Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XI Read OP For Mod Warnings

Don't Chute! · 31-05-2021 11:58AM

Another incompetent HSE bureaucrat on the radio this morning saying “they” are acting like it’s V Day, it’s not, this is a much longer war”. They really are a despicable bunch of cretins.

the kelt · 31-05-2021 11:59AM

Necro wrote: »

Imagine if they had actually listened to the VFI and opened up outdoor dining and drinking the same date as hotels ie 2nd June

I'm not saying the problem goes away instantly but it does lessen to a larger degree as it would at a minimum be more organised.

As a result, this bank holiday weekend is going to be filled with the shriekings of the permanently outraged as young people do what young people normally do anyways, but have nowhere to actually go and do it properly and in an organised fashion.

Exactly, the cure to this issue was plain for all apart from the powers that be.

The lack of knowledge the likes of NPHET and government to an extent have about the real world around them is breathtaking but hey how they still have their loyal servants and cheerleaders here.

A week out looking at the weather forecast you could tell what was going to happen, official response, a load or tut tutting and finger wagging with the eternally outraged cheering them on.

TomSweeney · 31-05-2021 12:01PM

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-57304515

These people don't want this to end.

Never mind that hospitalisations and deaths are plummeting due to vaccination ... nah nah nah, let's used the out of date "case numbers" to fearmonger and bring back restrictions.

timmyntc · 31-05-2021 12:03PM

gozunda wrote: »

I'd disagree. Lots of people trying to excuse what happened.

I take it you're not a believer in personal responsibility or self determination then? And its all Tony's fault - because he made them do it?

That the only alternative to having a drink with friends is for mass gatherings and pissups like we saw in Dublin City Centre?

Or the fact that outdoor pub service is less than a week away?

Grand so.

:pac: The irony. If you truly believed in personal responsibility, then we wouldnt need covid restrictions as people could be personally responsible for their own safety.

You only believe in personal autonomy and responsibility when it aligns with your preconceived ideals.

Boggles · 31-05-2021 12:05PM

TomSweeney wrote: »

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-57304515

These people don't want this to end.

Again you really need to read past the headline.

Prof Gupta - a member of the government's New and Emerging Respiratory Virus Threats Advisory Group (Nervtag) - said ending restrictions in June should be delayed "by a few weeks whilst we gather more intelligence".

"If you look at the costs and benefits of getting it wrong, I think it is heavily in favour of delay, so I think that's the key thing," he added.

Another leading scientific adviser to the government, Prof Adam Finn, also urged caution over the 21 June date for easing restrictions.

"I think it's unfortunate that everyone's got this particular date in their head, because really what we need to do is understand how things are going and adjust accordingly," he told ITV's Good Morning Britain.

"This time around, we should be cautious, wait to see what's happening, and then let everyone free, if you like, once we know for sure that that's safe and that we can do that without having another round of lockdowns

gozunda · 31-05-2021 12:08PM

timmyntc wrote: »

Despite all the gatherings outdoors last year, only 0.1% of transmission clusters were outdoors. This includes outdoors hospitality (beer gardens). This after all the protests, outrage inducing scenes like salthill, canals in Dublin, etc etc. But even with superspreaders, only 0.1% of cases.
Outdoor gatherings are not a risk - they arent and werent ever a significant driver in case numbers. There will be no 4th wave or surge from people gathering outdoors - the only harm theyre doing from a public health perspective is the heart attacks they are inducing in middle aged middle class people with too much time on their hands.

Haha. I think you're referring to the study of outdoor gatherings - which was done when there were massive restrictions and bugger all outdoor socialising or any outdoor gatherings going on etc

Nope. That has already been largely debunked. And the problem with protests etc - is that they simply weren't tracked or traced. For many such protests a lot people observed social distancing and wore masks. Maybe not all of the time but seen with a lot of protests etc

What we do know is that normal outdoor activities are low risk. The scenes in Dublin City centre were nothing like being out for a walk with your mates and the dog. Large crowds with no social distancing/ face to face contact / close contact remains a higher risk than small groups of people exercising or even socialising outdoors. And we know that already.

It remains the excuse that people have been told to have an "outdoor summer" is bs as it really does not stand up to the most basic scrutiny.

timmyntc · 31-05-2021 12:13PM

gozunda wrote: »

Haha. I think you're referring to the study of outdoor gatherings - which was done when there were massive restrictions and bugger all outdoor socialising or any outdoor gatherings going on etc

Nope. That has already been largely debunked. And the problem with protests etc - is that they simply weren't tracked or traced. For many such protests a lot people observed social distancing and wore masks. Maybe not all of the time but seen with a lot of protests etc

What we do know is that normal outdoor activities are low risk. The scenes in Dublin City centre were nothing like being out for a walk with your mates and the dog. Large crowds with no social distancing/ face to face contact / close contact remains a higher risk than small groups of people exercising or even socialising outdoors. And we know that already.

