Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny

Wedwood · 24-05-2021 11:03pm

pixelburp wrote: »

Putting down the pitchforks for Crystal Skull for a second, there's an interesting point to extrapolate between it and other blockbusters from Spielberg around this time & later. Crystal Skull, The BFG, Ready Player One; they have been pretty bloody poor all told, arguably going a long way to suggest Spielberg neither has the interest or the chops for big blockbuster entertainment anymore. His strongest films have been the smaller, human dramas. It doesn't forgive Crystal Skull but does add some context IMO.

Spielberg indicated he wanted to do more serious movies after Schindler’s List. He’d been infamously snubbed as best director by the Oscars over the years prior to 1993’s Schindler’s List, despite year after year of smash hit movies throughout the 70s and 80s.

His other movie of 1993 was Jurassic Park which I often think was his last great blockbuster movie. He hasn’t made any really bad movies since, but they haven’t hit the heights of his first 20 years. Oddly enough, Crystal Skull, despite all the criticism, is probably his most financially successful movie since Jurassic Park.

johnny_ultimate · 24-05-2021 11:16pm

I dunno about ‘no really bad movies’, BFG and Ready Player One are fairly stinky career nadirs IMO.

pixelburp · 25-05-2021 12:57am

Then of course there's Hook. Even Spielberg himself acknowledged that Hook was the worst. There's a weird counter opinion springing up from people who loved it as a kid, but they're wrong. It's an ugly, terrible misstep; moreso than the equally self-revilled (IIRC) 1942

FunLover18 · 25-05-2021 1:04am

pixelburp wrote: »

Then of course there's Hook. Even Spielberg himself acknowledged that Hook was the worst. There's a weird counter opinion springing up from people who loved it as a kid, but they're wrong. It's an ugly, terrible misstep; moreso than the equally self-revilled (IIRC) 1942

I loved it as a kid but yeh having rewatched it recently, it's a mess. I still enjoy elements of it.

Viscount Aggro · 25-05-2021 6:13am

Filming in Dalkey this summer. Coliemore harbour.

Kunta Kinte · 25-05-2021 8:56am

pixelburp wrote: »

Then of course there's Hook. Even Spielberg himself acknowledged that Hook was the worst. There's a weird counter opinion springing up from people who loved it as a kid, but they're wrong. It's an ugly, terrible misstep; moreso than the equally self-revilled (IIRC) 1942

1941.

Kingp35 · 25-05-2021 9:46am

Viscount Aggro wrote: »

Filming in Dalkey this summer. Coliemore harbour.

Where did you hear that?

silverharp · 25-05-2021 10:06am

Kingp35 wrote: »

Where did you hear that?

Is it a Young Indiana Jones reference? if so there would be a scene where he walks past the GPO and makes some deja vu comment :pac:

Viscount Aggro · 25-05-2021 6:06pm

Kingp35 wrote: »

Where did you hear that?

Its on IMDB.com

Look up the film,Indiana Jones 5
Filming locations.

They have kept it quiet so far.

pixelburp · 25-05-2021 8:12pm

IMDB is user generated so I wouldn't hold it as gospel TBH. Not least for the immediate, obvious question to start with: I'd the film industry open again in Ireland? The UK, yes. But has Ireland allowed productions to start again?

Viscount Aggro · 25-05-2021 8:16pm

pixelburp wrote: »

IMDB is user generated so I wouldn't hold it as gospel TBH. Not least for the immediate, obvious question to start with: I'd the film industry open again in Ireland? The UK, yes. But has Ireland allowed productions to start again?

People who post on Boards are unreliable.
Read the IMDB website.

py2006 · 25-05-2021 8:55pm

Apparently a film about a giant lizard called Gorgo was filmed there too! wtf

pixelburp · 25-05-2021 9:01pm

Viscount Aggro wrote: »

People who post on Boards are unreliable.
Read the IMDB website.

Uhm ok, sure?. Just pointing out IMDb can't always be taken as true, but obviously cool if they are indeed filming. Though like I said, I hadn't heard if film productions had started again so would be a good first point to confirm any validity of the info.

py2006 · 25-05-2021 9:09pm

pixelburp wrote: »

Uhm ok, sure?. Just pointing out IMDb can't always be taken as true, but obviously cool if they are indeed filming. Though like I said, I hadn't heard if film productions had started again so would be a good first point to confirm any validity of the info.

