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Eurovision Song Contest 2021

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  • #5402
    BobMc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,145 ✭✭✭BobMc


    overall think it was an excellent show this year, some quality songs, and while the winner is not 100% up my street its really grown on me, all the top 4 or 5 a very high standard this year, was rooting for france and switzerland in our house


  • #5403
    Pussyhands
    Registered Users Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭Pussyhands


    Can't stop listening to the afrojack interval medley.


  • #5404
    All that fandango
    Registered Users Posts: 331 ✭✭All that fandango


    Everyday since Eurovision I seem to have a different song from the contest stuck in my head. Currently it's Russian Woman by Mizhna. Yesterday it was the Danish 80s style entry. The day before yesterday it was Voilà. Makes a change from the usual durge on the radio.


  • #5405
    El_Duderino 09
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,547 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    All that fandango wrote: »
    Everyday since Eurovision I seem to have a different song from the contest stuck in my head. Currently it's Russian Woman by Mizhna. Yesterday it was the Danish 80s style entry. The day before yesterday it was Voilà. Makes a change from the usual durge on the radio.

    I'm the exact same! Yesterday it was the Italian one, today it's the Icelandic one!

    I haven't properly watched a Eurovision for years and it was great fun. Looking forward to next year's one already! Planning to organise a party for next year.


  • #5406
    Fandymo
    Registered Users Posts: 4,177 ✭✭✭Fandymo


    External Association wrote: »
    Sibéal would be an Eimear Quinn modern day version. She's a great singer and looks well, and with a good song could deliver. Think how she performed Mise Eire in Centenary in 2016.

    Deffo not Damien Dempsey, even in English he'd sound like a different language! In my opinion he's a very poor man's Luke Kelly or Liam Clancy. DC Fontaine etc all interesting.

    Fangclub would be a decent shout for Ireland. Rocky, grungy, but not really a copy of anyone else.


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  • #5407
    Welsh Megaman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,222 ✭✭✭✭Welsh Megaman


    Mapping out a path to 2022: Ireland’s Head of Delegation feels it’s time for the public to have a say :eek:

    But funding remains a big issue :rolleyes:


    https://wiwibloggs.com/2021/05/27/will-ireland-have-a-national-final-for-eurovision-2022/265544/


  • #5408
    Strazdas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,153 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Welsh Megaman wrote: »
    Mapping out a path to 2022: Ireland’s Head of Delegation feels it’s time for the public to have a say :eek:

    But funding remains a big issue :rolleyes:


    https://wiwibloggs.com/2021/05/27/will-ireland-have-a-national-final-for-eurovision-2022/265544/

    This sounds like good news though. It seems they may well be planning on ditching the internal selections and returning to a national song contest.

    He keeps talking about funding. Could they not get sponsorship for the national final or something? You would have thought Eurovision would be an attractive brand for any potential sponsor.


  • #5409
    Elmo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    Welsh Megaman wrote: »
    Mapping out a path to 2022: Ireland’s Head of Delegation feels it’s time for the public to have a say :eek:

    But funding remains a big issue :rolleyes:

    https://wiwibloggs.com/2021/05/27/will-ireland-have-a-national-final-for-eurovision-2022/265544/


    AFIAK the public have only had a say since You're A Star, previously Eurosong was voted on by Juries.

    Mention his comments in another thread https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057868730&page=485


  • #5410
    FileNotFound
    Registered Users Posts: 2,004 ✭✭✭FileNotFound


    A lot of talk about money being to blame on lack of competitiveness in Eurovision.
    But up to recently the budget was over 300k to send an act off to sing for a week.

    I am not sure more money will impact the quality of singer we send, she was poor and got last in the semi final never mind being a qualifier.

    The lights shows most acts use are non expensive, or sit someone who can actually sing down and let them do just that.

    Needs a real overhaul, I'd say take it off tv altogether and let 2fm run a competition to select act and song.

    Can't be any worse and would be much cheaper.


  • #5411
    Elmo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    FileNotFound wrote: »
    Needs a real overhaul, I'd say take it off tv altogether and let 2fm run a competition to select act and song.

