Are we there yet? Your second Travel Megathread (threadbans in OP}

titan18 · 30-05-2021 09:09PM

When do people expect things like mask mandates and social distancing will end in other countries (we'll be the last). I'd feel it's not a very relaxing holiday if you're constantly working with covid related restrictions.

Do people expect masks to end on airplanes this year for example?

gozunda · 30-05-2021 09:11PM

Darwin wrote: »

The point I'm making is the travel restrictions are an unnecessarily blunt instrument and for people with a genuine need to travel that is not on the official list of reasons are left in a situation where they have to argue their case at the airport which is absolutely ridiculous.

What would you suggest instead? And tbf no one is physically stopped from travelling

gozunda · 30-05-2021 09:12PM

Rosereynolds wrote: »

you kinda implied it though

Nope. Incorrect. Neither implied or stated. Unless you can point to where ...

saabsaab · 30-05-2021 09:20PM

titan18 wrote: »

When do people expect things like mask mandates and social distancing will end in other countries (we'll be the last). I'd feel it's not a very relaxing holiday if you're constantly working with covid related restrictions.

Do people expect masks to end on airplanes this year for example?

Masks are a good idea on planes and some other places. Don't see a problem with them if it helps us open up earlier.

titan18 · 30-05-2021 09:28PM

saabsaab wrote: »

Masks are a good idea on planes and some other places. Don't see a problem with them if it helps us open up earlier.

I'd agree but it'll end at some point so just wondering when people expect that, particularly in regards planes or in other countries like Spain.

saabsaab · 30-05-2021 10:05PM

titan18 wrote: »

I'd agree but it'll end at some point so just wondering when people expect that, particularly in regards planes or in other countries like Spain.

Masks might stay for the foreseeable future on planes. With full rollouts probably next year?

pooman · 30-05-2021 10:07PM

Marcusm wrote: »

How self-centred would a person have to be to try to insist that an infected child board an aircraft with persons who might be vulnerable? There would be an element of psychopathy on that type of act, a concern solely with one’s own convenience with an utter disregard for others.

Can't a jabbed person potentially be positive also but 0 tests for any of those carriers.. not considering that no? Convenient..

pooman · 30-05-2021 10:12PM

JojoLoca wrote: »

I know you are talking about your kids, but Covid positive kid is no different to Covid positive adult. Also kids are not required to wear face masks on the plane (I always disagreed with that one), and you are talking here about going around the restrictions to potentially bringing Covid positive kid on the plane.

Antigen test tells you if you're infectious, the only test that anyone on a plane need to worry about, PCR gives false positives.. Masks? lolz.. disagree all you like, you're on the wrong side of science on that one

30-05-2021 10:30PM

pooman wrote: »

Can't a jabbed person potentially be positive also but 0 tests for any of those carriers.. not considering that no? Convenient..

Very unlikely though and it's about knowingly bringing a positive person

pooman wrote: »

Antigen test tells you if you're infectious, the only test that anyone on a plane need to worry about, PCR gives false positives.. Masks? lolz.. disagree all you like, you're on the wrong side of science on that one

One in a thousand false positives. False negative more likely

pooman · 30-05-2021 10:32PM

gozunda wrote: »

Well it does.

The answer is in the comment to which you replied btw.

They will come back from holiday - but we don't need anyone bringing back unwanted presents tbf. Ah they are going to destination with low rates of infection I hear you say. But again we know that travel where it is difficult to social distance and involve crowded areas carries a much higher risk of infection. See the scenes from Palma Airport the other day for example. Being tested doesn't protect a person from catching covid after the fact plus most of Europe still only have 30-40% of their population with 1 dose.

So yeah let's stick with that until we get up target vaccination levels.

Moronic comment.. what difference does vaccinated % make? Take an Antigen at the airport. hell come over and administer the test yourself while they sit in the place seat.. would that satisfy you..

gozunda · 30-05-2021 10:34PM

pooman wrote: »

Antigen test tells you if you're infectious, the only test that anyone on a plane need to worry about, PCR gives false positives.. Masks? lolz.. disagree all you like, you're on the wrong side of science on that one

Both Antigen and PCR tests check for active Covid-19 infection rather than antibodies to the disease.

Both Antigen and PCR tests may produce false positives. The figure for false positives in PCR Covid rests is just 0.2% ....