Isn't your one from Modern Family posting on social media that she is in Luttrellstown castle filming?

CastorTroy · 25-05-2021 10:11pm

Yeah they're filming that new Disney series, Epic

Kingp35 · 26-05-2021 9:42am

py2006 wrote: »

Apparently a film about a giant lizard called Gorgo was filmed there too! wtf

I added that to IMDB

Yeah it was filmed in Coliemore Harbour. Godzilla knock off movie.

There's works just started in the harbour to fix part of a collapsed wall but I'd imagine it will be well fixed if/when they shoot there.

silverharp · 26-05-2021 9:59am

it seems an odd location, they are filming in Scotland as well, there are any number of small harbours to film there

py2006 · 26-05-2021 11:58am

silverharp wrote: »

it seems an odd location, they are filming in Scotland as well, there are any number of small harbours to film there

It might only be a 5 sec scene of a boat arriving and you wouldn't even know its Ireland.

py2006 · 26-05-2021 11:58am

Kingp35 wrote: »

I added that to IMDB Yeah it was filmed in Coliemore Harbour. Godzilla knock off movie.

There's works just started in the harbour to fix part of a collapsed wall but I'd imagine it will be well fixed if/when they shoot there.

Thats mad, I didn't know you could add stuff to IMDB

Wedwood · 31-05-2021 11:34pm

Set photos of a castle in Scotland doing the rounds, looks like they may finally actually be going to make this movie.

pixelburp · 01-06-2021 2:39pm

Harrison Ford's in that neck of the woods too, potentially confirming that whatever's being filmed, it's to feature the main man himself. He looks well for his age TBH:

https://www.instagram.com/p/CPY5_LgLyxJ

FunLover18 · 01-06-2021 3:31pm

Presumably there'll be some sort of tribute to Henry Jones Snr.

Big Gerry · 02-06-2021 10:50pm

Ash.J.Williams · 02-06-2021 10:56pm

FunLover18 wrote: »

Presumably there'll be some sort of tribute to Henry Jones Snr.

No none whatsoever, Richard Dreyfus has been cast

py2006 · 02-06-2021 11:37pm

I said it before and I will say it again, Spielberg leaving speaks VOLUMES!

Big Gerry · 03-06-2021 2:59pm

py2006 wrote: »

I said it before and I will say it again, Spielberg leaving speaks VOLUMES!

I think that's more to do with the allegations against Spielberg than the film its self.

The Black Oil · 03-06-2021 3:02pm

Big Gerry wrote: »

I think that's more to do with the allegations against Spielberg than the film its self.

What would this be now?

Big Gerry · 03-06-2021 3:09pm

The Black Oil wrote: »

What would this be now?

Allegations in regard to Spielberg's daughter its all over the internet.

CalamariFritti · 03-06-2021 3:13pm

Just googled it there. Whats that got to do with him?

MrStuffins · 03-06-2021 3:14pm

Big Gerry wrote: »

Allegations in regard to Spielberg's daughter its all over the internet.

Let me guess, these accusations can be found on the same sites that accused him of being behind the death of the girl from Poltergeist and who also claim Harrison Ford has a tremendous fear of stamps and instead of a mouth, he has four ar*es?

pixelburp · 03-06-2021 3:18pm

WTF is this segue? Spielberg isn't directing because after Crystal Skull, why would he? At this stage only Ford is interested in Indy while Lucas / Spielberg have moved on. And it's clear enough from his latterday CV that Spielberg's heart & interest simply isn't in blockbuster filmmaking anymore. He seems to have fully pivoted to "serious drama" mode these days, his brief detours into blockbusters total flops

johnny_ultimate · 03-06-2021 3:25pm

As much as I like classic Spielberg, after a long stretch of bad and mediocre films his absence gives this more of a chance of being decent (even with a relatively workmanlike director taking his place).

Mr Crispy · 03-06-2021 5:04pm

I'd gain a lot more respect for Ford if he insisted on his character being killed off in this yoke too.

pixelburp · 03-06-2021 5:21pm

Watched that first set-piece from Crystal Skull, up to and including the infamous Fridge moment and you know what? Disregard the CGI gophers for a second and it's up there with the best of Indy IMO. It had a phenomenally strong, exciting pace; the stakes and danger always in motion. Yes, the nuke scene was silly but ... I dunno. Not _that_ silly against the franchise as a whole.