    Can't be any worse and would be much cheaper.

    Imagine RTÉ want the Bord Gais Energy Theatre, you'd think they didn't have their own facilities.


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  • #5412
    SecretsOfEarth
    Registered Users Posts: 967 ✭✭✭SecretsOfEarth


    What a load of deflection and utter rubbish...if RTÉ are a "small, chronically underfunded broadcaster", surely they can't afford to pay salaries of €500,000 to D'Arcy and Tubridy, along with €400,000 to Joe Duffy for 75 minutes of work a day?

    Kealy is constantly using funding as an excuse for his own personal failures and Ireland's (at best) mediocrity at the contest since his time in charge began. I must ask - how well funded are the Moldovan broadcaster??


  • #5413
    FileNotFound
    Registered Users Posts: 2,004 ✭✭✭FileNotFound


    SecretsOfEarth wrote: »
    What a load of deflection and utter rubbish...if RTÉ are a "small, chronically underfunded broadcaster", surely they can't afford to pay salaries of €500,000 to D'Arcy and Tubridy, along with €400,000 to Joe Duffy for 75 minutes of work a day?

    Kealy is constantly using funding as an excuse for his own personal failures and Ireland's (at best) mediocrity at the contest since his time in charge began. I must ask - how well funded are the Moldovan broadcaster??

    We would quickly find that we have one of the larger eurovision budgets around I'd say.

    Silly stuff for RTE to be uttering, seems they are trying to deflect now that we know we were actually the worst act officially in the contest (well our semi).


  • #5414
    Elmo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    FileNotFound wrote: »
    ...we were actually the worst act officially in the contest (well our semi).

    Terrible to say I think we might have been the worst ! Even Denmark and Germany were at least having fun.

    Does the 300,000 include the price paid to the EBU? or is that just on staging and music rights? because if it is the later RTÉ are spending 400,000 to 500,000 on Eurovision.


  • #5415
    Strazdas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,153 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Elmo wrote: »
    Terrible to say I think we might have been the worst ! Even Denmark and Germany were at least having fun.

    Does the 300,000 include the price paid to the EBU? or is that just on staging and music rights? because if it is the later RTÉ are spending 400,000 to 500,000 on Eurovision.

    No, that would be the entire Eurovision budget including the fee to the EBU.

    I think the fee to enter is €80k or something.


  • #5416
    saabsaab
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    Elmo wrote: »
    AFIAK the public have only had a say since You're A Star, previously Eurosong was voted on by Juries.

    Mention his comments in another thread https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057868730&page=485


    Re brand it as Eurostar?


  • #5417
    tobefrank321
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,527 ✭✭✭tobefrank321


    For those who say we should send our best or most recognisable acts, eg Westlife, Enya, etc

    Jonny Logan won Eurovision twice, three times if you count 1992. It didn't exactly launch his career. Its probably the same for most eurovision winners with the odd exception, ABBA, Celine Dion, etc.

    Winning Eurovision is about the equivalent of winning The Voice. Its a nice to have, but you're not going to be that successful after it. Its a niche market and you also risk turning off traditional fans.

    Its just not worth the effort for major acts.


  • #5418
    odyssey06
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,135 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    tobefrank321 wrote: »
    For those who say we should send our best or most recognisable acts, eg Westlife, Enya, etc
    Jonny Logan won Eurovision twice, three times if you count 1994. It didn't exactly launch his career. Its probably the same for most eurovision winners with the odd exception, ABBA, Celine Dion, etc.
    Winning Eurovision is about the equivalent of winning The Voice. Its a nice to have, but you're not going to be that successful after it. Its a niche market and you also risk turning off traditional fans.
    Its just not worth the effort for major acts.

    It's a platform to build on, if you are a confident upcoming band who wants a bigger profile in Europe... somebody who wants to be 'major'.
    Or someone trying to stage a bit of a comeback.

    But if you're already 'premier division', it's not needed and as you say not worth the risk.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • #5419
    namloc1980
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,329 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Wasn't sure about Ukraine, but listened to it a few times during the week and think it's a total banger!


