What are your views on Multiculturalism in Ireland? - Threadbanned User List in OP

05-06-2021 8:44am

Strumms wrote: »

What is the driver of multiculturalism ? Immigration.

Actually, I'd say that politics is the driver of multiculturalism. Immigration is just the method.

kildare lad · 05-06-2021 9:14am

Patrick2010 wrote: »

Roderick O Gorman estimates that the cost of supplying own door accommodation to asylum seekers after DP ends will be 1 to 2 billion a year, funded by the taxpayer. Imagine what that could do if it was invested in improving our health,education services etc

Does that include or exclude social welfare payments on top of the free house ? Where's the big demand from Irish people to house migrants because I haven't heard it. It's seems to be politicans and NGOs calling for it , no one else. I can't imagine anyone paying astronomical rent , who can't afford a mortgage, being to happy seeing ministers hell bent on giving migrants free houses while theyre stuck in the rental trap for the forseeable future.

There's not one politicial party in Ireland who cares about the Irish taxpayer . Whether it's be those clowns in power allowing foreign vulture funds and investors a free reign to buy up property to rent , while paying f all tax. Then you've eoin o Brion wanting public land in Dublin to be used for housing asylum seekers, which will end up as ghettos as they do everywhere else in the world . I know a few sinners and can't imagine it being a popular with grass root supporters . The politicans are so far removed from the ordinary man , it's a disgrace . I hope a political party comes along some day that actually cares about Irish people

Piriz · 05-06-2021 9:24am

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

8, 584 replies to this thread.....thats 215 pages by my settings

and still not a single pro immigration poster has answered the most basic simple question that has been asked by multiple others.
so I will ask it again

What are the benefits of Multiculturalism ?

I am genuinely curious to know why some people still think this is a good idea when it clearly has been an absolute failure in the UK , Germany, France, and almost all of western europe, and make no mistake will be an absolute failure here.

So could one of the pro immigration posters who seem so convinced of their argument explain to us others what are the benefits.

simple: a more diverse gene pool !

TomTomTim · 05-06-2021 9:36am

Piriz wrote: »

simple: a more diverse gene pool !

And stuff like this

A New York-based psychiatrist who was invited by Yale University to give a talk titled Psychopathic Problem of the White Mind told the audience that she had fantasized about 'unloading a revolver into the head of any white person' who got in her way.

Dr Aruna Khilanani, who runs her own practice in Manhattan, delivered the talk virtually to medical students and faculty back in April after being invited by Yale School of Medicine's Child Study Center.

Audio of her 50-minute lecture was published on journalist Bari Weiss' Substack blog on Friday.

Khilanani, who has previously taught at Cornell, Columbia and New York universities, made a series of stunning comments during her talk that was largely based on the psychology behind 'whiteness'.

This is both deeply ironic, and a great example of pure projection.

crooked cockney villain · 05-06-2021 10:16am

While it has always been blatantly obvious that people who are all refugees welcome, end DP, open borders, BLM, prounoun wielding, while it has always been clear that these people are absolute morons with the cognitive reasoning of a clump of knob cheese, their inability to navigate even day to day life without their stupidity coming back to bite them on the hole seems to be coming to the fore more recently.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sasha_Johnson

Rants and raves about police brutality, of the free my people from your prisons mindset. Gets herself shot in the head at a party by exactly the type of people she wants kept out of the hands of police

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_London_Bridge_stabbing#Victims

Victim was a Corbyn voting leftie who dedicated his time to working on outreach programmes for Islamists.

And yesterday I read this doozie.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9652319/Death-charity-worker-28-prevented-inquest-told.html

Miss Roper worked for the Welsh Refugee Council charity and was chairwoman of Young Socialists Cardiff.

Socialism and quangos really just seem to attract a certain type.

Add that to the weekly brainfarts and racially divisive rhetoric from Diane Abbott, Ruth "unarmed except for a knife" Coppinger, Hazel Chu and all the rest, and it's quite clear a lot of the resentment from these very angry people stems from the fact that they usually have the intellectual ability of a corpse.

Wibbs · 05-06-2021 10:25am

Piriz wrote: »

simple: a more diverse gene pool !

