Fly me to the Moon - your 3rd travel Megathread - read OP

M_Murphy57 · 03-06-2021 10:18am

Marine Layer wrote: »

Isn't the document issued to residents of your own country
Ireland won't be giving fully vaccinated status for one shot unless you have had the jaansen

It would be great to get clarity on this. Hoping to fly from dublin over august bh but could be cutting it fine depending on definition of vaccinated as wont get 2nd shot until july

Obviously tony will know clarity will allow people to.plan so no doubt there will be a coordinated effort between FFG and NPHET to give ever so slightly different definitions of how the cert will work in ireland every time they speak to the media.

yoshimitsu · 03-06-2021 10:19am

Marine Layer wrote: »

Isn't the document issued to residents of your own country
Ireland won't be giving fully vaccinated status for one shot unless you have had the jaansen

yes my point being that you can enter Italy without any additional test/quarantine requirement with your DCC issued by Ireland even if you have only 1 shot done. so it doesnt matter if Ireland considers you fully vaccinated or not, what matters is that your first dose is recorded on your DCC (and you've been issues one obviously) before you leave

03-06-2021 10:22am

yoshimitsu wrote: »

yes my point being that you can enter Italy without any additional test/quarantine requirement with your DCC issued by Ireland even if you have only 1 shot done. so it doesnt matter if Ireland considers you fully vaccinated or not, what matters is that your first dose is recorded on your DCC (and you've been issues one obviously) before you leave

I wouldn't like to be relying on that! We haven't seen the Irish DCC yet
It wouldn't surprise me if it's not issued untill the department say you are fully vaccinated
It also wouldn't surprise me if the QR code you get after a pcr test contains no vaccine information if not fully vaccinated
This is Ireland

JojoLoca · 03-06-2021 10:37am

yoshimitsu wrote: »

yes my point being that you can enter Italy without any additional test/quarantine requirement with your DCC issued by Ireland even if you have only 1 shot done. so it doesnt matter if Ireland considers you fully vaccinated or not, what matters is that your first dose is recorded on your DCC (and you've been issues one obviously) before you leave

In Poland you are able to generate QR code (vaccine cert) after first vaccine shot and I’m guessing it will be possible in other countries. But I wouldn’t keep my hope that Ireland will allow that option.

yoshimitsu · 03-06-2021 10:47am

Marine Layer wrote: »

I wouldn't like to be relying on that! We haven't seen the Irish DCC yet
It wouldn't surprise me if it's not issued untill the department say you are fully vaccinated
It also wouldn't surprise me if the QR code you get after a pcr test contains no vaccine information if not fully vaccinated
This is Ireland

We havent seen any DCC, Irish or otherwise, because it hasnt been issued yet.

Italy for example is accepting paper-based version at the moment for citizens to participate in weddings, sport events, conferences etc. All that will be replaced by the DCC on July 1st, at least this is the plan the Italian government has presented (subject to overly complicated bureaucracy and old/ineffective IT systems!).

It is only my opinion but as I've stated in my original post, given that the DCC is also used to prove you have done a test in the previous 48/72h and are negative, you should be getting one regardless of your vaccination status. I'd imagine that you show your DCC QR code at Randox (or any other testing facility), they scan that code and your test results will be recorded on there when issued. This is a key feature of the DCC so there's no reason why we shouldnt expect everyone who needs it to travel to get one, regardless of vaccination status.

Then the HSE may decide to record on the DCC your 1st jab brand/date when administered, the 2nd jab brand/date or only record it once they consider you fully vaxxed, that's their prerogative and unfortunately I have no way of telling you what they'll do. It would make sense for them to update the DCC as you get your doses done but I dont know how the various IT systems will be linked up and what kind of delays/issues there might be.

adam240610 · 03-06-2021 10:55am

Has anyone gone to Belfast on the train lately? Thinking of going next week to just get an airbnb and relax

IQO · 03-06-2021 10:55am

https://www.rijksoverheid.nl/actueel/nieuws/2021/06/02/kabinet-spant-zich-in-voor-vergoeding-van-coronatest-voor-reizigers-naar-het-buitenland-in-juli-en-augustus

Interesting, the Dutch government is exploring options to cover the PCR testing costs for outgoing travelers from The Netherlands in July/August, mainly for the people who aren't vaccinated by then. The scheme could cost up to 350 million euro.

from Google translate

At the request of the House of Representatives, the cabinet is making an effort to fully reimburse the costs of corona tests for travelers departing from the Netherlands abroad in the months of July and August. The compensation is intended for people who are not (fully) vaccinated and who will be tested this summer prior to their trip in order to obtain a European digital Covid certificate. With this certificate it is possible to travel within Europe. The government does warn that implementation also carries serious risks.