PCR tests are used to directly screen for the presence of viral RNA, which will be detectable in the body before antibodies form or symptoms of the disease are present.

Antigen tests also detect the presence of viral proteins (antigens) expressed by the COVID-19 virus in a sample from the respiratory tract of a person and are best suited for testing those who are symptomatic ie when symptoms of the disease are present.

gozunda · 30-05-2021 10:51PM

pooman wrote: »

Moronic comment.. what difference does vaccinated % make? Take an Antigen at the airport. hell come over and administer the test yourself while they sit in the place seat.. would that satisfy you..

Perhaps you should read the comment again. I dont think you understood it tbh

But why the evident snark?

You ask: what difference does vaccinated % make?

Well principaly because it is the standard answer - as it presumes the area of low risk being the only issue with regard to catching covid.. However that does not stand as its the activities associated with travel itself which are deemed to be of higher risk

Take an Antigen test.
An antigen test simply confirms / does not confirm the presence of viral proteins (antigens) expressed by COVID-19 in the person tested. So no idea what this is supposed to be about.

pooman wrote:

he'll come over and administer the test yourself while they sit in the place seat.. would that satisfy you...

But perhaps more importantly to your idea is that an antigen test will not stop you becoming infected whilst travelling etc ...

Rosereynolds · 30-05-2021 10:57PM

gozunda wrote: »

But perhaps more importantly an antigen test will not stop you becoming infected whilst travelling etc ...

Does it work the same on a 3 hour bus vs A 3 hour plane trip?

gozunda · 30-05-2021 11:22PM

Rosereynolds wrote: »

Does it work the same on a 3 hour bus vs A 3 hour plane trip?

Do you mean will an antigen test stop you catching covid on a bus or plane? Simple answer is no.

Or do you mean can you get it on a three hour bus trip to Spain as you mentioned earlier?

Anyway think you might have missed the bit where known risks from issues with social distancing and crowded situations during travel does not just simply equate to a 'plane' or a 'bus'

we know that travel where it is difficult to social distance and involves crowded areas carries a much higher risk of infection. See the scenes from Palma Airport the other day for example.

30-05-2021 11:36PM

Klonker wrote: »

Might want it edit your earlier post as you stated they stated its there until 19th July and that's factually incorrect. Don't know why you'd want to mislead the viewers of this thread

Get off the high horse. Where did I claim it was a fact and not opinion?

I quoted them and that's my take on their comments like the below

"Minister for Transport Eamon Ryan said: “By the 19th of July, we will remove the ban on non-essential travel."

Klonker · 30-05-2021 11:41PM

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

Get off the high horse. Where did I claim it was a fact and not opinion?

I quoted them and that's my take on their comments like the below

"Minister for Transport Eamon Ryan said: “By the 19th of July, we will remove the ban on non-essential travel."

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

That's been the case since the fine was brought in do I don't see why it would now become a reason to drop it.

They have stated 19th July. It will be extended until then.

Where did 'they' state the travel fine would be extended to July 19th like you said?

30-05-2021 11:53PM

Klonker wrote: »

Where did 'they' state the travel fine would be extended to July 19th like you said?

First off that's not what I said. You can claim it bit I didn't. I said 'they' have very clearly stated that the 19th July will be when non essential travel will be allowed again. It was announced by the Minister's and mm himself on TV. He was quoted in multiple newspapers. Read one.

The second part is very clearly my opinion that based on their very easily found comments, the fine will be extended to that date.

Klonker · 31-05-2021 12:03AM

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

First off that's not what I said. You can claim it bit I didn't. I said 'they' have very clearly stated that the 19th July will be when non essential travel will be allowed again. It was announced by the Minister's and mm himself on TV. He was quoted in multiple newspapers. Read one.

The second part is very clearly my opinion that based on their very easily found comments, the fine will be extended to that date.

It's exactly what you said, it's a quote of your post.
It's not taken out if context either, you responding to my post stating how unenforceable the 2k fine is.

How is "they said" very clearly your opinion?

31-05-2021 12:54AM

Klonker wrote: »

It's exactly what you said, it's a quote of your post.
It's not taken out if context either, you responding to my post stating how unenforceable the 2k fine is.

How is "they said" very clearly your opinion?