Actually that's not nearly so simple at all. Different populations can have positive and negative genes in the mix. Plus that assumes mixing occurs in the first place to the degree it affects the wider population. The general rule is that people end up having children with those most like them, whether that be educational standards, social class, culture and yes "race". In the US IIRC interracial couples make up around 10% of the population and within that that are differences and trends. EG there are more White and Asian couples than White and African American. Asian and African American is rarer again.

Some groups mix readily enough, others don't, even within their own populations. EG in some UK South Asian demographics they have higher genetic damage because of the culture of cousin marriages.

But again this "diverse gene pool" thing is another example of the exoticism angle as a positive in this political philosophy. The positives always come down to exoticism and charity, with a local flavour of "the Irish were immigrants once".

TomTomTim · 05-06-2021 11:14am

crooked cockney villain wrote: »

While it has always been blatantly obvious that people who are all refugees welcome, end DP, open borders, BLM, prounoun wielding, while it has always been clear that these people are absolute morons with the cognitive reasoning of a clump of knob cheese, their inability to navigate even day to day life without their stupidity coming back to bite them on the hole seems to be coming to the fore more recently.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sasha_Johnson

Rants and raves about police brutality, of the free my people from your prisons mindset. Gets herself shot in the head at a party by exactly the type of people she wants kept out of the hands of police

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_London_Bridge_stabbing#Victims

Victim was a Corbyn voting leftie who dedicated his time to working on outreach programmes for Islamists.

And yesterday I read this doozie.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9652319/Death-charity-worker-28-prevented-inquest-told.html

Socialism and quangos really just seem to attract a certain type.

Add that to the weekly brainfarts and racially divisive rhetoric from Diane Abbott, Ruth "unarmed except for a knife" Coppinger, Hazel Chu and all the rest, and it's quite clear a lot of the resentment from these very angry people stems from the fact that they usually have the intellectual ability of a corpse.

Investigators told Avon Coroner's Court that the warning label above the window - a yellow sticker with the words 'caution do not lean out of window when train is moving' was not a sufficient deterrent.

We're really not getting any smarter are we?

Kermit.de.frog · 05-06-2021 9:53pm

In the movie 'Idiocracy' the narrative is that the poor uneducated people will breed most making society collectively dumber over time.

It seems to be the opposite that is happening. Most 'millennials' and those born since who need this ever increasing hand holding and protection from the big bad world are not poor and are, supposedly, educated.

There is a short circuit in the system somewhere.

Cordell · 05-06-2021 10:38pm

Yes, it's the decline of the western civilization, barbarians at the gate, only this time we're not afraid of them but we're afraid of ourselves.

McHardcore · 05-06-2021 11:01pm

Wlbbs wrote: »

Of the ban and cards handed out on this very thread, the vast majority of them have been handed out to posters on the pro multicultural side.

If you are going to keep peddling this fact on the posters in this thread, at least pick one that is not easily disproven. The list of banned users is given on the first page. A simple search of their posts shows that only a third of them are pro-multicultural. The majority of the banned users share the same view as yourself.

05-06-2021 11:10pm

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

In the movie 'Idiocracy' the narrative is that the poor uneducated people will breed most making society collectively dumber over time.

It seems to be the opposite that is happening. Most 'millennials' and those born since who need this ever increasing hand holding and protection from the big bad world are not poor and are, supposedly, educated.

There is a short circuit in the system somewhere.

World fertility rates are crashing at an unprecedented rate. The overall fertility rate in sub-Saharan Africa is still huge but is falling there as well. The worldwide drop in the last decade is something to behold and hard to figure out exactly. From East Asia to India, the Middle East and the Americas we are seeing rapid declines.

06-06-2021 12:51am

McHardcore wrote: »

If you are going to keep peddling this fact on the posters in this thread, at least pick one that is not easily disproven. The list of banned users is given on the first page. A simple search of their posts shows that only a third of them are pro-multicultural. The majority of the banned users share the same view as yourself.

I'm curious... you say that Wibbs keeps peddling this fact/opinion about the thread.. how many times has he done so? (Since peddling would suggest that he's bringing it up often)

As for the thread-ban list, I'm pretty sure the list was added well after the thread had started or wasn't updated much for a good while. There are names who were banned and aren't on the list, plus there's quite a few people who were banned but got their bans lifted (myself included). I wouldn't take that list as gospel for those who have been banned.

