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The Handmaid's Tale - Hulu Original (**Spoilers**)

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    #1262
    Slydice
    Registered Users Posts: 10,501 ✭✭✭✭Slydice


    top o the wiki page:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Handmaid's_Tale_(TV_series)
    In December 2020, ahead of the fourth season premiere, the series was renewed for a fifth season.


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    #1263
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users Posts: 16,124 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    I am watching on RTE so it’s episode 2 I think
    I have to watch it pre recorded and fast forward the torture scenes . Gratuitous torture now in my opinion and unpleasant watching


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    #1264
    daheadonu
    Registered Users Posts: 252 ✭✭daheadonu


    Was hoping myself that this word be the last and then two seasons covering the testaments,I think that would wrap it up nicely.

    Dont know what else they can do with june


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    #1265
    julyjane
    Registered Users Posts: 1,060 ✭✭✭julyjane


    The Testaments is set 15 years after The Handmaids Tale so if they want to they can write season after season to fill in the blanks.


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    #1266
    Galwayguy35
    Registered Users Posts: 16,415 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    I'm at RTE pace but it just seems to be they capture her, she escapes, captured again and now has escaped once more.

    Was hoping the train would have got Janine, she is kind of annnoying.


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    #1267
    extra gravy
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    The scene with June and Serena, was short but bloody hell :eek:
    Best episode of the season so far I thought.


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    #1268
    dark crystal
    Registered Users Posts: 10,962 ✭✭✭✭dark crystal


    I've found this season to be rather ponderous and slow moving, was hoping we'd see more of the rebellion, rather than
    June being extricated to Canada away from all the action.

    I'm also having major Aunt Lydia withdrawals at this stage...Ann Dowd is such a commanding presence in this series, I genuinely miss her scenes.

    Still liking the show, but I'm getting somewhat frustrated as to where the storyline is headed. It was great seeing
    June and Serena's scenes together
    , very cathartic, however somewhat ruined by
    the rape scene between June and Luke
    afterwards. I guess it was meant to portray June claiming some sexual agency back, but it just came off as uncomfortable and creepy. You get the impression the way she was describing Serena to the embassador guy was really what she has become, or is becoming, herself.


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    #1269
    fritzelly
    Registered Users Posts: 17,353 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    dark crystal wrote: »
    I'm also having major Aunt Lydia withdrawals at this stage...Ann Dowd is such a commanding presence in this series, I genuinely miss her scenes.

    Yeah - she is definitely a driving force in the enjoyment of the show


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    #1270
    extra gravy
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    dark crystal wrote: »
    You get the impression the way she was describing Serena to the embassador guy was really what she has become, or is becoming, herself.

    Yeah, I thought this too.
    The rage she spoke of was very evident in the scene with Serena. And will Luke want this damaged version of June...


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    #1271
    Sudden Valley
    Registered Users Posts: 4,043 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    I dont know if the show can remain interesting with practically everyone in Canada. They should have pivoted and tried to create a new main character perhaps involved in the resistance in Gilead rather than remain focussed on the June storyline which has got less interesting every episode.
    Was wondering what the scene of the two muslim girls in their headgear in the supermarket represented. I guess they looked like handmaids and that was the extent of it.


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    #1272
    Galwayguy35
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    Finding it very slow this season, the 2 of them spending most of the episode swimming in milk wasn't very exciting, hoping it picks up a bit.


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    #1273
    castletownman
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    Galwayguy35 wrote: »
    I'm at RTE pace but it just seems to be they capture her, she escapes, captured again and now has escaped once more.

    Was hoping the train would have got Janine, she is kind of annnoying.

    One thing the show can't be faulted for is it's use of music. One of the best shows ever in that regard.

    Radiohead was so chilling for that scene. Amazing.