The film definitely went off the boil in a major way once the film left the United States, but even when I saw it in the cinema thought the Area 51 scenes were pretty good. Watching it again and that doesn't seem like rose tinted spectacles. Had forgotten how much convenient shadow was used though, masking the obvious stuntman replacing old man Ford

Duckworth_Luas · 04-06-2021 12:41am

Mr Crispy wrote: »

I'd gain a lot more respect for Ford if he insisted on his character being killed off in this yoke too.

I don't think that's possible due to Lucas' Indian Jones canon.

I'm not very knowledgeable on this but I believe that the TV show is considered every bit as valid in the Indiana Jones universe as the movies.

For that reason Jones can't be killed off until he is in his 90s, plus he has to lose an eye and gain a daughter before then.

Wedwood · 04-06-2021 1:36am

pixelburp wrote: »

Watched that first set-piece from Crystal Skull, up to and including the infamous Fridge moment and you know what? Disregard the CGI gophers for a second and it's up there with the best of Indy IMO. It had a phenomenally strong, exciting pace; the stakes and danger always in motion. Yes, the nuke scene was silly but ... I dunno. Not _that_ silly against the franchise as a whole.

The film definitely went off the boil in a major way once the film left the United States, but even when I saw it in the cinema thought the Area 51 scenes were pretty good. Watching it again and that doesn't seem like rose tinted spectacles. Had forgotten how much convenient shadow was used though, masking the obvious stuntman replacing old man Ford

When I first saw Crystal Skull in the cinema, I actually enjoyed it, it felt like one final lap around the block for an old movie hero and it’s fans and it was an epilogue to the original trilogy before Spielberg, Ford and Lucas finally retired.

Unfortunately, today’s anti Lucas trolls decided to have a mass diva tantrum that persists today and don’t seem to realise this movie wasn’t actually made for them, it was made for us kids of the 80’s. Yeah, the movie was the worst of the 4, but who seriously thought it would reach the heights of the original movies?

Ironically, those same trolls have now brought about a situation where we’re getting another epilogue movie. Hopefully, it’ll do for Indiana Jones what Rocky Balboa did for the Rocky movies and finish the series on a high note.

johnny_ultimate · 04-06-2021 9:39am

I thoroughly enjoy Crystal Skull until they end up in the enemy camp around halfway through. It really goes off a cliff after that - quite literally - but the first half totally captures the essence and playfulness of the series.

I’m perhaps misremembering, but always associate that dumb South Park episode being a marked shift in how many people talked about it. Felt like a point where much of the disappointment (and I’m not for a second suggesting many people didn’t like it first time around) became outright, meme-loaded vitriol. Between that SP episode and various web videos about other popular franchises, there was an increase in the ‘they ruined my childhood!!!’ level of discourse.

Drumpot · 04-06-2021 9:57am

Wedwood wrote: »

When I first saw Crystal Skull in the cinema, I actually enjoyed it, it felt like one final lap around the block for an old movie hero and it’s fans and it was an epilogue to the original trilogy before Spielberg, Ford and Lucas finally retired.

Unfortunately, today’s anti Lucas trolls decided to have a mass diva tantrum that persists today and don’t seem to realise this movie wasn’t actually made for them, it was made for us kids of the 80’s. Yeah, the movie was the worst of the 4, but who seriously thought it would reach the heights of the original movies?

Ironically, those same trolls have now brought about a situation where we’re getting another epilogue movie. Hopefully, it’ll do for Indiana Jones what Rocky Balboa did for the Rocky movies and finish the series on a high note.

Agree totally, Balboa was excellent and showed you can respect the original and merge with new. Was probably better then all but the first and maybe second in that franchise.

Also agree that some people are quite poor at reflecting on why they actually dislike something. Does Drumpot at 10 view modern movies the same way as Drumpot in his 40s? Not a chance, but people do not seem to get it. When I look back at some stuff from 80s/90s I still have rose tinted glasses and enjoy quite flawed elements of movies from that era. But I remember how I felt when I saw them so it sort of pastes over the flaws.

Modern Aliens, Star Wars or other franchise movies do not do the same thing for me, because how could they ? Is a middle aged man going to connect with a girl half his age , going around the universe saving everybody in the same way a young boy can relate to a boy becoming an adult in a scary world , trying to find his place ? Of course it will resonate more with me. I do think the older movies had more charm, better characters and more heart, but it didnt anger me like some of the more toxic stuff you read.