06-06-2021 12:55am

Deleted User wrote: »

World fertility rates are crashing at an unprecedented rate. The overall fertility rate in sub-Saharan Africa is still huge but is falling there as well. The worldwide drop in the last decade is something to behold and hard to figure out exactly. From East Asia to India, the Middle East and the Americas we are seeing rapid declines.

I saw a report on the effect that plastic (the chemicals used in the creation of plastic), and how it's interacting with our own biology.. do some searches.. there's some very interesting research on how plastic and other common day materials could be affecting our ability to reproduce.

And then there's pollution. China is a great example of the effects of pollution on a population and it's impact on fertility.

pauly58 · 06-06-2021 4:20pm

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-9648477/Author-visited-Muslim-mosques-Britain-reveals-no-areas-white-men.html#reader-comments

Look how well things have gone in the UK.

wes · 06-06-2021 4:28pm

pauly58 wrote: »

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-9648477/Author-visited-Muslim-mosques-Britain-reveals-no-areas-white-men.html#reader-comments

Look how well things have gone in the UK.

The Daily Mail didn't think one of those places was a no go area last month:
https://twitter.com/BrownBauer/status/1401502039079895041?s=20

Hotspots in the outskirts! Posh and leafy Manchester suburb of Didsbury is now the most popular place for hunting buyers

****ing laughable people still peddling this no go area crap, the Daily Mail does this every couple of years. People from those area's mock them relentlessly on social media, pointing out they are full of crap, and this time round the daily mail from last month proves them wrong.

Honestly, the Daily Mail is racist rag, and can't be taken seriously.

jmreire · 06-06-2021 4:33pm

Deleted User wrote: »

I saw a report on the effect that plastic (the chemicals used in the creation of plastic), and how it's interacting with our own biology.. do some searches.. there's some very interesting research on how plastic and other common day materials could be affecting our ability to reproduce.

And then there's pollution. China is a great example of the effects of pollution on a population and it's impact on fertility.

Something radically wrong when you see China raising the children nrs from two to three per family.

06-06-2021 4:51pm

jmreire wrote: »

Something radically wrong when you see China raising the children nrs from two to three per family.

Not really. The Child limit wasn't seriously enforced since the 90s, especially in the countryside. You can find families all over China with 5 or 6 children grown to adulthood. There are many, and I mean many, ways to officially gain permission to have more than one or two children (even after birth).. although in some provinces/districts the bans were more seriously enforced due to past problems with overpopulation.

The CCP are trying to grant more benefits and freedom to Chinese people without giving up any real power. So, they'll grant permissions for bigger families, even though most women don't want more than one child.. while also reducing freedoms in another area.

They do have a problem with a declining population, but they also have a lot, and i mean a lot, of new children being born too. Kindergarten schools keep popping up everywhere, and few of them close because of a lack of students...

But at the same time, fertility clinics are also popping up everywhere, and there's a lot of talk about erectile dysfunction, along with a loss of fertility for women. I've been around a few conversations with Chinese friends, who were either parents themselves, or doctors/nurses, talking about this and the problems many couples are having to trying to get pregnant. Although then again, there was a real story, of a couple who had anal sex for 6 years, wondering why they couldn't get pregnant... sex ed is rather frowned upon, and there's a lot of innocence/ignorance around by many people on the overall process. Biology teachers in schools tend to be female, and due to culture, are uncomfortable with the topic of sex and reproduction, so they often just skip the topic entirely. I once had a student, in all honesty, tell me that she believed that women could get pregnant from pollen in the air, because that's what her grandmother had told her.

06-06-2021 10:05pm

Looking at recently released CSO figures, almost 200,000 nett immigrants into Ireland between 2014-2019.

This gives us one the highest immigration rates of any country in the world. Absolutely ridiculous the levels that are being allowed into this country every year.

https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/fp/fp-miads/migrationestimatesforirelandfromadministrativedatasources2014-2020/

Justin Credible Darts · 07-06-2021 2:53am

Deleted User wrote: »

Looking at recently released CSO figures, almost 200,000 nett immigrants into Ireland between 2014-2019.

