Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XI Read OP For Mod Warnings

Graham · 13-06-2021 01:43PM

niallo27 wrote: »

Other countries across Europe with same vaccination levels are miles ahead of us in terms of crowds, do you think personally they are using experts to make these decisions.

different countries are relaxing different restrictions at different times.

niallo27 · 13-06-2021 01:49PM

Graham wrote: »

different countries are relaxing different restrictions at different times.

Would you not think it perfectly fair of us to ask why countries with similar vaccination levels and older populations are relaxing a lot quicker than us or should we just be happy we are opening no matter how slow it is.

Rayne Wooney · 13-06-2021 01:53PM

I think we’ll get to July and they’ll accelerate a lot of the restrictions to try and cover the fact we’ve needlessly written off the whole month of June.

12 Euro counties are already using the Green Cert system, we’re down for the 19 of July to start this, 5 weeks behind.

Ireland’s decision makers and health officials are ahead of the curve by keeping us in last position apparently.

Europe reopens: Spain, France, Denmark and Greece welcome tourists
https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.cnn.com/travel/amp/pandemic-travel-news-spain-france-denmark-greece/index.html

“Ireland, which has had one of Europe's strictest lockdowns, will reopen to the EU, UK and US on July 19. Non-EU unvaccinated travelers will have to arrive with a negative test, then self-quarantine until they take a second post-arrival test”

Graham · 13-06-2021 01:57PM

niallo27 wrote: »

Would you not think it perfectly fair of us to ask why countries with similar vaccination levels and older populations are relaxing a lot quicker than us or should we just be happy we are opening no matter how slow it is.

ask away.

It doesn't change the fact. Different countries are opening different things at different times with different conditions/requirements.

Our nearest neighbours already look like they might have an issue that we have so far avoided. A measured reopening while vaccinations continue strikes me as a sensible approach.

niallo27 · 13-06-2021 02:04PM

Graham wrote: »

ask away.

It doesn't change the fact. Different countries are opening different things at different times with different conditions/requirements.

Our nearest neighbours already look like they might have an issue that we have so far avoided. A measured reopening while vaccinations continue strikes me as a sensible approach.

Any idea of the conditions/requirements that we are using here that have so far behind. Our vaccination levels are good, we have a young population, one of only a few that have mandatory quarantine, coming out of a really long lockdown, longer than any other European countries. All these factors should have us one of the quickest at reopening not the slowest do you not think.

Graham · 13-06-2021 02:06PM

niallo27 wrote: »

All these factors should have us one of the quickest at reopening not the slowest do you not think.

I guess if you ignore what's happening in the UK you could argue that.

niallo27 · 13-06-2021 02:14PM

Graham wrote: »

I guess if you ignore what's happening in the UK you could argue that.

Hang on our plan was before the delta variant was an issue in the UK, are the UK rolling back restrictions.

charlie14 · 13-06-2021 02:34PM

niallo27 wrote: »

Hang on our plan was before the delta variant was an issue in the UK, are the UK rolling back restrictions.

So was the U.K.`s plan, but now because of the delta variant there is some doubt as to them going to the next stage of reopening.

Genre.. · 13-06-2021 02:35PM

charlie14 wrote: »

So was the U.K.`s plan, but now because of the delta variant there is some doubt as to them going to the next stage of reopening.

The UKs plan was more of a political announcement than a plan

Boris grandstanding on covid

MOR316 · 13-06-2021 02:38PM

I'm all for different opinions. It makes for great debate.

But, that "concert" in the Iveagh Gardens the other night was pathetic and an insult to artists. There's no other way of dressing it up.

charlie14 · 13-06-2021 02:38PM

Genre.. wrote: »

The UKs plan was more of a political announcement than a plan

Boris grandstanding on covid

A lot of grandstanding relating vaccines to Brexit alright, but in fairness they have four tests that have to be passed before moving to the next stage. Two in relation to vaccines and two on hospitalisations.

gozunda · 13-06-2021 03:12PM

daydorunrun wrote: »

I’m no expert- but that fact doesn’t preclude me from having an opinion. That event was pretty pathetic- but I won’t, and haven’t lost any sleep over it.

Ironic that you are accusing others of being experts when you are one of those posters who carries an air of authority in every single post!