I am older then the adult characters in these movies, when I was younger I nearly looked up to the hero's and marveled at the villain's. Now I just try to enjoy the ride whereas some go into "did we really need this" rabbit hole and ruin the movies before they even come out.

I flicked on the "captain America" movie trailer from 1990 and my children laughed. I told them that was the level of quality of most of the super hero movies (Condor Man!). Star wars was quite unique and was only out ever 3 years. Indiana Jones and Bond similarly. Now we have top quality movies to compete from DC/Marvel and Bourne movies, mission impossible movies, even middle budget quality alternatives (edge of Tomorrow) and that doesn't even begin to look at television which is going through a golden age of quality. We are saturated with stuff , almost spoilt.

Suppose I have gone off a bit. But I try to watch certain movies through child Drumpot eyes. Part of that is not caring about the cynical reason a movie is being made and just focusing on what we get and trying to enjoy what I can from all movies. I really dont mind them making 20 Indiana Jones or Aliens movies if they want and if they are good. I enjoyed the new Aliens movies, beautifully made and good horror movies on their own. Didnt so much enjoy Crystal Skull , but that doesnt stop me watching or enjoying the older movies.

On a totally seperate point, watched all Predator movies with one of my sons and he thinks the original one is the best. He also thinks the Adrien Brody one is the second best, I would agree with that assessment. I am not sad they made the other ones , I actually have fond memories of pred 2 because I got a bootleg copy on video when it was out . .

pixelburp · 04-06-2021 10:03am

johnny_ultimate wrote: »

I thoroughly enjoy Crystal Skull until they end up in the enemy camp around halfway through. It really goes off a cliff after that - quite literally - but the first half totally captures the essence and playfulness of the series.

I’m perhaps misremembering, but always associate that dumb South Park episode being a marked shift in how many people talked about it. Felt like a point where much of the disappointment (and I’m not for a second suggesting many people didn’t like it first time around) became outright, meme-loaded vitriol. Between that SP episode and various web videos about other popular franchises, there was an increase in the ‘they ruined my childhood!!!’ level of discourse.

No you're remembering right. South Park had that stupid episode and suddenly it became cool and funny to joke about how irredeemably awful Crystal Skull was; trotting out the "ruined my childhood" whinge that in hindsight, arguably, paved the way for corporations' more slavish indulgence for "fans" and remakes.

But yeah. Word of mouth sank the movie, alongside the cutesy rephrasing of "jump the shark" with "nuke the fridge" and the like. Crystal Skull ain't a masterpiece but its first half is damn good if given a serious chance. Mutt was the obvious millstone around the scripts neck, the character as confused as LeBeoufs performance was off-key.

Tony EH · 04-06-2021 10:43am

The first half was ok. But it really is a pretty terrible movie when all things are considered. I don't think I've met anyone in the real world that would rate it.

MisterAnarchy · 04-06-2021 10:46am

I've only watched The Crystal Skull once because it was so bad on first viewing.

Casting Shia LeBoeuf as his son and Cate Blanchett as the villian hamstrung the film from the off.
It never had a chance after that.

pixelburp · 04-06-2021 11:04am

Tony EH wrote: »

The first half was ok. But it really is a pretty terrible movie when all things are considered. I don't think I've met anyone in the real world that would rate it.

I'd rate it a 6/10 movie, but mostly a case of the reputation and screaming nowhere near reflective of the final product. The flaws were structural as a flawed film, not heretical to the series' being.

Which makes me wonder now if Indy will still be married on number 5, if Karen Allen might return.

04-06-2021 11:04am

Oh god, I actually blanked that LaBoeuf was in this!!!

Tony EH · 04-06-2021 11:38am

pixelburp wrote: »

I'd rate it a 6/10 movie, but mostly a case of the reputation and screaming nowhere near reflective of the final product. The flaws were structural as a flawed film, not heretical to the series' being.

Which makes me wonder now if Indy will still be married on number 5, if Karen Allen might return.

I probably rated it higher when I first saw it. But there's no way I could go to 6 now. To me a 6 is a slightly above average film. Not great, not mediocre.

Crystal Skull doesn't deserve that TBH. Irrespective of all the stolen childhoods and all that jazz (that actually started with George Lucas' prequels), it still isn't a good film by any stretch. To me it's the wrong side of a 5. There's a bit of stuff in there to like. But over all, it's an incredibly disappointing film.