This gives us one the highest immigration rates of any country in the world. Absolutely ridiculous the levels that are being allowed into this country every year.

https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/fp/fp-miads/migrationestimatesforirelandfromadministrativedatasources2014-2020/

the only ones that getting any "benefits" .

Kaybaykwah · 07-06-2021 3:04am

Deleted User wrote: »

Not really.

Biology teachers in schools tend to be female, and due to culture, are uncomfortable with the topic of sex and reproduction, so they often just skip the topic entirely. I once had a student, in all honesty, tell me that she believed that women could get pregnant from pollen in the air, because that's what her grandmother had told her.

I think you misunderstood, she probably meant balling "in there".

07-06-2021 7:01am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Looking at recently released CSO figures, almost 200,000 nett immigrants into Ireland between 2014-2019.

This gives us one the highest immigration rates of any country in the world. Absolutely ridiculous the levels that are being allowed into this country every year.

https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/fp/fp-miads/migrationestimatesforirelandfromadministrativedatasources2014-2020/

200,000 over 6 years
Approx 33K more per year entered the country, then left the country?
It doesn't seem like a lot.

07-06-2021 7:32am

pauly58 wrote: »

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-9648477/Author-visited-Muslim-mosques-Britain-reveals-no-areas-white-men.html#reader-comments

Look how well things have gone in the UK.

Ah yeah, Glasgow and Edinburgh as a no go zone for white people.

Daily Mail readers just look at the pictures.

07-06-2021 8:17am

bubblypop wrote: »

200,000 over 6 years
Approx 33K more per year entered the country, then left the country?
It doesn't seem like a lot.

We have created the equivalent of 3 new Galway Cities in the space of 5 years through nett immigration.

It's an absolute breath taking speed of change. Unmatched by almost every other country in the world. A tiny segment of Irish society are making out like bandits because of this, namely those connected to the building trade, colleges, landlords, politicians etc.

kildare lad · 07-06-2021 9:24am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

We have created the equivalent of 3 new Galway Cities in the space of 5 years through nett immigration.

It's an absolute breath taking speed of change. Unmatched by almost every other country in the world. A tiny segment of Irish society are making out like bandits because of this, namely those connected to the building trade, colleges, landlords, politicians etc.

The Irish population has grown by 1.2 million in the last 20 years , it went from 3.7 million to 4.9 million since 2000 . We've a major housing crisis , health systems a shambles , overcrowded classrooms, we've limp wristed politicians who're letting foreign corporations/vulture funds rape the Irish people , also during the last recession we lost many hard working Irish people my age to immigration who've decided not to come home. I've four cousins who left that aren't coming back , all hard working , tax paying residents in their new home countries. We're 200+ billion in debt . We need to stop taking in people that can't support themselves from now on . They're should be no migrants getting social housing or hap, we can't keep adding to the debt just because people in power think Ireland's too white . If people coming here can't support themselves and pay their own accomodation and children , well I'm sorry the door should be shut.

07-06-2021 10:29am

kildare lad wrote: »

They're should be no migrants getting social housing or hap, we can't keep adding to the debt just because people in power think Ireland's too white

I don't remember exactly but there was some poster that linked Dublin city council lists earlier, Bosnians I believe were high on the waiting list, I guess in receipt of HAP.
Do you think just non white migrants should be illegible, or white immigrants also? Because this sentence seems to give the impression that it is non whites you are referring to?

Wibbs · 07-06-2021 10:36am

McHardcore wrote: »

If you are going to keep peddling this fact on the posters in this thread, at least pick one that is not easily disproven. The list of banned users is given on the first page. A simple search of their posts shows that only a third of them are pro-multicultural. The majority of the banned users share the same view as yourself.

Threadbanned users. If you're very bored - and lord knows you'd have to be very bored

- go through the thread and look for cards and forum bans(though a few posts ended up being deleted).

But OK let's take your position as it stands and say it's only a third that are pro-multicultural. What's the percentage of pro-multicultural posters on this thread? It's certainly not a third. The vast majority are anti to some degree. Even from your tally the pro side are still overrepresented.