Oh miaow! But no simply was skit on all the OTT comments. So no need to go over the edge is there?

But hey thanks - I never know I carried "an air of authority"

Tbf though I think that says more about your posts than mine :pac:

gozunda · 13-06-2021 03:26PM

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

I think we’ll get to July and they’ll accelerate a lot of the restrictions to try and cover the fact we’ve needlessly written off the whole month of June.

12 Euro counties are already using the Green Cert system, we’re down for the 19 of July to start this, 5 weeks behind.

Ireland’s decision makers and health officials are ahead of the curve by keeping us in last position apparently.

Europe reopens: Spain, France, Denmark and Greece welcome tourists
https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.cnn.com/travel/amp/pandemic-travel-news-spain-france-denmark-greece/index.html

“Ireland, which has had one of Europe's strictest lockdowns, will reopen to the EU, UK and US on July 19. Non-EU unvaccinated travelers will have to arrive with a negative test, then self-quarantine until they take a second post-arrival test”

First highlighted bit. So the majority of EU countries are not using Green Cert System atm. Ok.

Second bit. Are you somehow suggesting that those who are Non EU and unvaccinated should be allowed to arrive here regardless. How that work?

Klonker · 13-06-2021 04:50PM

Graham wrote: »

ask away.

It doesn't change the fact. Different countries are opening different things at different times with different conditions/requirements.

Our nearest neighbours already look like they might have an issue that we have so far avoided. A measured reopening while vaccinations continue strikes me as a sensible approach.

This is your logic on the UK remaining a bit longer in their current level:

Country A announces all restrictions will be removed in June. Country B announces all restrictions will be removed in September. Country A later announces the June deadline won't be meet and instead all restrictions won't be eased until July. Country B, who will be in restrictions until September, "jaysus, I'd hate to be country A right now".

Doesn't matter how many times you repeat it, it makes no sense and to be honest I think you know this yourself though you can't back down at this stage

Graham · 13-06-2021 04:58PM

Klonker wrote: »

it makes no sense and to be honest I think you know this yourself though you can't back down at this stage

I understand it doesn't make sense to you that different countries are opening different things at different times with varying levels of restrictions/requirement..

I don't expect that to change.

charlie14 · 13-06-2021 05:03PM

Klonker wrote: »

This is your logic on the UK remaining a bit longer in their current level:

Country A announces all restrictions will be removed in June. Country B announces all restrictions will be removed in September. Country A later announces the June deadline won't be meet and instead all restrictions won't be eased until July. Country B, who will be in restrictions until September, "jaysus, I'd hate to be country A right now".

Doesn't matter how many times you repeat it, it makes no sense and to be honest I think you know this yourself though you can't back down at this stage

Did I miss that there was some doubt as to Ireland moving to the next level of reopening in a few weeks time ?
Far as I know it is in the U.K. where that is in doubt.

niallo27 · 13-06-2021 05:11PM

Graham wrote: »

I understand it doesn't make sense to you that different countries are opening different things at different times with varying levels of restrictions/requirement..

I don't expect that to change.

What are the requirements here, I doubt you will answer but I'll ask again anyway.

Klonker · 13-06-2021 05:19PM

Graham wrote: »

I understand it doesn't make sense to you that different countries are opening different things at different times with varying levels of restrictions/requirement..

I don't expect that to change.

Point me to the other EU country (similar vaccine rates) that has either of; nationwide closure of indoor dining? fines for leaving the country for non essential reasons? Nationwide closure of outdoor dining until June? No driving lessons or tests for non essential workers? Only allowing 200 at matches but only if capacity is 5,000+?

You can pretend it's give and take with restrictions but it's not, Ireland are at the bottom every single time. If you support our over the top restrictions just say it. If you did actuualy support them you wouldn't be on here pretending there on a level with everyone else. That's why I don't really think you do suppose them

Graham · 13-06-2021 05:19PM

niallo27 wrote: »

What are the requirements here, I doubt you will answer but I'll ask again anyway.

Because if I don't then you think it somehow invalidates the assertion that individual countries have individual requirements?

Klonker · 13-06-2021 05:19PM

charlie14 wrote: »

Did I miss that there was some doubt as to Ireland moving to the next level of reopening in a few weeks time ?
Far as I know it is in the U.K. where that is in doubt.

