-06-2021 09:16AM

Jim_11 wrote: »

How would that type of cow go with a good quality AA bull on them and not try to wreck them. AA bonus, quicker finishing, easy calving, less vet call outs (I can’t see how there’s any profit if the vet is out several times a year).

The price those heifers get will look like it makes no sense but I presume the lad that buys them will be looking to sell on their progeny to lads of similar mindset, pay ridiculous prices all to look good in front of the neighbours

No more than the pedigree game it’s all a pyramid scheme.
The lads at the top selling the dream that “you too could have prices like these!”
In reality it rarely happens
The funniest one is the roan heifers. Lads trying to buy a roam heifer because they’ll get their money back if she has a roan heifer.
Thing is, you won’t get a roan out of a roan unless you use a shorthorn and the. You won’t have the shape.

Albert Johnson · 20-06-2021 10:14AM

josephsoap wrote: »

https://www.donedeal.ie/view/28463057

Some nice stock here, however, I would wonder about some of their ability to calve - I’d also imagine you would probably also want to be sitting down when you hear the price

In fairness the same man is all his life at those type of stock and is well able to sell them so he must be doing something right. They definitely wouldn't be my cup of tea though.

grassroot1 · 20-06-2021 11:38AM

Jim_11 wrote: »

How would that type of cow go with a good quality AA bull on them and not try to wreck them. AA bonus, quicker finishing, easy calving, less vet call outs (I can’t see how there’s any profit if the vet is out several times a year).

The price those heifers get will look like it makes no sense but I presume the lad that buys them will be looking to sell on their progeny to lads of similar mindset, pay ridiculous prices all to look good in front of the neighbours

all ok as long as the pyramid schemes keeps going

dh1985 · 20-06-2021 01:21PM

bogman_bass wrote: »

No more than the pedigree game it’s all a pyramid scheme.
The lads at the top selling the dream that “you too could have prices like these!”
In reality it rarely happens
The funniest one is the roan heifers. Lads trying to buy a roam heifer because they’ll get their money back if she has a roan heifer.
Thing is, you won’t get a roan out of a roan unless you use a shorthorn and the. You won’t have the shape.

Wouldnt agree entirely with that. Have a few roan cows here from both shorthorn backgrounds but also lmx/bbx backgrounds and they more often than not have a roan calf. Even off a charolais bull. Predominantly white with the red per the photo.
Have to agree with your other point however. Dont understand the prices these types command. Nice to look at but no better at breeding than any other good suckler.

Anto_Meath · 21-06-2021 11:40AM

Looking at Carnaross Mart there ever AA / AAX around must be in it. Seen some that appear to be suckler bred making €2.76 / KG its great money.

Anto_Meath · 21-06-2021 02:20PM

Jjameson wrote: »

2 o+ /r- Angus heifers €505 kg €1430 Carnew on Saturday

They would never kill into that money at current quotes. What is driving the strong mart prices for the AA's at the minute. Would guess most AA's factory fit cattle are making €100 - €150 above factory prices in the mart at the minute.
620Kgs - €1,600
710 Kgs - €1,710
640 Kgs - €1,570
All O grade cattle and the last lad could even be an O-.

DBK1 · 21-06-2021 02:46PM

I see there was a few OAP bullocks sold in Birr today,

45 month old LMX 700kg €1,550
50 month old CHX 690kg €1,540
51 month old CHX 690kg €1,420

Hard to see how any money was made out of them.

I wonder what the steak would be like!?

Albert Johnson · 21-06-2021 03:13PM

DBK1 wrote: »

I see there was a few OAP bullocks sold in Birr today,

45 month old LMX 700kg €1,550
50 month old CHX 690kg €1,540
51 month old CHX 690kg €1,420

Hard to see how any money was made out of them.

I wonder what the steak would be like!?

The profit would depend on whether they were reared from birth or bought as stores. There couldn't be much out of them if you kept the cow and looked at them for 4 years or more, however if they were bought as stores at the right price then perhaps they left something. Though you'd need someone to calve the cow and loose money on them for the first few year's to bring them to the store stage.

Those type of stock are usually 1 owner from birth in my experience. They roam Jurassic Park style over a big ranch for a few year's and you gather up the biggest one's annually as they fatten over the summer. Even a middling run will put flesh on a bullock 4 or 5 year's old once there finished growing and it's lightly stocked. I've often considered buying 2 or 3 year old leggy stores and grazing them for another year or 2 and selling them through the cull cow ring when beef was in demand. The winter is too long around here though and the feed costs would be the killer to winter them. As for the quality of the beef the main supplier of meat to the higher end restaurant's locally fattens mostly cull cows and there's almost exclusively rave reviews about his beef.

Anto_Meath · 21-06-2021 03:25PM

DBK1 wrote: »

I see there was a few OAP bullocks sold in Birr today,

45 month old LMX 700kg €1,550
50 month old CHX 690kg €1,540
51 month old CHX 690kg €1,420

Hard to see how any money was made out of them.

I wonder what the steak would be like!?

There only money for 1 person out of any animal, the trick is to try and sell them to ensure you are the one making the money. If those cattle left this seller money then someone back the line had to loose. Now they probably belonged to some older person for who making money on them isn't a priority, they just like to have a few cattle wandering around, lift the single farm payment and are happy at that..