Which is a pity as early on I really did expect a far more robust defence of the position. That for me has been the biggest surprise of all from this thread. Especially given it seems to be such an accepted and apparently obvious and promoted truth. Instead the overwhelming bulk of the pro multicultural defence has consisted of exoticism, charity, the Irish were migrants, a blanket "sure it's great isn't it" with precisely nada offered to back that up, wild claims that Ireland was always "multicultural" and a large dollop of nothing to see here, carry on. Then we have seen tangents hardly germane to the debate, the throwing around of the racist tag, all the way to attacking the posters not the posts.

In short; it's odd that for such a heartfelt truth that multiculturalism is such a positive, the antis have provided a more robust defence of their position and are less likely to run to deflection and insult. This may suggest it's not such a defensible positive after all. It would be my opinion that it became an accepted truth because of existing multicultural societies(mostly ex European colonies) trying to paper over the mess they found themselves in by painting it as a positive if we only worked harder at it.

Wibbs · 07-06-2021 10:46am

Deleted User wrote: »

World fertility rates are crashing at an unprecedented rate. The overall fertility rate in sub-Saharan Africa is still huge but is falling there as well. The worldwide drop in the last decade is something to behold and hard to figure out exactly. From East Asia to India, the Middle East and the Americas we are seeing rapid declines.

As well as a possible environmental cuase that Klaz referenced, much of it is down to the world in general getting richer and women gaining equality in access to education and employment, but also more and more people are becoming time poor. We're settling down and having families at later ages, so you get fewer kids because the window is narrower and the costs are going up per child.

Deleted User wrote: »

They do have a problem with a declining population, but they also have a lot, and i mean a lot, of new children being born too. Kindergarten schools keep popping up everywhere, and few of them close because of a lack of students...

They're facing a big problem in demographics. https://worldview.stratfor.com/article/china-unprecedented-demographic-problem-takes-shape Which is why they're relaxing the rule. The demographic of young and cheap labour that was a major part of their success over the last quarter century are getting older and want more money for their labours naturally enough. China is in danger of getting old before it gets rich.

07-06-2021 10:54am

Wibbs wrote: »

Which is a pity as early on I really did expect a far more robust defence of the position. That for me has been the biggest surprise of all from this thread. Especially given it seems to be such an accepted and apparently obvious and promoted truth.

And that is the reason there is no robust defence.
Because people don't feel the need to, it is accepted and most people don't have any issue with multiculturalism. So, no need therefore to defend it.
The only people who feel so strongly are anti, so they need to point out what they see as negative points.
If you are happy with something, it doesn't particularly raise any emotion either way, it just is.

Even though this particular thread appears to be far more of an anti asylum seeker thread than anything else.

07-06-2021 10:55am

Wibbs wrote: »

As well as a possible environmental cuase that Klaz referenced, much of it is down to the world in general getting richer and women gaining equality in access to education and employment, but also more and more people are becoming time poor. We're settling down and having families at later ages, so you get fewer kids because the window is narrower and the costs are going up per child.

Ya, agreed with all that. I've been studying demographics for years, it's a fascinating topic and realistically one that is very hard to be perfectly accurate on. Some of the official Census Bureau of America's predictions just over a decade or so ago had America reaching 450 million by 2050/2060, there is a possibility now that they top out at 340/350 million.

The Middle East is another fascinating region and one that doesn't line up with most people's preconceptions.

Stories of low sperm counts are appearing now as well as a possible concern throughout the world

TomTomTim · 07-06-2021 11:10am

bubblypop wrote: »

And that is the reason there is no robust defence.
Because people don't feel the need to, it is accepted and most people don't have any issue with multiculturalism. So, no need therefore to defend it.
The only people who feel so strongly are anti, so they need to point out what they see as negative points.
If you are happy with something, it doesn't particularly raise any emotion either way, it just is.

Even though this particular thread appears to be far more of an anti asylum seeker thread than anything else.

I hate posts like this more than anything. While I wouldn't rush to say that there's many people against immigration, you're quick to do the opposite. You've no way of knowing the support levels for immigration, yet you make these claims boldly, without evidence. It's not one bit rational, because you simply don't have any way to measure it accurately. On top of that, Ireland is in the early stages of the process, revolt, if there is any, won't happen for another ten years or so.

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