There were plenty of maskless protests such as the anti-lockdowners, but no observed spike in cases after that either. Same thing seen across the world.
Not to mention the plethora of studies on indoor vs outdoor transmissions worldwide.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/outdoor-transmission-accounts-for-0-1-of-state-s-covid-19-cases-1.4529036

According to a review by the University of California of five global studies of transmission, the chances of getting Covid-19 in an indoor setting is 19 times greater than outdoors.
...
At the University of Canterbury, Prof Mike Weed studied 27,000 Covid-19 cases based on 6,000 different pieces of data. One study was of 7,500 cases in China and Japan before lockdown in both of those countries. The number of cases associated with outdoor transmission was “so small to be insignificant”, he discovered.

But I'm sure you are more qualified to comment on this than the studies authors?

Also the statement you made above is a bold claim, do have you any proof to back this up? Or is it more of a wish on your part.

Don't Chute! · 31-05-2021 12:15PM

Boggles wrote: »

Again you really need to read past the headline.

A lot of people’s livelihoods won’t be able to survive “being cautious and waiting to see what’s happening” for just a few more weeks and then a few more weeks and on and on and on. People like you just treat other peoples lives like they are little playthings. It’s disgusting.

31-05-2021 12:16PM

This was such a predictable issue and yet surprise surprise they did nothing to address it.

More bins with more regular collections, more public toilets, a 10c deposit scheme on bottles and cans??

No no we can’t be having any of that proactive nonsense. We all know the best course of action is to wait until the problem has already happened and then pontificate and moralise in the media afterward. Maybe ban something too.

The mind boggles

M_Murphy57 · 31-05-2021 12:16PM

the kelt wrote: »

Exactly, the cure to this issue was plain for all apart from the powers that be.

The lack of knowledge the likes of NPHET and government to an extent have about the real world around them is breathtaking but hey how they still have their loyal servants and cheerleaders here.

A week out looking at the weather forecast you could tell what was going to happen, official response, a load or tut tutting and finger wagging with the eternally outraged cheering them on.

Look at the weather forecast AND check a calendar and notice universities and secondary schools finished last week.

Boggles · 31-05-2021 12:17PM

Don't Chute! wrote: »

A lot of people’s livelihoods won’t be able to survive “being cautious and waiting to see what’s happening” for just a few more weeks and then a few more weeks and on and on and on. People like you just treat other peoples lives like they are little playthings. It’s disgusting.

Huh?

Prof Gupta - a member of the government's New and Emerging Respiratory Virus Threats Advisory Group (Nervtag) - said ending restrictions in June should be delayed "by a few weeks whilst we gather more intelligence".

I'm not Professor Gupta, you do realize that right?

Boggles · 31-05-2021 12:19PM

Batrachotox wrote: »

, a 10c deposit scheme on bottles and cans??

I think such a scheme should be rolled out for the country. Like we had previously.

But in the scenario this weekend?

I'm not sure, neck down 10 cans, right lads I'm off got to collect me euro.

Graham · 31-05-2021 12:21PM

Don't Chute! wrote: »

A lot of people’s livelihoods won’t be able to survive “being cautious and waiting to see what’s happening” for just a few more weeks and then a few more weeks and on and on and on. People like you just treat other peoples lives like they are little playthings. It’s disgusting.

Not entirely sure your two positions align.

On one hand you're banging on about peoples livelihoods being at risk, while at the same time cheerleading those putting the easing of restrictions at risk.

Don't Chute! wrote: »

Holahan and the alleged government seem to still be under the impression that they can take everything away from people give them no alternatives and then sneer at and humiliate them when they “step out of line”. They have been able to do this up to this point because of the amount of people who are only too willing to **** over their neighbors in return for a pat on the head from their masters. A lot of them are on here. But their influence is rapidly disappearing and it’s great to see.

Have your cake and eat it is the expression that comes to mind.

Don't Chute! · 31-05-2021 12:22PM

Boggles wrote: »

Huh?

I'm not Professor Gupta, you do realize that right?

Confused? Why am I not surprised?

charlie14 · 31-05-2021 12:22PM

TomSweeney wrote: »

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-57304515

These people don't want this to end.

Never mind that hospitalisations and deaths are plummeting due to vaccination ... nah nah nah, let's used the out of date "case numbers" to fearmonger and bring back restrictions.

I don`t see why anybody would be overly surprised by that.
The UK staged reopening is based on the requirement of passing four tests before progressing to the next stage. Two based on vaccines and two on their health service.
I don`t see anywhere in that article anyone saying that the UK were not going to reopen their next phase on the date proposed. Just that they would review the data closer to the date.
Case numbers will have little bearing on that, other than evidence that the virus is by-passing a vaccine, or that those case numbers are translating into high hospitalisations or ICU numbers.

Boggles · 31-05-2021 12:24PM

Don't Chute! wrote: »

Confused? Why am I not surprised?

I don't know what you are.

But and again I can't believe I have to say this, but I am not Professor Gupta.

You know the man in article that was quoted?

Don't Chute! · 31-05-2021 12:25PM

Graham wrote: »

Not entirely sure your two positions align.

