Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XI Read OP For Mod Warnings

PTH2009 · 14-06-2021 02:56PM

It's almost like some people are happy the England reopening has gone a bit tits up

Graham · 14-06-2021 02:56PM

JRant wrote: »

Well for better or worse they are the canary down the coal mine now to see if a steady increase in cases has a material effect on hospital/death numbers with so many people vaccinated.

Let's hope we don't need that canary.

Their main issue appears to be the Delta variant.

I'd hope we can keep a lid on it here long enough to sidestep any significant impact while more of us are vaccinated.

Deeper Blue · 14-06-2021 02:56PM

TomSweeney wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0614/1227925-ireland-covid/

...And we're off ...

The sooner people stop listening to these sociopath control freaks the better.

Make no mistake - these people WANT these new strains to be vaccine resistant, they WANT carnage in the hospitals.

And just yesterday I saw an extremely condescending ad from RTE about how they report the facts. They really are vile.

Rayne Wooney · 14-06-2021 03:00PM

There’s no certainty that delta will effect us like it has the UK, spreading mainly in schools when we could avoid that problem, the delay in putting India on their red list was obviously a major mess up. It took them two weeks from opening indoor on 17th of May to the clear beginning of a 3rd wave.

France: reopened indoor last Monday, no increase in cases yet, this week is obviously crucial

Denmark: reopened almost completely on 21st of May, cases trending down

Poland: reopened 50% indoor capacity on 31st of May, cases trending down

Sweden: reopened indoor on 1st of June, cases trending down

Netherlands: reopened indoor 5th of June, cases trending down

Belgium: reopened indoor last Wednesday, cases trending down

Switzerland: reopened indoor 31st of May, cases trending down

The 5th of July reopening should be next Monday, at least 2 weeks just thrown away needlessly, a lot more could have been done to save a lot more of this summer.

hynesie08 · 14-06-2021 03:01PM

PTH2009 wrote: »

It's almost like some people are happy the England reopening has gone a bit tits up

Of course, it gives you another month of getting angry at made up scenarios and ridiculous comments about tony holohan, why wouldn't you be happy.

Graham · 14-06-2021 03:14PM

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

The 5th of July reopening should be next Monday, at least 2 weeks just thrown away needlessly, a lot more could have been done to save a lot more of this summer.

Given our proximity to the UK and our rather porous borders it's probably no bad thing.

While cases in NI are relatively low at 111, infection rates are apparently much higher:

"With this variant, one person is infecting six people on average, so that's why it's much more easily spread."

charlie14 · 14-06-2021 03:49PM

Klonker wrote: »

Thats not what I essentially believe. You're trying to make out that Germany and France are somehow in a worse place than us by exiting their version of level 5 lockdown and then having to re enter it again while for all that time we remained in level 5. You'd have a point if we were now ahead of them in our reopening but we're not, we are still well behind them and will continue to be.

Just to point out one comparison. We will be a full 7 weeks behind Germany and 6 weeks behind France signing up to the Green Cert and with that we'll still have harsher rules around it.

I'm not going to respond to you anymore on this topic. You either get it and are pretending you don't or else you just somehow can't comprehend what I'm saying to you. Either way, me repeating it again isn't going to change that.

If you do not wish to see it, neither is me repeating that Germany and France jumped the gun on reopening and just 2 months ago had to reverse course and go back into, in France`s case with curfews, an even higher level than when they jumped the gun.

Yet for some reason, based on no data I have seen as to why, we are expected by some here to now follow what they are doing.
Makes even less sense when the country in Europe with the highest vaccination levels, whose approach we are following, is now delaying the next stage of their reopening

JRant · 14-06-2021 04:11PM

Graham wrote: »

Let's hope we don't need that canary.

Their main issue appears to be the Delta variant.

I'd hope we can keep a lid on it here long enough to sidestep any significant impact while more of us are vaccinated.

Time will tell really. I hope it works out for the UK and a rise is cases doesn't mean a surge in hospital and death numbers.

TomSweeney · 14-06-2021 04:33PM

JRant wrote: »

Time will tell really. I hope it works out for the UK and a rise is cases doesn't mean a surge in hospital and death numbers.

Impossible at this stage a rise in cases can lead to a surge in deaths with their level of elderly and vulnerable vaccinated, but of course the media won't mention this and just keep pushing the cases cases cases metric to fearmonger and get people to stay at home hiding under their beds.

Good luck when they try and implement full lockdowns in winter, at almost 100% vaccination levels by then people won't accept it - that's of course not accounting for this "fully vaccine resistant strain" I am expecting around September.

Bookmark it.

Boggles · 14-06-2021 04:36PM

TomSweeney wrote: »

Impossible at this stage a rise in cases can lead to a surge in deaths with their level of elderly and vulnerable vaccinated, but of course the media won't mention this and just keep pushing the cases cases cases metric to fearmonger and get people to stay at home hiding under their beds.