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    #1274
    Slydice
    Registered Users Posts: 10,501 ✭✭✭✭Slydice


    4.7: Felt like two temperatures in the episode..
    gradual warming to the point in the hotel where June and Luke were reassuring each other.. and then cooling to the raw point at the end there.
    Slydice wrote: »
    or maybe they're pivoting more into the Fred and Serena story.
    seems like it

    also this from earlier:
    Slydice wrote: »
    I'm making a guess that they are building up to a big war scene
    Canada to fall maybe..


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    #1275
    Effects
    Registered Users Posts: 9,760 ✭✭✭Effects


    Galwayguy35 wrote: »
    Wonder will they wrap it up this season or has it been renewed?

    They'll keep going with it as long as people are watching the garbage.

    Hopefully Elisabeth Moss will want to move on to something better and they'll have no option but to finish it. Or maybe just continue without her, like Rick Grimes in Walking Dead.


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    #1276
    Sleepy
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    The writers seem to have it in mind that "being angry" is enough of a role for the lead character at this point. It isn't. For June to be a protagonist, she needs agency. Whether that's as simple as organising funding for the resistance in Canada while coming to terms with her trauma or going commando and leading teams into Gillead to try and rescue more civilians she needs to be doing *something* more than having angry rants to justify the supercilious smirk at the end of the episode. So far, she's only managed to rant and make others share her anger. All that anger is useless unless it's focused into action.

    As it stands? Gillead are winning. June may have escaped to Canada to a community of refugees but she's not really doing anything to hurt Gillead from there. Her testimony may help convict the Waterfords but Gilead is arguably better off without Fred and Serena and will no doubt leave them to whatever punishment the Canadian / International courts give them.

    I'm also curious as to where they're all getting the money to live on while carrying out their "activism" - presumably all assets in formerly American institutions and legal systems would have been lost to the new state - yet they're all busy working away as volunteers and driving around in cars etc. I mean, the Canadians are a famously nice people but I can't imagine them simply giving money to the presumably large number of US citizens that would have fled across their border during the civil war that resulted in the foundation of Gilead...


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    #1277
    Slydice
    Registered Users Posts: 10,501 ✭✭✭✭Slydice


    4.8: Hrrmmmm.. watching
    Junes testimony and I was like.. if Gilead get a copy of this.. that's a lot of people just been thrown under the bus. Not sure what's going to happen to Janine. Felt like they flagged up Aunt Irene killing herself with the music they used on the car ride out to her. Anyway, now I'm wondering if the story is aiming to a June kills the Waterfords or the Gilead invasion of Canada.


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    #1278
    bodhrandude
    Registered Users Posts: 12,465 ✭✭✭✭bodhrandude


    Can't remember the episode if it was 7 or 8
    but When they all go out shopping in the supermarket, for some mad reason with June I started thinking of Deutschland 83. the first episode has the East German agent in a West German supermarket gobsmacked by all the products on offer. I suppose in some ways Gilead's supermarkets were a bit more akin to East German ones or other communist states in the eighties. I just knew too, that June was going to lift something off a shelf and imagine a handmaid, before the two muslim girls passed.

    If you want to get into it, you got to get out of it. (Hawkwind 1982)



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    #1279
    Agent Coulson
    Registered Users Posts: 60,456 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    Now that ending sets up June going to war!


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    #1280
    Shelga
    Registered Users Posts: 3,003 ✭✭✭Shelga


    Sleepy wrote: »
    The writers seem to have it in mind that "being angry" is enough of a role for the lead character at this point. It isn't. For June to be a protagonist, she needs agency. Whether that's as simple as organising funding for the resistance in Canada while coming to terms with her trauma or going commando and leading teams into Gillead to try and rescue more civilians she needs to be doing *something* more than having angry rants to justify the supercilious smirk at the end of the episode. So far, she's only managed to rant and make others share her anger. All that anger is useless unless it's focused into action.

    I disagree. I think this season is doing a great job of portraying the molten anger that stems from trauma, and how it just sits in you and makes you want to smash an entire house up, but you need to feel it. There is nowhere for it to go, that's the whole point.