Bass Reeves · 21-06-2021 05:45PM

DBK1 wrote: »

I see there was a few OAP bullocks sold in Birr today,

45 month old LMX 700kg €1,550
50 month old CHX 690kg €1,540
51 month old CHX 690kg €1,420

Hard to see how any money was made out of them.

I wonder what the steak would be like!?

Very bad weights for cattle that age. Imagine that they're only 2-3 owner cattle. Average gain is 430 grams per day.

Saw Friesian about 2 years ago 800 + kgs at 38 months.kilked a few 4-5 years ago 40 months they killed 430 kgs on average or 850 LW

DBK1 · 21-06-2021 09:24PM

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Very bad weights for cattle that age. Imagine that they're only 2-3 owner cattle. Average gain is 430 grams per day.

Saw Friesian about 2 years ago 800 + kgs at 38 months.kilked a few 4-5 years ago 40 months they killed 430 kgs on average or 850 LW

My thoughts exactly, very bad weights. When I saw them in the catalogue I was expecting something 900 - 1000 kgs. Third owner and in the herd for 36 months so they would have been bought as strong weanlings.

I also agree completely with Anto and I’ve said it here before, there’s only profit for one person out of beef stock so if that farmer has made money out of them poor weights and prices for age, regardless of what the grazing/housing system on the farm is, then the previous 2 owners must have lost a serious amount on them.

Anto_Meath · 22-06-2021 08:26AM

At the third owner, chances are some dealer bought them as weanlings and then sold them on to the farmer that kept them for the 3 years. The lad that was selling them yesterday didn't even stand in the mart to buy them. I see it around here regular, an old almost retired farmer, contacts his usual dealer and tells him how many cattle he wants, they dealer knows the type the farmer wants and will drop them in the yard. Then a year or so later the dealer collects them again and brings them to the mart for the farmer and a week of so later drops off the replacement cattle and circle continues.

tanko · 22-06-2021 12:33PM

Have two eleven year old cows here a neighbour is interested in buying.
One is an R=/R+ red lim about 730 kgs with a good quality three month old U grade Ai bred red lim bull calf.

The other is a R+/U- yellow CH x Lim about 780 kgs with a very good quality three month old U grade Ai bred CH heifer calf.
What are they worth?

Albert Johnson · 22-06-2021 02:34PM

tanko wrote: »

Have two eleven year old cows here a neighbour is interested in buying.
One is an R=/R+ red lim about 730 kgs with a good quality three month old U grade Ai bred red lim bull calf.

The other is a R+/U- yellow CH x Lim about 780 kgs with a very good quality three month old U grade Ai bred CH heifer calf.
What are they worth?

Is the neighbour intending to bull them again? If the cows were reasonably fleshed I'd be expecting them to be worth more split than as a suckler team. Most suckler men wouldn't have much interest in a cow 11 years of age. As an outfit they'd probably want to make circa 2k to €2200 but I doubt if they would atm. If I had them in the mart I'd put the cow's into the cull ring and sell the calves as runner's but it depends on the sucker trade locally.

A friend showed a 12 year old CHx cow and Aubrac calf about 2 months old recently. I advised to split them as opposed to selling them in the suckler ring. The cow was 580kg and made €1040 and the calf made €400. There were similar teams sold through the suckler's for €1200-1300.

Water John · 22-06-2021 03:11PM

DBK1 wrote: »

I see there was a few OAP bullocks sold in Birr today,

45 month old LMX 700kg €1,550
50 month old CHX 690kg €1,540
51 month old CHX 690kg €1,420

Hard to see how any money was made out of them.

I wonder what the steak would be like!?

This might suit a few lads. Wouldn't judge this in terms of LWG. Older farmer with good entitlements, enough docile stock to keep them. He may not need any winter feed. No costs, remember many farmers are running at a loss and using their entitlements to prop it up.

degetme · 24-06-2021 09:04PM

Would spring born fresian bullocks with ringworm but devalued much in the mart? There in good order, just picked up ringworm somewhere at grass

Bass Reeves · 24-06-2021 09:11PM

degetme wrote: »

Would spring born fresian bullocks with ringworm but devalued much in the mart? There in good order, just picked up ringworm somewhere at grass

It would depend on how bad. You might only get lads around the ring bidding. When you say spring born are they this year or last years calves

degetme · 24-06-2021 09:26PM

Bass Reeves wrote: »

It would depend on how bad. You might only get lads around the ring bidding. When you say spring born are they this year or last years calves

February 2020. Ah there not rotten with it but they could get worse. I'll hold on to them probably and sell the 1s who don't have it

Bass Reeves · 24-06-2021 09:31PM

degetme wrote: »

February 2020. Ah there not rotten with it but they could get worse. I'll hold on to them probably and sell the 1s who don't have it

Some lads will take a chance on it but they will be expecting a discount. What part of the country are they as well as weight

degetme · 24-06-2021 09:48PM

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Some lads will take a chance on it but they will be expecting a discount. What part of the country are they as well as weight

Limerick. I don't know about weights. Maybe 430kgs.

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