The plan to reimburse the test costs for travelers will be further elaborated as soon as possible. The government informed the House of Representatives today that due to the short timeframe and the complex feasibility, it cannot be ruled out that, according to current insights, the implementation of the House's request will entail irregularities and fraud risks. The cabinet will of course do everything it can to control these as well as possible, but unfortunately the cabinet cannot rule this out.

The government estimates that the cost of testing departing travelers for free could amount to around 350 million euros. The costs for a test for returning travelers to the Netherlands are not reimbursed by the government.

Such a different mindset compared to the Irish government.

If all EU passport holders are able to use this service when flying from The Netherlands, this could create a cost-free travel bridge between Ireland and The Netherlands. No tests are now necessary when traveling from Ireland to The Netherlands, while then on the way back your PCR test costs would be covered by the Dutch government.

josip · 03-06-2021 10:56am

yoshimitsu wrote: »

...
This is a key feature of the DCC so there's no reason why we shouldnt expect everyone who needs it to travel to get one, regardless of vaccination status.
...

You want everyone who travels to take an expensive PCR test, even if they're fully vaccinated, just because a software application facilitates it?
Sorry, I must have misunderstood something in your post.

Blut2 · 03-06-2021 11:08am

yoshimitsu wrote: »

We havent seen any DCC, Irish or otherwise, because it hasnt been issued yet.

Italy for example is accepting paper-based version at the moment for citizens to participate in weddings, sport events, conferences etc. All that will be replaced by the DCC on July 1st, at least this is the plan the Italian government has presented (subject to overly complicated bureaucracy and old/ineffective IT systems!).

It is only my opinion but as I've stated in my original post, given that the DCC is also used to prove you have done a test in the previous 48/72h and are negative, you should be getting one regardless of your vaccination status. I'd imagine that you show your DCC QR code at Randox (or any other testing facility), they scan that code and your test results will be recorded on there when issued. This is a key feature of the DCC so there's no reason why we shouldnt expect everyone who needs it to travel to get one, regardless of vaccination status.

Then the HSE may decide to record on the DCC your 1st jab brand/date when administered, the 2nd jab brand/date or only record it once they consider you fully vaxxed, that's their prerogative and unfortunately I have no way of telling you what they'll do. It would make sense for them to update the DCC as you get your doses done but I dont know how the various IT systems will be linked up and what kind of delays/issues there might be.

Its highly unlikely that every single covid testing provider in Ireland (or in other countries in Europe) will have its tech systems fully linked up to national/EU app verification in that way. We're talking 20+ providers in Ireland at the moment alone, some of them quite small medical operations.

Theres also the question of people who've been tested outside of their home country. What if someone is traveling through Dublin airport but got tested by a Northern Irish provider? Or the same question but a French person traveling through Amsterdam airport? You're then talking of needing international test providers (in the hundreds, or thousands) fully integrated into the app.

Its far more likely that you will just have to upload a screenshot of your test results, from wherever, directly to the app for them to then be verified by AI. Basically the same as immigration officers are currently doing manually in airports.

The same process as I would expect for vaccination verification, incidentally. There are huge numbers of people getting vaccinated in countries other than their home country these days - Irish people in the US/UK in particular for us. Theres no way for the HSE to automatically verify these people to an app.

yoshimitsu · 03-06-2021 11:17am

josip wrote: »

You want everyone who travels to take an expensive PCR test, even if they're fully vaccinated, just because a software application facilitates it?
Sorry, I must have misunderstood something in your post.

I can confirm, you have misunderstood or i've explained myself poorly

The previous poster was concerned the DCC would be released in Ireland only after you are fully vaccinated. My point is that, since one of the key features of the DCC is to also record covid tests status (date, type and obviously result), the DCC should be issued to anybody intending to travel regardless of you vaccination status.