I'm honestly completely unsurprised that Spielberg wants none of it and is happy with a "producer" effort. But that's the least of Indy V's potential worries. The biggest issue is Ford, his age, and the fact that Jones pretty much belongs in the 30's. Bringing him into a more modern era isn't very appetising.

But as I've always said, and we disagree on this, Indiana Jones died in 1984. So, to me there's not much hope of anything good coming out of this in any respect.

If it can turn out to be even watchable, I'd count that as a win of sorts.

CastorTroy · 04-06-2021 2:57pm

Duckworth_Luas wrote: »

For that reason Jones can't be killed off until he is in his 90s, plus he has to lose an eye and gain a daughter before then.

Mutt to get a sex change?

pixelburp · 04-06-2021 3:11pm

These days I hate using the word, but are those TV adventures even "canon" anymore, insofar as the series has any?

buried · 04-06-2021 3:30pm

One of the major and often overlooked problems in the fourth one is the total lack of a weighty occult narrative that is based on the stories and the myths of ancient history. 'Raiders of The Lost Ark' has massive displays of these themes. 'Temple of Doom', as fantastically exotic as it is, still has a good dose, it being set amongst a secret cult of Thuggee worshippers of the Goddess Kali. 'Last Crusade' also has it with the medieval legend of the holy grail. Kingdom skull's themes and mythos are largely based on aliens, UFO's, area 51 etc. Themes that do not have the weight of ancient or occult mysteries attached to them, but themes that are only culturally recent and also heavily attached to the realms and subject of science fiction.

The heavy occult narrative and subliminal imagery that exists in 'Raiders of The lost Ark' is extremely important to the structure and success of that film. The scene with the army intelligence coming to the university for example, that is how you do supreme exposition in mythical storytelling. Add the spine tingling and ghostly music right in time to the motion picture imagery, it just so brilliantly crafted, and none of the other films that followed could ever match or come close to the likes of it.
This new thing will be no exception.

Ash.J.Williams · 04-06-2021 3:50pm

CalamariFritti wrote: »

Just googled it there. Whats that got to do with him?

Nothing

04-06-2021 8:46pm

pixelburp wrote: »

These days I hate using the word, but are those TV adventures even "canon" anymore, insofar as the series has any?

It was a show that took itself a lot more seriously than shows at the time iirc. But ya, I think Canon is loose at this stage. Definitely not like Star Wars.

Tony EH · 04-06-2021 9:15pm

buried wrote: »

One of the major and often overlooked problems in the fourth one is the total lack of a weighty occult narrative that is based on the stories and the myths of ancient history. 'Raiders of The Lost Ark' has massive displays of these themes. 'Temple of Doom', as fantastically exotic as it is, still has a good dose, it being set amongst a secret cult of Thuggee worshippers of the Goddess Kali. 'Last Crusade' also has it with the medieval legend of the holy grail. Kingdom skull's themes and mythos are largely based on aliens, UFO's, area 51 etc. Themes that do not have the weight of ancient or occult mysteries attached to them, but themes that are only culturally recent and also heavily attached to the realms and subject of science fiction.

The heavy occult narrative and subliminal imagery that exists in 'Raiders of The lost Ark' is extremely important to the structure and success of that film. The scene with the army intelligence coming to the university for example, that is how you do supreme exposition in mythical storytelling. Add the spine tingling and ghostly music right in time to the motion picture imagery, it just so brilliantly crafted, and none of the other films that followed could ever match or come close to the likes of it.
This new thing will be no exception.

There can be no doubt that 'Raiders of the Lost Ark' is, easily, the best Indy adventure. It's a perfect blend of action and occult nonsense and has the greatest mcguffin of any of the movies. People think that 'Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom' was the "dark" one, but it was the first movie that was able to put the hairs on the backs of people's necks up. Much more so than the sequel. As you say there's a chilling John Williams sting that's infused into the picture that created a palpable sense of unease and there's moments of outright horror that would only have been found in a horror movie.

For my money the sequel gets closer to the more traditional 1930's movie than any of the others, though, and I've always liked it, flaws notwithstanding of course. It's far superior to the third movie, which just went too far over the top with its inane attempts at comedy and ended up just scuppering itself. It's just too dumb to be truly enjoyable.

'Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull'? Well, we could probably bang on about that for hours. But, while the premise does sound good if it lacks that 1930's serial appeal. But the actual story and execution were bloody awful.

Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny

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