It's not the media cancelling "Freedom Day".

Silentcorner · 14-06-2021 04:45PM

TomSweeney wrote: »

Impossible at this stage a rise in cases can lead to a surge in deaths with their level of elderly and vulnerable vaccinated, but of course the media won't mention this and just keep pushing the cases cases cases metric to fearmonger and get people to stay at home hiding under their beds.

Good luck when they try and implement full lockdowns in winter, at almost 100% vaccination levels by then people won't accept it - that's of course not accounting for this "fully vaccine resistant strain" I am expecting around September.

Bookmark it.

If the health system can't take a new variant during the summer months, what will happen with a new variant during flu season?

If this isn't about baiting people into taking the vaccine then we are looking at another bleak winter.

14-06-2021 04:46PM

TomSweeney wrote: »

Impossible at this stage a rise in cases can lead to a surge in deaths with their level of elderly and vulnerable vaccinated, but of course the media won't mention this and just keep pushing the cases cases cases metric to fearmonger and get people to stay at home hiding under their beds.

Good luck when they try and implement full lockdowns in winter, at almost 100% vaccination levels by then people won't accept it - that's of course not accounting for this "fully vaccine resistant strain" I am expecting around September.

Bookmark it.

Of course its possible - Elderly and vulnerable are the most likely individuals to experience failure of the vaccine to generate effective immunity. If its 95% effective against serious illness, those 5% will disproportionally be old and / or vulnerable. Thats why everyone else needs to be vaccinated to be home free. Thats not to say we shouldn't start enjoying the benefits gained, just keep an eye on things

14-06-2021 04:47PM

Silentcorner wrote: »

If the health system can't take a new variant during the summer months, what will happen with a new variant during flu season?

If this isn't about baiting people into taking the vaccine then we are looking at another bleak winter.

hmmmm...

Graham · 14-06-2021 04:48PM

TomSweeney wrote: »

Impossible at this stage a rise in cases can lead to a surge in deaths with their level of elderly and vulnerable vaccinated, but of course the media won't mention this

So the UK are uncertain if the link between cases, hospitalisations and deaths have been broken yet (particularly with the Delta variant) but you know already.

That's pretty cool.

PhoneMain · 14-06-2021 04:53PM

Silentcorner wrote: »

If the health system can't take a new variant during the summer months, what will happen with a new variant during flu season?

If this isn't about baiting people into taking the vaccine then we are looking at another bleak winter.

Can I ask you and Tom a question? Genuinely curious, why do ye think the likes of Michael Martin, Leo Varadkar, Boris Johnson, NPHET are imposing these restrictions? Whats their motivation for imposing them?

Whatsisname · 14-06-2021 04:59PM

Graham wrote: »

So the UK are uncertain if the link between cases, hospitalisations and deaths have been broken yet (particularly with the Delta variant) but you know already.

That's pretty cool.

Cases started rising 4 weeks ago. Hospitalisations haven't risen by that much, they're still pretty stable. Deaths are still on the floor.

If you wanna look at Bolton, the supposed epicentre of the Indian variant. Cases are dropping and hospitalisations are very low. The Bolton NHS Foundation don't upload their data everyday, but their last entry was on the 8th of June there were 4 admissions.

Cases in Bolton atleast are largely made up of younger people or those who haven't had 2 doses so the vaccines do seem to be doing a very good job at breaking the link between cases and hospitalisations and infections in general.

Silentcorner · 14-06-2021 05:06PM

PhoneMain wrote: »

Can I ask you and Tom a question? Genuinely curious, why do ye think the likes of Michael Martin, Leo Varadkar, Boris Johnson, NPHET are imposing these restrictions? Whats their motivation for imposing them?

I've no idea...just like I've no idea why they think the health system is at risk during the summer months.

We had variants all last summer and I'll bet no one could name one, let alone it's code number or R number or whatever other data points being used to pump fear into people.

It's funny, this is the second variant we are being told to be fearful of since last February...nothing came of the last one, nothing will come of this one! Our health system will be able to cope just fine with the inevitable clusters and small numbers....just like last summer.

It's like a hamster wheel of fear and hysteria, it never seems to end.

Graham · 14-06-2021 05:06PM

Whatsisname wrote: »

Cases started rising 4 weeks ago. Hospitalisations haven't risen by that much, they're still pretty stable. Deaths are still on the floor.

If you wanna look at Bolton, the supposed epicentre of the Indian variant. Cases are dropping and hospitalisations are very low. The Bolton NHS Foundation don't upload their data everyday, but their last entry was on the 8th of June there were 4 admissions.

Cases in Bolton atleast are largely made up of younger people or those who haven't had 2 doses so the vaccines do seem to be doing a very good job at breaking the link between cases and hospitalisations and infections in general.

I'd agree that vaccinations certainly appear to be breaking the link (particularly with those fully vaccinated) there are still plenty in the UK unvaccinated.