Not sure what's confusing you about my post mate.

niallo27 · 13-06-2021 05:24PM

Graham wrote: »

Because if I don't then you think it somehow invalidates the assertion that individual countries have individual requirements?

No because you dodge questions here the whole time, so what are our requirements here or do you know because I the requirements I think do not make sense in regard to other countries in our position.

Graham · 13-06-2021 05:29PM

niallo27 wrote: »

No because you dodge questions here the whole time, so what are our requirements here or do you know because I the requirements I think do not make sense in regard to other countries in our position.

I'm sure you're aware they're not published as can be said of pretty much every other country.

Trying to point score because someone can't reel off unpublished information is just odd.

charlie14 · 13-06-2021 05:30PM

Klonker wrote: »

Not sure what's confusing you about my post mate.

I thought it was pretty obvious. Unlike the U.K. there is no mention I have heard of us not moving to the next level of reopening. Unlike the U.K. which has the highest level of vaccinations in Europe.

niallo27 · 13-06-2021 05:39PM

Graham wrote: »

I'm sure you're aware they're not published as can be said of pretty much every other country.

Trying to point score because someone can't reel off unpublished information is just odd.

I'm not trying to point score at all, so we are being locked down because of requirements that are not public and nearly every other country in Europe has less severe restrictions because of requirements that are also not public. Are you not a bit curious why our requirements are so much higher.

Klonker · 13-06-2021 05:41PM

charlie14 wrote: »

I thought it was pretty obvious. Unlike the U.K. there is no mention I have heard of us not moving to the next level of reopening. Unlike the U.K. which has the highest level of vaccinations in Europe.

Poster was making out its better not to have ambitious easing of restrictions in case they need to be delayed (like UK. Poster was making the point its better to have way over the top, unnecessary restrictions that go on months too long but won't need to be delayed (like Ireland).

niallo27 · 13-06-2021 05:44PM

charlie14 wrote: »

I thought it was pretty obvious. Unlike the U.K. there is no mention I have heard of us not moving to the next level of reopening. Unlike the U.K. which has the highest level of vaccinations in Europe.

The UK are talking about removing all restrictions, we don't even that on a plan. Nobody has even mentioned it in nphet or government.

Graham · 13-06-2021 05:49PM

niallo27 wrote: »

I'm not trying to point score at all, so we are being locked down because of requirements that are not public

Like the requirements in pretty much every other country.

niallo27 wrote: »

every other country in Europe has less severe restrictions because of requirements that are also not public. Are you not a bit curious why our requirements are so much higher.

Curious, yes.

At the same time I can see what's happening in the UK, the European leader in terms of vaccinations and they're back peddling. We could well end up overtaking them in terms of relaxing restrictions.

Why are the UK talking about pushing back? One of the main reasons is to allow more people to be vaccinated.

What does that tell you?

charlie14 · 13-06-2021 05:54PM

niallo27 wrote: »

The UK are talking about removing all restrictions, we don't even that on a plan. Nobody has even mentioned it in nphet or government.

The U.K. have been lifting restrictions on a phased basis. Same as we have been doing. It`s not as if they lifted all restrictions in one go.
There are now doubts that they will move to their next stage of reopening, even though they have the highest levels of vaccinations in Europe. I have heard nothing that even suggest we will not be moving to our next stage of reopening.

niallo27 · 13-06-2021 05:55PM

Graham wrote: »

Like the requirements in pretty much every other country.

Curious, yes.

At the same time I can see what's happening in the UK, the European leader in terms of vaccinations and they're back peddling. We could well end up overtaking them in terms of relaxing restrictions.

Why are the UK talking about pushing back? One of the main reasons is to allow more people to be vaccinated.

What does that tell you?

They are talking about removing all restrictions, everything. That's not even on any plan here. Least you admit your curious, I'm also curious but obviously bothers me more than you.

Graham · 13-06-2021 05:57PM

niallo27 wrote: »

They are talking about removing all restrictions, everything.

Yes, Boris keeps talking about it.

He's even talking about it as he talks about pushing the dates back while they talk about the Delta variant.

You think we should follow suit and talk about relaxing restrictions while pushing back the reopening dates?

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