    I'm really liking this season and am so glad
    June has left Gilead.

    Two things I don't understand though:
    1. Why do Fred and Serena get to be in "prison" in what looks like a spacious 4 star hotel suite?! It's actually kind of sickening.

    2. Why does June stick with the name Nichole for the baby? She relented in a moment of extremely rare pity for Serena, as that was what she had named her. That's clearly shot to shit now, so how come it's not back to Holly?


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    #1281
    sunbeam
    Registered Users Posts: 1,811 ✭✭✭sunbeam


    Because
    the baby's father is Nick


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    #1282
    ejmaztec
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    Fred spilling the beans will probably turn the tables on the Gilead regime, if June doesn't kill him first


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    #1283
    fritzelly
    Registered Users Posts: 17,353 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    I love Aunt Lydia but I hope she has a horrible death by the end


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    #1284
    bodhrandude
    Registered Users Posts: 12,465 ✭✭✭✭bodhrandude


    I think this season is brilliant, Moss does it again with an unbelievable performance in episode 9, who is playing in the out credits, it sounds like Autechre.

    If you want to get into it, you got to get out of it. (Hawkwind 1982)



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    #1285
    Sleepy
    Registered Users Posts: 24,176 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    Shelga wrote: »
    I disagree. I think this season is doing a great job of portraying the molten anger that stems from trauma, and how it just sits in you and makes you want to smash an entire house up, but you need to feel it. There is nowhere for it to go, that's the whole point.
    Directionless rage might be a realistic response to trauma but it makes for a pretty boring story.

    Focusing her rage into the motivation for June to fight back in some meaningful way (as she was trying to do while still in Gilead) gives license for the prolonged storytelling of a multi-series show. If she's not going to funnel that rage into action, they may as well finish the show with a "and they all lived unhappily ever after" card unless they're prepared to kill her off and / or switch focus to other characters.


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    #1286
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users Posts: 16,124 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    Watching on RTE so June has just arrived in Canada .One thing that struck me was June apologising to Luke that she couldnt save Hannah and had left her in Gilead .But Luke himself left Gilead and Hannah and June behind and went to Canada.No sign of him feeling guity or apologise ?


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    #1287
    rainbowtrout
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    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    Watching on RTE so June has just arrived in Canada .One thing that struck me was June apologising to Luke that she couldnt save Hannah and had left her in Gilead .But Luke himself left Gilead and Hannah and June behind and went to Canada.No sign of him feeling guity or apologise ?

    That’s struck me too. He was just annoying me standing there looking at her. I can’t warm to him as her husband.

    Also in the previous episode where he was complaining that June didn’t want to leave Gilead, it all seemed very self centred.


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    #1288
    Stark
    Registered Users Posts: 20,949 ✭✭✭✭Stark


    Luke didn't appear much in the book but he was never meant to be a particularly nice character. In the book it's mentioned that he seemed pretty happy to have control over Offred ("Offred"'s real name never appears in the book) in the early days of the Gilead takeover.


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    #1289
    Galwayguy35
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    Last nights episode was the most boring one ever, they need to get a bit of action going and not one long tear fest between herself and Moira.


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    #1290
    rainbowtrout
    Registered Users Posts: 15,382 ✭✭✭✭rainbowtrout


    Galwayguy35 wrote: »
    Last nights episode was the most boring one ever, they need to get a bit of action going and not one long tear fest between herself and Moira.

    You can’t have violence and torture every week. Episodes are needed as a breather from that, and also to build other aspects of the characters.


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    #1291
    ejmaztec
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    rainbowtrout wrote: »
    You can’t have violence and torture every week. Episodes are needed as a breather from that, and also to build other aspects of the characters.


    I get the impression that the fighting has quietened down to the point of victory for Gilead, given what Glen? said to Fred about not needing warhorses anymore, and the hierarchy not being interested in getting him out of Canada.


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