You know what a full stop is I assume? It plays an important role. So again, it's been stated multiple times that non essential travel will commence on that date.

Care to explain your statement that the fine is unenforceable by the way?

Del Griffith · 31-05-2021 03:16AM

titan18 wrote: »

When do people expect things like mask mandates and social distancing will end in other countries (we'll be the last). I'd feel it's not a very relaxing holiday if you're constantly working with covid related restrictions.

Do people expect masks to end on airplanes this year for example?

Malta has announced masks in public places are no longer mandatory from 1st July.

ThunbergsAreGo · 31-05-2021 05:35AM

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

First off that's not what I said. You can claim it bit I didn't. I said 'they' have very clearly stated that the 19th July will be when non essential travel will be allowed again. It was announced by the Minister's and mm himself on TV. He was quoted in multiple newspapers. Read one.

The second part is very clearly my opinion that based on their very easily found comments, the fine will be extended to that date.

Do you trust them on this?

Like it's it safe to book to fly on the 21st July?

31-05-2021 05:48AM

ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »

Do you trust them on this?

Like it's it safe to book to fly on the 21st July?

Personally? On this one yes but I also wouldn't bet the house on the entire green cert system being up and running either. Just no more checkpoints and fines

ThunbergsAreGo · 31-05-2021 05:58AM

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

Personally? On this one yes but I also wouldn't bet the house on the entire green cert system being up and running either. Just no more checkpoints and fines

Its a tricky one, wife is dying to go.

Normally I would wait till later but the youngest turns 2 in August which means full price and then she's back to work teaching in Sept. Might risk it

lcstress2012 · 31-05-2021 05:59AM

ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »

Do you trust them on this?

Like it's it safe to book to fly on the 21st July?

I trust them on this too. It’s not going to change, I work in the airport and it won’t survive if travel doesn’t resume on 19 July. To put it into perspective now there are 300 passengers travelling through a day compared to the usual 25-30 thousand during these months!

Lumen · 31-05-2021 05:59AM

Does anyone have any evidence that 2k FPNs are still being issued?

No Garda stats published on this since 14 May, and that report showed a large drop compared to April

It's quite possible there is no enforcement at all, like all the useless checkpoints with Gardai just standing around collecting overtime at the tail end of the domestic travel restrictions. "Visible policing presence", eh? :pac:

31-05-2021 06:05AM

Lumen wrote: »

Does anyone have any evidence that 2k FPNs are still being issued?

No Garda stats published on this since 14 May, and that report showed a large drop compared to April

It's quite possible there is no enforcement at all, like all the useless checkpoints with Gardai just standing around collecting overtime at the tail end of the domestic travel restrictions. "Visible policing presence", eh? :pac:

I can tell you that the checkpoints remain in place and people being stopped. How many fines, I can't confirm.

Del Griffith · 31-05-2021 06:19AM

Lumen wrote: »

Does anyone have any evidence that 2k FPNs are still being issued?

No Garda stats published on this since 14 May, and that report showed a large drop compared to April

It's quite possible there is no enforcement at all, like all the useless checkpoints with Gardai just standing around collecting overtime at the tail end of the domestic travel restrictions. "Visible policing presence", eh? :pac:

No idea but I know two people that caught a flight at different times on Wednesday last week and no guards there when they went through.

Lumen · 31-05-2021 06:36AM

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

I can tell you that the checkpoints remain in place and people being stopped. How many fines, I can't confirm.

Is it more than zero?

ngunners · 31-05-2021 06:56AM

Lumen wrote: »

Is it more than zero?

According to a comment in a Facebook group I am in someone was fined last Friday.

Klonker · 31-05-2021 07:22AM

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

You know what a full stop is I assume? It plays an important role. So again, it's been stated multiple times that non essential travel will commence on that date.

Care to explain your statement that the fine is unenforceable by the way?

You said that they said the fine was in place until 19th July. I quoted the exact words you used saying this and you are somehow making out I'm twisting your words.

I already stated how the fine is unenforceable. And going by this article the guards seem to think so too, all a person has to do is put in a little effort to come up with an 'essential' reason.

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/gardai-suspiciousat-growing-numbers-flying-out-ofcountry-40483434.html

Are we there yet? Your second Travel Megathread (threadbans in OP}

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