Hence the rising case numbers and delayed reopening.

Ferris_Bueller · 14-06-2021 06:39PM

Haven't been on these threads that much the last week so maybe it's been covered already, but what exactly are the point of the trial events they are running at the moment? Specifically the concert in Iveagh Gardens last week has me baffled.

There were no tests before or after the concert, people were socially distant in pods of up to 4 i think, no alcohol was being served and people were asked to wear masks. What exactly do they plan on finding out from this? There have probably been more people in the Iveagh Gardens every other night of the week than there was for the concert.

JRant · 14-06-2021 06:43PM

Ferris_Bueller wrote: »

Haven't been on these threads that much the last week so maybe it's been covered already, but what exactly are the point of the trial events they are running at the moment? Specifically the concert in Iveagh Gardens last week has me baffled.

There were no tests before or after the concert, people were socially distant in pods of up to 4 i think, no alcohol was being served and people were asked to wear masks. What exactly do they plan on finding out from this? There have probably been more people in the Iveagh Gardens every other night of the week than there was for the concert.

It seems to have been an exercise in how much guff people are willing to accept. As a trial event it will have thought us next to nothing other than how ridiculous it looked.

PTH2009 · 14-06-2021 06:48PM

Ferris_Bueller wrote: »

Haven't been on these threads that much the last week so maybe it's been covered already, but what exactly are the point of the trial events they are running at the moment? Specifically the concert in Iveagh Gardens last week has me baffled.

There were no tests before or after the concert, people were socially distant in pods of up to 4 i think, no alcohol was being served and people were asked to wear masks. What exactly do they plan on finding out from this? There have probably been more people in the Iveagh Gardens every other night of the week than there was for the concert.

Very true

Events in places such as the 3Arena seem so far away. It's like they don't want stuff like that happening as its too dangerous

Crowds should be exiting the Aviva Stadium as we speak but nope not safe

is_that_so · 14-06-2021 06:51PM

PTH2009 wrote: »

Very true

Events in places such as the 3Arena seem so far away. It's like they don't want stuff like that happening as its too dangerous

Crowds should be exiting the Aviva Stadium as we speak but nope not safe

Here's a full list of pilot events.

https://www.thejournal.ie/music-sport-live-events-reopening-ireland-phoenix-park-5451192-May2021/

PTH2009 · 14-06-2021 07:00PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Here's a full list of pilot events.

https://www.thejournal.ie/music-sport-live-events-reopening-ireland-phoenix-park-5451192-May2021/

All fine and good but no 3Arena events which would be an ideal venue to try stuff out

hynesie08 · 14-06-2021 07:01PM

PTH2009 wrote: »

Very true

Events in places such as the 3Arena seem so far away. It's like they don't want stuff like that happening as its too dangerous

Crowds should be exiting the Aviva Stadium as we speak but nope not safe

From what?

hynesie08 · 14-06-2021 07:01PM

PTH2009 wrote: »

All fine and good but no 3Arena events which would be an ideal venue to try stuff out

The concept of scaling up is completely alien to you isn't it?

is_that_so · 14-06-2021 07:02PM

PTH2009 wrote: »

All fine and good but no 3Arena events which would be an ideal venue to try stuff out

The INEC is big enough and there are a few other indoor trials to see how this might be made work. We still don't know what may be happening for July and August yet.

PTH2009 · 14-06-2021 07:02PM

hynesie08 wrote: »

From what?

Euros game between Poland and Slovakia

14-06-2021 07:03PM

PTH2009 wrote: »

Very true

Events in places such as the 3Arena seem so far away. It's like they don't want stuff like that happening as its too dangerous

Crowds should be exiting the Aviva Stadium as we speak but nope not safe

I think the perspective of UEFA was put into plain sight Saturday evening

hynesie08 · 14-06-2021 07:09PM

is_that_so wrote: »

The INEC is big enough and there are a few other indoor trials to see how this might be made work. We still don't know what may be happening for July and August yet.

The first event was always going to be a box ticking exercise with a limited attendance. it absolutely should have been done at the end of last summer when cases were low, but the first one was never going to be thousands of people.

Tenger · 14-06-2021 07:09PM

Ferris_Bueller wrote: »

............but what exactly are the point of the trial events they are running at the moment? Specifically the concert in Iveagh Gardens last week has me baffled.

There were no tests before or after the concert, people were socially distant in pods of up to 4 i think, no alcohol was being served and people were asked to wear masks. What exactly do they plan on finding out from this? There have probably been more people in the Iveagh Gardens every other night of the week than there was for the concert.

I’ve been in a local shopping centre twice a week for food shopping for at least 3 months. (It has Dunne and Tesco as well as smaller shops) 100s inside at a time, social distancing, mask wearing, hygiene protocol.

The Iveagh Gardens “pilot” just added music to what’s been happening all over the city for months now.

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