I dont want everybody to take PCR/antigen if they are fully (or even partially) vaccinated. the point of my original post was just that, some countries consider you fully vaxxed 2 weeks after your first shot (e.g. Italy) and that's potentially great news for me since that's where I'm traveling to this summer and it may save us some money and hassle. Hopefully my first jab will be recorded on there once I get it (I'm 44 and havent been called yet). I doubt I'll get my second jab before I leave (mid-July) so will mean I'll have to get a PCR test before coming back to Ireland. I dont like it but I'd rather take that than 2 PCR tests and 5 days of quarantine!

irelandrover · 03-06-2021 11:22am

IQO wrote: »

https://www.rijksoverheid.nl/actueel/nieuws/2021/06/02/kabinet-spant-zich-in-voor-vergoeding-van-coronatest-voor-reizigers-naar-het-buitenland-in-juli-en-augustus

Interesting, the Dutch government is exploring options to cover the PCR testing costs for outgoing travelers from The Netherlands in July/August, mainly for the people who aren't vaccinated by then. The scheme could cost up to 350 million euro.

Such a different mindset compared to the Irish government.

If all EU passport holders are able to use this service when flying from The Netherlands, this could create a cost-free travel bridge between Ireland and The Netherlands. No tests are now necessary when traveling from Ireland to The Netherlands, while then on the way back your PCR test costs would be covered by the Dutch government.

From what I've read about this is they will cover the cost for dutch residents as you need the government ID to book the free tests. Its also quite split in the government about whether to pay for the tests or not.

yoshimitsu · 03-06-2021 11:30am

Its highly unlikely that every single covid testing provider in Ireland (or in other countries in Europe) will have its tech systems fully linked up to national/EU app verification in that way. We're talking 20+ providers in Ireland at the moment alone, some of them quite small medical operations.

Fair enough, I dont hold high hopes for Ireland, Italy and Spain (the 3 countries involved in my travelling this summer) to have everything sorted out by mid-July. my scenarios was more to justify the point of releasing the DCC regardless of your vaccination as it is a tool to record your testing status.

I dont think it's impossible that a couple of the larger testing providers, like Randox and RocDoc, who operate from the airport and will likely see the bulk of testing volumes (particularly if anigen gains broader acceptance as you would do this right before flying) to be linked in to the DCC systems but agree that this is science fiction at the moment given the other IT mess the HSE is dealing with atm

Theres also the question of people who've been tested outside of their home country. What if someone is traveling through Dublin airport but got tested by a Northern Irish provider? Or the same question but a French person traveling through Amsterdam airport? You're then talking of needing international test providers (in the hundreds, or thousands) fully integrated into the app.

Agree, there are many situations in which you'll just show the proof of negative test rather than the DCC but that shouldnt prevent you receiving a DCC when it's issued, regardless of your vaccination status. so that may also include a 1st jab status which is sufficient to enter certain EU countries without additional requirements

Its far more likely that you will just have to upload a screenshot of your test results, from wherever, directly to the app for them to then be verified by AI. Basically the same as immigration officers are currently doing manually in airports.

If you doubt IT systems being ready handle all this in July, I doubt AI will be the solution... but happy to be proven wrong here

The same process as I would expect for vaccination verification, incidentally. There are huge numbers of people getting vaccinated in countries other than their home country these days - Irish people in the US/UK in particular for us. Theres no way for the HSE to automatically verify these people to an app.

Yes expect these people to have to rely on some kind of paper document in the interim, if accepted by the country you're trying to visit.

Red Silurian · 03-06-2021 11:39am

So how are people feeling about the Indian Variant being in Ireland now. Seems the PCR 3 days before arriving did nothing for us in that regard

Flyer1 · 03-06-2021 11:40am

Red Silurian wrote: »

So how are people feeling about the Indian Variant being in Ireland now. Seems the PCR 3 days before arriving did nothing for us in that regard

Meh, it and all subsequent variants will find there way in here regardless of what measures we take to curtail travel.

Time to accept it all now and move on

yoshimitsu · 03-06-2021 11:45am

Red Silurian wrote: »

So how are people feeling about the Indian Variant being in Ireland now. Seems the PCR 3 days before arriving did nothing for us in that regard

that's because you're assuming that somebody on a flight direct to ireland brought it in... it could (probably is) one of the following:

- came through N. Ireland

- came with one of the 100-200 lorries drivers that come in daily and are neither subject to testing nor quarantine requirement of any kind

Blut2 · 03-06-2021 11:47am

yoshimitsu wrote: »

Fair enough, I dont hold high hopes for Ireland, Italy and Spain (the 3 countries involved in my travelling this summer) to have everything sorted out by mid-July. my scenarios was more to justify the point of releasing the DCC regardless of your vaccination as it is a tool to record your testing status.