On one hand you're banging on about peoples livelihoods being at risk, while at the same time cheerleading those putting the easing of restrictions at risk.

Have your cake and eat it is the expression that comes to mind.

The only people putting the easing of restrictions at risk are the people who supposedly running the country due to their absolute incompetence.

Don't Chute! · 31-05-2021 12:27PM

Boggles wrote: »

I don't know what you are.

But and again I can't believe I have to say this, but I am not Professor Gupta.

You know the man in article that was quoted?

But you are cheering on his opinion are you not?

Boggles · 31-05-2021 12:28PM

timmyntc wrote: »

There were plenty of maskless protests such as the anti-lockdowners

Sample size way too small.

Also I can't imagine the 5G antivax loons going for a test.

Boggles · 31-05-2021 12:29PM

Don't Chute! wrote: »

But you are cheering on his opinion are you not?

Why don't you read what I actually posted in context of what I replied to and then ask yourself that question.

It's pretty concise.

Then maybe come back and apologize, or not I don't really care.

charlie14 · 31-05-2021 12:32PM

Batrachotox wrote: »

This was such a predictable issue and yet surprise surprise they did nothing to address it.

More bins with more regular collections, more public toilets, a 10c deposit scheme on bottles and cans??

No no we can’t be having any of that proactive nonsense. We all know the best course of action is to wait until the problem has already happened and then pontificate and moralise in the media afterward. Maybe ban something too.

The mind boggles

The authorities should provide more bins and public toilets to facilitate large gathering that the authorities recommended should not to take place.

OK

Don't Chute! · 31-05-2021 12:33PM

Boggles wrote: »

Why don't you read what I actually posted in context of what I replied to and then ask yourself that question.

It's pretty concise.

Then maybe come back and apologize, or not I don't really care.

I don’t know if this is your “thing”, where you pretend not to understand people’s posts or you genuinely don’t actually understand them? Either way I’m done with you.

corcaigh07 · 31-05-2021 12:34PM

Boggles wrote: »

I think such a scheme should be rolled out for the country. Like we had previously.

But in the scenario this weekend?

I'm not sure, neck down 10 cans, right lads I'm off got to collect me euro.

It would actually work. I've been in Canada where such a system is in place.

You mightn't bother collect your cans and bottles but you can guarantee someone else will.

timmyntc · 31-05-2021 12:34PM

Boggles wrote: »

Sample size way too small.

Also I can't imagine the 5G antivax loons going for a test.

A few 1000 is too small?
Sounds more like you are clutching at straws to discredit the events tbh.

Well the studies there still state that outdoors is 19 times less risky than indoors which is very significant.

Boggles · 31-05-2021 12:38PM

timmyntc wrote: »

A few 1000 is too small?
Sounds more like you are clutching at straws to discredit the events tbh.
.

What exact straws would I need to clutch at to discredit a small amount of loons who think RTE are eating babies?

:pac:

M_Murphy57 · 31-05-2021 12:39PM

corcaigh07 wrote: »

It would actually work. I've been in Canada where such a system is in place.

You mightn't bother collect your cans and bottles but you can guarantee someone else will.

They ran similar scheme at electric picnic. People returned not only their own empties but any discarded by other people.

So it can and has been done in ireland too.

Boggles · 31-05-2021 12:42PM

corcaigh07 wrote: »

It would actually work. I've been in Canada where such a system is in place.

You mightn't bother collect your cans and bottles but you can guarantee someone else will.

Nope, never said a scheme like that wouldn't work. In fact I said we should definitely roll it out.

I specifically said in context of the past weekend.

Boggles · 31-05-2021 12:44PM

Don't Chute! wrote: »

I don’t know if this is your “thing”, where you pretend not to understand people’s posts or you genuinely don’t actually understand them? Either way I’m done with you.

Let me help you.

People like you just treat other peoples lives like they are little playthings. It’s disgusting

You got hyper emotional at me for something I never said.

Have a good one.

Itssoeasy · 31-05-2021 12:46PM

I was feeling upbeat prior to the weekend but that ****ing Indian variant in the UK and the far less confidence that government seem to have about their reopening isn’t helping me stay as upbeat as I was. The first headline on the news on the radio yesterday at 1pm was “dark clouds in UK reopening” and I turned the radio off.

Also, yes are there enough bins and the like in Dublin City, or in any city in Ireland ? Probably not but I don’t understand how people seem to be absolving people of making a mess by just dumping their rubbish on the street. That wasn’t okay pre Covid and it’s not okay now. What happened to personal responsibility ?

charlie14 · 31-05-2021 12:47PM

timmyntc wrote: »

A few 1000 is too small?
Sounds more like you are clutching at straws to discredit the events tbh.

Well the studies there still state that outdoors is 19 times less risky than indoors which is very significant.

There is nothing that mysterious about how this virus spreads. It is by transmission. Mainly from person to person. There is a major difference in being outdoors keeping a distance and outdoors rammed on top of each other like sheep in a heap.

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