F1 2021 Round 6: Azerbaijan GP

A bit childish from Verstappen.

Should be an interesting race tomorrow to say the least. Hamilton win I'd say.

This is it wrote: »

What did Max say? Had to turn off. Will try grab a video of it later

He said "I'm sick of this sh1t". Referring to red flags.

titan18 wrote: »

Tbh, these red flags ending qualifications should be changed and put a better system in place. I do think it's absolutely bs that a driver can get pole early and someone else makes a mistake preventing others from challenging it. Or the worse version of the driver themselves causing the red flag on purpose.

It's a very rare occurrence. It happened 2 races in a row which is extremely unlikely. But they were both strreet circuits and Monaco is completely unsuitable for f1. So thensolutuon would be to stop going to stupid tracks which produce this kind of thing.

PsychoPete wrote: »

In fairness he's a racing driver so there's the mentality to be number one and the fastest if that doesn't happen then of course he's going to be angry and frustrated

Should have got his lap in earlier. It was close to a certainty there'd be flags given 3 reds had happened to that point and they were all on top of each other at the end.

The best thing about this , is how close the times were for the cars.

Even in Q2 back to 13th what was it 0.6s of gap .

anyone from 1-8 could have potentially grabbed pole .

last year we were looking at p5 been a second off the front

Faugheen wrote: »

It shouldn't be about being a lesser of two evils.

What Hamilton did at Monaco and Max today is perfectly normal for a racing driver, but it's only acceptable/passable for one driver to do it while the other one is called a 'f*cking dick' or 'a little bitch'.

Max was complaining about red flags. Should they wait for him to finish his lap? Why is that acceptable but Hamilton being annoyed at his team isn't?

Is getting angry at an event, and being angry at your team not slightly different?

Gotta feel sorry for Bottas. Gave Lewis a big tow that got him 2nd on the grid. Then when it came to his turn the red flags came out. The guy has no luck at all.

Faugheen wrote: »

Neither did Hamilton in Monaco, but they both threw the toys out of the pram when it didn't go their way.

People need to learn to read on this forum. Both threw the toys out of the pram when it didn't go their way. One is called a bitch and a dick, the other gets a pass when he is very well known for having a whinge himself.

It's consistency, or the lack thereof. It's nothing to do with a driving throwing the toys out of the pram it's just a sheer unnecessary hatred for one driver which is why people here pretend to give a **** when Hamilton does it.

Max said an event in the race was sh**, Hamilton pretty much said he was better than everyone on his team because he had nothing to learn but the team did. Huge difference and yes that kind of stuff does make him a major d**k.

The exact same way when verstappen described himself as someone with special needs everyone slated him.

I don't know what your fascination is with Hamilton but the constant whinging when people that are not fans of his call him out on stuff is as irritating as Hamilton himself.

Reminds me of the "leave Brittany alone" video

If the F2 sprint race is anything to go by tomorrow will be crazy. 2 safety cars in the first 6 laps so far!

3 place penalty for Lando, starts 9th.

Faugheen wrote: »

Neither did Hamilton in Monaco (EDIT: Say anything controversial), but they both threw the toys out of the pram when it didn't go their way.

People need to learn to read on this forum. Both threw the toys out of the pram when it didn't go their way. One is called a bitch and a dick, the other gets a pass when he is very well known for having a whinge himself.

It's consistency, or the lack thereof. It's nothing to do with a driving throwing the toys out of the pram it's just a sheer unnecessary hatred for one driver which is why people here pretend to give a **** when Hamilton does it.

They are 2 different things, though. Drivers complain all the time about things outside of their control - this season I think nearly everyone has rightly had a pop at Mazepin, for example.

Lewis has form for admonishing his team publicly. He's the best driver on the grid, and has the might of the biggest F1 team all working to the singular goal of giving him the best chance to win races - but it's still sport, and there will always be things that won't go to plan. No reason after the race last week for him to say that they need to learn and he doesn't. He drove poorly all weekend, Bottas showed the Merc still had decent pace around the track but he couldn't find it. Just be a teammate and say we got it wrong and we have to work on it.

Interestingly Max I used to find to be a lot more petulant and arrogant, and I couldn't stand him for it. This season he seems a lot more mature, takes the good and the bad as a team. Barcelona was a good example, you could hear how frustrated he was as the team basically got their strategy completely wrong and he had no chance of winning it - but by the end of the race there was no wringing anyone out to dry. I sincerely doubt Lewis would have reacted that way.

So you might want to simplify things to create a false equivalency, but I can understand some of the things Lewis does rubbing people the wrong way.

There is a thread for this separate to the race thread .

Can ye take the Lewis stuff over there. It wrecks threads every season

Should be an eventful race anyway, bonkers qualifying session.

Alonso (the world's worst whinger) is also lashing out after qualifying, a lot more strongly than Max was.

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.alonso-blasts-rivals-for-driving-over-their-abilities-and-says-its-unfair.X5spE79vhNMvv5p3w6NEv.html

Fernando Alonso outqualified team mate Esteban Ocon and made it into Q3 in Azerbaijan for the first time ever, but the Spaniard wasn’t entirely happy on Saturday evening, blaming a ‘messy’ stop-start qualifying session on some of his rivals "driving over the possibilities of their car or their abilities".
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“It was very chaotic, it was a messy qualifying,” he said. “Four red flags… that was difficult to get into the rhythm on the qualifying pace, on the track improvement, on the grip conditions that you get on Saturday. It’s the same for everybody, so you just try to adapt quicker.

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"[It's] unfair probably that the people that crashed, they repair the car and they start in that position tomorrow.

"All the other cars, we are in parc ferme until tomorrow, we cannot touch the car, so why they can change all the parts that they caused the red flag? Maybe one day we are in that position and we take advantage of the rule.

"I think the people need to calm down a little bit and drive 98% in a street circuit because if you crash and you start last in the race, maybe you don't drive over your possibilities.

"And I think today with so many people driving over the possibilities of their car or their abilities."

There probably should be a penalty of some sort. They are hardly going to use the tires from the accidents and front wings .. one place penalty for each change .

Would probably be fair or something to that affect .

This feels like the race where Verstappen and Hamilton wipe each other out into turn 1

Burkie1203 wrote: »

Hamilton on the inside. Max to get around the outside to go Side by side and Collision in turn 2

Good chance that Leclerc and Hamilton touch also. Leclerc’s not going to give an inch into turn 1.

both this race an monaco have no place on the F1 calander. all were gona see today is flags. ad the odd overtake on the back straight. its all gona be done in the pits. pointless.

Nozebleed wrote: »

both this race an monaco have no place on the F1 calander. all were gona see today is flags. ad the odd overtake on the back straight. its all gona be done in the pits. pointless.

Other than both being street circuits, Monaco and Baku couldn't be any more different. One is narrow and twisty with no straights or any overtaking zones, the other is massively wide (except for the castle section) with a gigantic flat out main straight. There'll be plenty of overtaking today. And surely drivers need to be challenged, make a mistake and you're in the wall. Not like other circuits with massive run off areas which are much more forgiving of mistakes.

You can also pretty much guarantee a safety car (especially as they’re sponsored now), so the timing of that could’ve decide the race. Hamilton and Ferrari have apparently both sacrificed tyre wear for straight-line speed, so a cheap pit-stop will be very welcomed at any point. But if the RBs are kinder on their tyres, they can perhaps stay out longer and wait for a safety car.

Ferrari are not changing Sainz's gearbox, they changed as much as they could according to Carlos.