I dont think it's impossible that a couple of the larger testing providers, like Randox and RocDoc, who operate from the airport and will likely see the bulk of testing volumes (particularly if anigen gains broader acceptance as you would do this right before flying) to be linked in to the DCC systems but agree that this is science fiction at the moment given the other IT mess the HSE is dealing with atm

Agree, there are many situations in which you'll just show the proof of negative test rather than the DCC but that shouldnt prevent you receiving a DCC when it's issued, regardless of your vaccination status. so that may also include a 1st jab status which is sufficient to enter certain EU countries without additional requirements

If you doubt IT systems being ready handle all this in July, I doubt AI will be the solution... but happy to be proven wrong here

Yes expect these people to have to rely on some kind of paper document in the interim, if accepted by the country you're trying to visit.

Its not possible to limit the number of test providers to only those at airports, though. Significant numbers of people travel from hours away to fly out of Dublin airport (or any large continental one). Its not practical to require them to travel to the airport 24+ hours beforehand to do a PCR test and wait for the result. You need to have a network of test providers countrywide, as we currently have. Which then leads to the issue of having thousands of test providers all across Europe.

One of the main goals of the travel pass is to reduce the time spent at airports on document checks, because its not possible to have anywhere near normal airport traffic with the new required document checks without massive, hours long, immigration queues forming - see Heathrow in recent times for example. So its very unlikely vaccinated people will be forced to rely on paper certs instead of simply uploading photos of them to the app, if thats how PCR test results are being verified anyway.

AI for document checking already exists, and is in very common usage. Thats not a technical issue at all. A similar example would be online companies that need to verify photo ID for Know Your Customer requirements.

Basically - if in doubt, the easiest solution is the one that will be used. Which in this case is very much simple AI verification of uploaded vaccination/testing results that spits out a QR code to match your details for instant scanning at the airport. Not a continent wide, fully integrated, medical data system, across thousands of providers.

Red Silurian · 03-06-2021 11:47am

Flyer1 wrote: »

Meh, it and all subsequent variants will find there way in here regardless of what measures we take to curtail travel.

Time to accept it all now and move on

Fair enough, acceptance of death isn't really my style but each to their own

yoshimitsu wrote: »

that's because you're assuming that somebody on a flight direct to ireland brought it in... it could (probably is) one of the following:

- came through N. Ireland

- came with one of the 100-200 lorries drivers that come in daily and are neither subject to testing nor quarantine requirement of any kind

N.Ireland, as part of the UK, require PCR tests 72 hours before flights also, second point is a good one though if true

03-06-2021 11:48am

Red Silurian wrote: »

So how are people feeling about the Indian Variant being in Ireland now. Seems the PCR 3 days before arriving did nothing for us in that regard

Can’t summon up any response other than ‘meh’

fm · 03-06-2021 12:08pm

Red Silurian wrote: »

So how are people feeling about the Indian Variant being in Ireland now. Seems the PCR 3 days before arriving did nothing for us in that regard

MHQ didn't stop it either, surprise surprise

yoshimitsu · 03-06-2021 12:12pm

Blut2 wrote: »

Its not possible to limit the number of test providers to only those at airports, though. Significant numbers of people travel from hours away to fly out of Dublin airport (or any large continental one). Its not practical to require them to travel to the airport 24+ hours beforehand to do a PCR test and wait for the result. You need to have a network of test providers countrywide, as we currently have. Which then leads to the issue of having thousands of test providers all across Europe.

One of the main goals of the travel pass is to reduce the time spent at airports on document checks, because its not possible to have anywhere near normal airport traffic with the new required document checks without massive, hours long, immigration queues forming - see Heathrow in recent times for example. So its very unlikely vaccinated people will be forced to rely on paper certs instead of simply uploading photos of them to the app, if thats how PCR test results are being verified anyway.

AI for document checking already exists, and is in very common usage. Thats not a technical issue at all. A similar example would be online companies that need to verify photo ID for Know Your Customer requirements.

