Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XI Read OP For Mod Warnings

charlie14 · 13-06-2021 05:59PM

Klonker wrote: »

Poster was making out its better not to have ambitious easing of restrictions in case they need to be delayed (like UK. Poster was making the point its better to have way over the top, unnecessary restrictions that go on months too long but won't need to be delayed (like Ireland).

Well we have seen examples of that from countries some here still believe we should be following. Germany and France both got it wrong on reopening and had to reimpose restrictions and curfews two months ago.
If that is what you would be happy with, good for you. For myself I would prefer not going back into that cycle.

niallo27 · 13-06-2021 06:03PM

charlie14 wrote: »

The U.K. have been lifting restrictions on a phased basis. Same as we have been doing. It`s not as if they lifted all restrictions in one go.
There are now doubts that they will move to their next stage of reopening, even though they have the highest levels of vaccinations in Europe. I have heard nothing that even suggest we will not be moving to our next stage of reopening.

Why not compare us with France or germany like you did fee weeks back, it's always the worst case scenario. Everything is moving at a snails pace here, how could we possibly delay moving to a stage which is already last in Europe.

Graham · 13-06-2021 06:05PM

lol,

it is funny to see the UK poster boy to covid approaches replaced so quickly over a few short weeks.

Now we should stop following the European country with the highest level of vaccinations (and our closest neighbour).

FYI niallo27, Germany are currently stricter than us on the stringency index.

niallo27 · 13-06-2021 06:06PM

Graham wrote: »

Yes, Boris keeps talking about it.

He's even talking about it as he talks about pushing the dates back while they talk about the Delta variant.

You think we should follow suit and talk about relaxing restrictions while pushing back the reopening dates?

Are you honestly comparing the UK who want to reopen everything to us where you can't even have a burger inside. We are so ****en far apart from the UK. Why not compare us with France, Spain, Denmark Portugal, Italy.

charlie14 · 13-06-2021 06:10PM

niallo27 wrote: »

Why not compare us with France or germany like you did fee weeks back, it's always the worst case scenario. Everything is moving at a snails pace here, how could we possibly delay moving to a stage which is already last in Europe.

I did, and I pointed out what happens when you get it wrong just two months ago with both. Re-imposed lockdowns.
You might be happy going back to that. Personally I prefer us moving further away from that possibility.

Graham · 13-06-2021 06:10PM

niallo27 wrote: »

Are you honestly comparing the UK who want to reopen everything to us where you can't even have a burger inside. We are so ****en far apart from the UK. Why not compare us with France, Spain, Denmark Portugal, Italy.

lol, what no Germany now?

All countries 'want' to reopen everything including Ireland. Why would you think otherwise.

As an aside, I suspect I'd soon be facing less restrictions than you were we to adopt their approach. That would make for interesting posts.

charlie14 · 13-06-2021 06:15PM

niallo27 wrote: »

Are you honestly comparing the UK who want to reopen everything to us where you can't even have a burger inside. We are so ****en far apart from the UK. Why not compare us with France, Spain, Denmark Portugal, Italy.

What is it you cannot get about us planning to reopen everything as well similar to the U.K on a phased basis.
BTW. in Denmark you cannot get a burger inside unless you have a vaccine passport. You cannot enter any business without one. Even a hairdresser.

niallo27 · 13-06-2021 06:17PM

Graham wrote: »

lol, what no Germany now?

All countries 'want' to reopen everything including Ireland. Why would you think otherwise.

As an aside, I suspect I'd soon be facing less restrictions than you were we to adopt their approach. That would make for interesting posts.

So you think the rest of Europe is wrong in their approach, can I take that from your post.

Klonker · 13-06-2021 06:18PM

charlie14 wrote: »

Well we have seen examples of that from countries some here still believe we should be following. Germany and France both got it wrong on reopening and had to reimpose restrictions and curfews two months ago.
If that is what you would be happy with, good for you. For myself I would prefer not going back into that cycle.

Lets compare us to France and Germany so. Both eased restrictions early in the year, had to reverse for short period, now have eased further and are well ahead of Ireland in reopening.

Ireland just stayed in lockdown the whole time.

Yes I'd 100% rather be Germany and France. What is so wrong about being ambitious, needing to take a step back and them move forward again rather than hiding under a rock until its all over. I just can't understand this argument thats thrown out time and time again here and by the government. Like it would make sense if now France and Germany were behind us on their reopening because of their early easing and then reimposing of restrictions but they're not, they're still well ahead of us. It makes no sense and doesn't matter how many times it's repeated it still won't make sense.

Graham · 13-06-2021 06:21PM

niallo27 wrote: »

So you think the rest of Europe is wrong in their approach, can I take that from your post.

I can't stop you if you really want to imagine I posted something I hadn't.

Graham · 13-06-2021 06:22PM

Klonker wrote: »

Lets compare us to France and Germany so. Both eased restrictions early in the year, had to reverse for short period, now have eased further and are well ahead of Ireland in reopening.

Germany is stricter than us in the stringency index.

Personally I'd have no issue with the German approach to allowing indoor dining for vaccinated individuals.

I'm not sure many of our population would be happy to discover they suddenly require tests/vaccination certs to continue doing things they're already doing.

niallo27 · 13-06-2021 06:27PM

Graham wrote: »

lol, what no Germany now?

All countries 'want' to reopen everything including Ireland. Why would you think otherwise.

As an aside, I suspect I'd soon be facing less restrictions than you were we to adopt their approach. That would make for interesting posts.[/QUOTE]

Could you clarify what you mean by this comment so please.

niallo27 · 13-06-2021 06:28PM

Graham wrote: »

Germany is stricter than us in the stringency index.

Personally I'd have no issue with the German approach to allowing indoor dining for vaccinated individuals.