Basically - if in doubt, the easiest solution is the one that will be used. Which in this case is very much simple AI verification of uploaded vaccination/testing results that spits out a QR code to match your details for instant scanning at the airport. Not a continent wide, fully integrated, medical data system, across thousands of providers.

I'm not suggesting limiting the number of testing centers only to those in Dublin airport and forcing everyone to use those. I'm simply saying that you dont have to connect the IT systems of every testing center in Ireland from day 1 of the DCC. You could/should focus on the largest ones that most people are likely to use, that way you'll address one of the points you raise later (reducing time spent at the airport, avoiding longer queues as everybody shows up with a paper based test result).

Not sure about your proposal about uploading photos/QR codes to the DCC app. Sure it's feasible but unlikely it'll be ready by July/August this year.

Probably easier to connect the 2 largest testing providers in your largest airport as that will no doubt bring the number of paper-based results to check down

M_Murphy57 · 03-06-2021 12:14pm

yoshimitsu wrote: »

that's because you're assuming that somebody on a flight direct to ireland brought it in... it could (probably is) one of the following:

- came through N. Ireland

- came with one of the 100-200 lorries drivers that come in daily and are neither subject to testing nor quarantine requirement of any kind

Came in with a TD who exempted themselves. Or an elite sports person.

Red Silurian · 03-06-2021 12:18pm

fm wrote: »

MHQ didn't stop it either, surprise surprise

So two things about that statement

Firstly

MHQ for India wasn't introduced until April 30th, 11 days after the first announcement of the variant was found here meaning Indians could come in here with only having to observe "home quarantine"

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/india-added-to-mandatory-hotel-quarantine-list-amid-rise-in-coronavirus-variant-cases-1.4552275

https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1384192696198189058?lang=en

Secondly

You need a negative PCR test prior to your flight even if entering MHQ on arrival, it's not an either/or situation

M_Murphy57 wrote: »

Came in with a TD who exempted themselves. Or an elite sports person.

Which ones?

Doctor Jimbob · 03-06-2021 12:20pm

Red Silurian wrote: »

So how are people feeling about the Indian Variant being in Ireland now. Seems the PCR 3 days before arriving did nothing for us in that regard

Any chance we could keep the variant stuff to the control of airports thread and keep this one for travel?

Valhallapt · 03-06-2021 12:23pm

Red Silurian wrote: »

So how are people feeling about the Indian Variant being in Ireland now. Seems the PCR 3 days before arriving did nothing for us in that regard

Shows how idiotic MHQ is. Totally unnecessary hardship on families. Unjustifiable.

Valhallapt · 03-06-2021 12:25pm

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

Any chance we could keep the variant stuff to the control of airports thread and keep this one for travel?

Agreed.
There should be a dedicated scariants thread, perhaps under conspiracy theories? This threat should be for people who are happy to travel in the short and medium term.

03-06-2021 12:29pm

Pcr is a blunt instrument
If everyone isolated for 2 weeks on entry since we first heard of wuhan we would have no covid
Thats not possible here
We aren't new Zealand or Australia
Mhq and pcrs are catching a lot
Those that break through aren't an argument for making it worse
2 more months and the virus will have a bigger stronger enemy
Herd immunity

normanoffside · 03-06-2021 12:37pm

IQO wrote: »

https://www.rijksoverheid.nl/actueel/nieuws/2021/06/02/kabinet-spant-zich-in-voor-vergoeding-van-coronatest-voor-reizigers-naar-het-buitenland-in-juli-en-augustus

Interesting, the Dutch government is exploring options to cover the PCR testing costs for outgoing travelers from The Netherlands in July/August, mainly for the people who aren't vaccinated by then. The scheme could cost up to 350 million euro.

Such a different mindset compared to the Irish government.

If all EU passport holders are able to use this service when flying from The Netherlands, this could create a cost-free travel bridge between Ireland and The Netherlands. No tests are now necessary when traveling from Ireland to The Netherlands, while then on the way back your PCR test costs would be covered by the Dutch government.

France are offering free PCR tests to visiting tourists.

https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/news/france-provides-free-covid-19-pcr-tests-for-new-arrivals/

https://www.thelocal.fr/20210517/france-to-offer-free-pcr-tests-to-tourists-and-visitors-this-summer/

josip · 03-06-2021 12:38pm

Red Silurian wrote: »

Fair enough, acceptance of death isn't really my style but each to their own

It is, but you're unaware of it.
Every time you drive your car, leave the house, cross the road you're accepting the chances that you'll die.
Even going to sleep in a normal bed is accepting the risk that you'll fall out and kill yourself.

03-06-2021 12:39pm

fm wrote: »

MHQ didn't stop it either, surprise surprise

Ahhhh.....you took the bait!!

03-06-2021 12:57pm

normanoffside wrote: »

France are offering free PCR tests to visiting tourists.

https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/news/france-provides-free-covid-19-pcr-tests-for-new-arrivals/

https://www.thelocal.fr/20210517/france-to-offer-free-pcr-tests-to-tourists-and-visitors-this-summer/

travelling there later in the summer, I will be vaccinated but still a great saving for the wife and kids.

Today is a good news day

Wallander · 03-06-2021 1:01pm

Valhallapt wrote: »

Agreed.
There should be a dedicated scariants thread, perhaps under conspiracy theories? This threat should be for people who are happy to travel in the short and medium term.

I respectfully disagree. We can be confident enough in our views to allow questioning from dissenting voices.

As for the varient - I feel some spread here was inevitable given our interconnected world but confident we have the tools (vaccines) to manage it.

yoshimitsu · 03-06-2021 1:01pm

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

Any chance we could keep the variant stuff to the control of airports thread and keep this one for travel?

the other thread has gone dead since the announcement of the July 19th reopening of travel.

Sirloin needs sparring partners to debate the efficacy of the MHQ :pac:

brickster69 · 03-06-2021 1:02pm

Sounds like Portugal will be going on the UK amber list tonight. Quite a few others going from Amber to Red also. Could well be quite a few flights getting cancelled from Belfast you would think.

https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/airlines-travel-stocks-slump-as-portugal-could-face-axe-from-uk-green-list-coronavirus-095737978.html

Dr. Em · 03-06-2021 1:04pm

brickster69 wrote: »

Sounds like Portugal will be going on the UK amber list tonight. Quite a few others going from Amber to Red also. Could well be quite a few flights getting cancelled from Belfast you would think.

https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/airlines-travel-stocks-slump-as-portugal-could-face-axe-from-uk-green-list-coronavirus-095737978.html

Travel chaos, hello again.

faceman · 03-06-2021 2:00pm

Red Silurian wrote: »

So how are people feeling about the Indian Variant being in Ireland now. Seems the PCR 3 days before arriving did nothing for us in that regard

If I was told I was going to get covid and given a choice of variant, I’d chose the Indian variant, or Delta variant as it’s now called

Why?

Because provisional research shows that the fatality rate based on data from the U.K. is 0.2% compared to 2% of other strains of covid.

Also the vaccines work against it just like every other strain.

brickster69 · 03-06-2021 2:07pm

Portugal gone Amber. Balearics, Canaries and Greek Islands stay on amber also which were hoped to go on green

https://metro.co.uk/2021/06/03/portugal-removed-from-green-list-dashing-hopes-for-millions-of-holidaymakers-14707593/?ito=push-notification&ci=211957&si=22786189&ai=14707593

freida · 03-06-2021 2:18pm

Can you still bring hand luggage on planes ex Belfast or Dublin. I remember at the start of this all luggage had to be checked in

Red Silurian · 03-06-2021 2:24pm

brickster69 wrote: »

Portugal gone Amber. Balearics, Canaries and Greek Islands stay on amber also which were hoped to go on green

https://metro.co.uk/2021/06/03/portugal-removed-from-green-list-dashing-hopes-for-millions-of-holidaymakers-14707593/?ito=push-notification&ci=211957&si=22786189&ai=14707593

Amber means go off on holiday there and isolate at home on your return... Might as well be green for all intents and purposes

Also there's a loophole that if you fly into the North and can prove you are travelling into the Republic there's no hotel quarantine in the north

Valhallapt · 03-06-2021 2:28pm

Red Silurian wrote: »

Amber means go off on holiday there and isolate at home on your return... Might as well be green for all intents and purposes

Also there's a loophole that if you fly into the North and can prove you are travelling into the Republic there's no hotel quarantine in the north

If you can prove you are travelling south, can you bypass the need for 2 PCR tests pre ordered? Orange lists you need to buy a set of PCR tests before you board the plane on your return

M_Murphy57 · 03-06-2021 2:28pm

Wallander wrote: »

I respectfully disagree. We can be confident enough in our views to allow questioning from dissenting voices.