I'm not sure many of our population would be happy to discover they suddenly require tests/vaccination certs to continue doing things they're already doing.

You do realise indoor dining is closed here don't you.

Klonker · 13-06-2021 06:29PM

Graham wrote: »

Germany is stricter than us in the stringency index.

Personally I'd have no issue with the German approach to allowing indoor dining for vaccinated individuals.

I'm not sure many of our population would be happy to discover they suddenly require tests/vaccination certs to continue doing things they're already doing.

So you'd be happy for diners to use one of those 'snake oil' antigen tests would you? I like the way you left the antigen tests out when you mentioned vaccinated people

And yes I would rather that. How is indoor dining for nobody better than indoor dining for some? I just don't think our government would have the capacity to implement such a policy though :pac:

And as Niall pointed out, we are not already doing these things. No vaccine or tests needed for outdoor dining in Germany.

Klonker · 13-06-2021 06:31PM

niallo27 wrote: »

You do realise indoor dining is closed here don't you.

Don't you know that indoor dining for some is worse than no indoor dining for anyone? We must be too stupid to understand it though but I'm sure the more knowledgeable posters here will explain it to us

niallo27 · 13-06-2021 06:34PM

The UK was the test case, the first country in Europe to test the vaccines and their efficency, we know they work. Why do we need to copy them if we they are the guinea pigs for Europe.

Graham · 13-06-2021 06:38PM

niallo27 wrote: »

The UK was the test case, the first country in Europe to test the vaccines and their efficency, we know they work.

I'm curious.

If the UK are the test case and they're slowing down their reopening what would you take from that 'test'?

Graham · 13-06-2021 06:41PM

Klonker wrote: »

And as Niall pointed out, we are not already doing these things. No vaccine or tests needed for outdoor dining in Germany.

Aren't vaccination certs/test required for outdoor dining still required in some regions of Germany?

Maybe that changed this weekend. I know they were intending to catch up with us in most regions around now.

niallo27 · 13-06-2021 06:43PM

Graham wrote: »

I'm curious.

If the UK are the test case and they're slowing down their reopening what would you take from that 'test'?

Nothing confirmed yet, you do realise the last stage is no restrictions, I feel this is going over your head.

iamwhoiam · 13-06-2021 06:44PM

Graham wrote: »

Aren't vaccination certs/test required for outdoor dining still required in some regions of Germany?

Maybe that changed this weekend. I know they were intending to catch up with us in most regions around now.

I have a friend in Berlin . Kids in school only 2/3 days a week . No online teaching . They need antigen tests going into non essential shops and for dining outdoors unless fully vaccinated .

Graham · 13-06-2021 06:46PM

niallo27 wrote: »

Nothing confirmed yet, you do realise the last stage is no restrictions, I feel this is going over your head.

One of us is confused, I don't think it's me.

The last stage for every country is no restrictions.

Graham · 13-06-2021 06:47PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

I have a friend in Berlin . Kids in school only 2/3 days a week . No online teaching . They need antigen tests going into non essential shops and for dining outdoors unless fully vaccinated .

I thought there were still many regions like that, thanks.

It's a different approach, not sure I'd call it more/less restrictive as some suggest it's just a different type of restriction.

I guess it's less restrictive for the vaccinated, more restrictive for the rest of the population.

Klonker · 13-06-2021 06:49PM

I'd have absolutely no problem taking an antigen test to do anything. If I was working in an office I'd have no problem taking one 5 days a week. Its not the people here that have a problem with antigen tests, it's NPHET. I think they're great, they can help get a lot of industries back up and running properly, particularly travel and live events.

gozunda · 13-06-2021 06:54PM

niallo27 wrote: »

Other countries across Europe with same vaccination levels are miles ahead of us in terms of crowds, do you think personally they are using experts to make these decisions.

I've no idea tbh.

But you're saying we should do exactly what everyone else is doing regardless?

And funny thing is we're miles ahead compared to our nearest European neighbours in terms of low infection and death rates .Do you think they should copy us? What you think? That said think the general idea is to keep it that way until we get the majority vaccinated. And no that doesn’t mean restrictions aren't being rolled back. They are..

And thats where we're at...

Genre.. · 13-06-2021 06:55PM

Graham wrote: »

One of us is confused, I don't think it's me.

The last stage for every country is no restrictions.

And the first

Don't forget that

Back at the begining of all this

Graham · 13-06-2021 06:56PM

Klonker wrote: »

Its not the people here that have a problem with antigen tests, it's NPHET.

Thank you spokesperson for 'the people here'

Like I said, it's just a different approach. I wouldn't class it as less restrictive.

I've no doubt plenty would have a problem with needing tests for outdoor dining or non-essential retail now but obviously I can't speak for everyone

gozunda · 13-06-2021 07:00PM

Genre.. wrote: »

And the first

Don't forget that

Back at the begining of all this

Was one of these little fekers - allegedly...

Genre.. · 13-06-2021 07:01PM

gozunda wrote: »

Was one of these little fekers - allegedly...

Is that one of the antigens I keep hearing about

niallo27 · 13-06-2021 07:02PM

gozunda wrote: »

So your saying we should do exactly what everyone else is doing regardless?

And funny thing is we're miles ahead compared to our nearest European neighbours in terms of low infection and death rates .Do you think they should copy us? What you think? That said think the general idea is to keep it that way until we get the majority vaccinated. And no that doesn’t mean restrictions aren't being rolled back. They are..

And thats where we're at...

I'll put that on the list of what nobody said, what requirements do you think they are using compared to us, I asked Graham and he hadn't a clue what was going on.

niallo27 · 13-06-2021 07:04PM

People do realise that most of germany requires no antigen tests and they are all planning their holidays right now.

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