As for the varient - I feel some spread here was inevitable given our interconnected world but confident we have the tools (vaccines) to manage it.

It's not questioning though. It's the same 3 or 4 posters banging the same drum over and over and over again about the same thing. Every. ****ing. Day.

They dont succeed - ever- in changing anyones mind but they constantly derail a really valuable thread for people interested in travel.

Hence it's better for everyone if they post their daily rants about the evils of travel over in the "control the airports" thread (or we all use the ignore button and stop quoting them!)

Red Silurian · 03-06-2021 2:31pm

josip wrote: »

It is, but you're unaware of it.
Every time you drive your car, leave the house, cross the road you're accepting the chances that you'll die.
Even going to sleep in a normal bed is accepting the risk that you'll fall out and kill yourself.

For myself, true, I'm unlikely to kill 5000 people, put 5m people under a 6 month lockdown and crush an economy by doing any of those things though

M_Murphy57 · 03-06-2021 2:32pm

Dr. Em wrote: »

Travel chaos, hello again.

Have the uk plans to ditch this stupid traffic light system and just introduce the equivalent of the EU passport?

They are making their own vaccinated population isolate? What's the point of them getting so far ahead of everyone with jabs if they still have to live with this kind of stupid pen stroke decision and chaos?

Red Silurian · 03-06-2021 2:33pm

Valhallapt wrote: »

If you can prove you are travelling south, can you bypass the need for 2 PCR tests pre ordered? Orange lists you need to buy a set of PCR tests before you board the plane on your return

The 2 PCRs are part of the MHQ system in the UK so if you bypass one you bypass the other

M_Murphy57 wrote: »

Have the uk plans to ditch this stupid traffic light system and just introduce the equivalent of the EU passport?

They are making their own vaccinated population isolate? What's the point of them getting so far ahead of everyone with jabs if they still have to live with this kind of stupid pen stroke decision and chaos?

It's all to do with a very dirty word on this forum.... Politics

Wallander · 03-06-2021 2:38pm

The new ECDC traffic light map is out:

https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/covid-19/situation-updates/weekly-maps-coordinated-restriction-free-movement

Germany and Italy have gone yellow as expected, and more and more green spots emerging

RunningFlyer · 03-06-2021 2:41pm

Wallander wrote: »

The new ECDC traffic light map is out:

https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/covid-19/situation-updates/weekly-maps-coordinated-restriction-free-movement

Germany and Italy have gone yellow as expected, and more and more green spots emerging

More worryingly Ireland has gone grey (No data) which to my knowledge means it is treated as a Red list country?!

pc7 · 03-06-2021 2:43pm

Wallander wrote: »

The new ECDC traffic light map is out:

https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/covid-19/situation-updates/weekly-maps-coordinated-restriction-free-movement

Germany and Italy have gone yellow as expected, and more and more green spots emerging

Why have UK made Portugal, azores, canaries etc amber if they are green now on ours? I'm lost?

Red Silurian · 03-06-2021 2:47pm

RunningFlyer wrote: »

More worryingly Ireland has gone grey (No data) which to my knowledge means it is treated as a Red list country?!

Lack of data due to the HSE hack?

josip · 03-06-2021 2:48pm

Wallander wrote: »

The new ECDC traffic light map is out:

https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/covid-19/situation-updates/weekly-maps-coordinated-restriction-free-movement

Germany and Italy have gone yellow as expected, and more and more green spots emerging

Only Norway has regressed in the past 7 days.
All other countries have either remained stable or improved.

josip · 03-06-2021 2:49pm

Red Silurian wrote: »

Lack of data due to the HSE hack?

Yes,

*Data for Sweden and Ireland are not available for week 21, 2021 due to a disruption to the national databases.

General Toilet · 03-06-2021 2:52pm

Valhallapt wrote: »

If you can prove you are travelling south, can you bypass the need for 2 PCR tests pre ordered? Orange lists you need to buy a set of PCR tests before you board the plane on your return

Simply complete the UK passenger form stating you are transiting, that avoids the 2 tests and MHQ.

Fly me to the Moon - your 3rd travel Megathread - read OP

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