  • #5420
    RobertKK
    Registered Users Posts: 33,752 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK




    The sheer happiness in the semi finals from Italy and Germany when Ukraine and not Ireland got the 10th and final slot to the final :pac:


  • #5421
    LordBasil
    Registered Users Posts: 494 ✭✭LordBasil


    The 'Live on Tape' performances recorded by each artist in case they couldn't travel to Rotterdam will be released on the Eurovision Youtube Channel. First up later today is the Non-Qualifiers and tomorrow is the finalists.

    https://eurovision.tv/story/eurovision-song-celebration-2021

    However, the 'Live on Tape' performances of both Ireland & the UK will not be released as both artists want people to just remember their performance in Rotterdam. I was looking forward to seeing 'Maps' performed live without all that distracting staging. Maybe the performance was really cheap looking/bad....


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  • #5422
    yerwanthere123
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 7,533 Mod ✭✭✭✭yerwanthere123


    LordBasil wrote: »
    The 'Live on Tape' performances recorded by each artist in case they couldn't travel to Rotterdam will be released on the Eurovision Youtube Channel. First up later today is the Non-Qualifiers and tomorrow is the finalists.

    https://eurovision.tv/story/eurovision-song-celebration-2021

    However, the 'Live on Tape' performances of both Ireland & the UK will not be released as both artists want people to just remember their performance in Rotterdam. I was looking forward to seeing 'Maps' performed live without all that distracting staging. Maybe the performance was really cheap looking/bad....

    My first thought was perhaps it was even worse than the live one. Guess we'll never know now :o

    Great to see Maneskin's "I WANNA BE YOUR SLAVE" climbing the Spotify charts, currently #27 in Ireland and #33 in the UK. This must be one of the first times in recent years that a winner's previous back catalogue has started to make headway in the charts? Great to see, and particularly in this streaming era. The general narrative about Eurovision seems very different this year, feels a lot more respectful in tone, less talk about quirky costumes and bloc voting. Good news for the contest.


  • #5423
    fryup
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,067 ✭✭✭✭fryup


    tobefrank321 wrote: »

    Jonny Logan won Eurovision twice, three times if you count 1992. It didn't exactly launch his career. Its probably the same for most eurovision winners with the odd exception, ABBA, Celine Dion, etc.

    don't forget bucks fizz :)


  • #5424
    iffandonlyif
    Registered Users Posts: 577 ✭✭✭iffandonlyif


    RobertKK wrote: »


    The sheer happiness in the semi finals from Italy and Germany when Ukraine and not Ireland got the 10th and final slot to the final :pac:

    It's usually the Irish making all the noise.

    I'm glad Ukraine went through because of the quality of their song, but considering Eurovision is as much about European community spirit, a little ungenerous of other contests to show such bias.


  • #5425
    DebDynamite
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,668 ✭✭✭DebDynamite


    iffandonlyif wrote: »
    It's usually the Irish making all the noise.

    I'm glad Ukraine went through because of the quality of their song, but considering Eurovision is as much about European community spirit, a little ungenerous of other contests to show such bias.

    Sure I was like that when Ukraine was announced, and I’m Irish! The lead singer of Maneskin even said the Ukraine’s was his favourite song in the contes.


  • #5426
    DebDynamite
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,668 ✭✭✭DebDynamite


    yerwanthere123 wrote: »
    My first thought was perhaps it was even worse than the live one. Guess we'll never know now :o

    Great to see Maneskin's "I WANNA BE YOUR SLAVE" climbing the Spotify charts, currently #27 in Ireland and #33 in the UK. This must be one of the first times in recent years that a winner's previous back catalogue has started to make headway in the charts? Great to see, and particularly in this streaming era. The general narrative about Eurovision seems very different this year, feels a lot more respectful in tone, less talk about quirky costumes and bloc voting. Good news for the contest.

    Hopefully also with Arcade and Think about Things getting commercial and mainstream success, it might make other acts take the contest more seriously and lose the cheesy/camp reputation it was.


  • #5427
    tv3tg4
    Registered Users Posts: 533 ✭✭✭tv3tg4


    DebDynamite wrote: »
    Hopefully also with Arcade and Think about Things getting commercial and mainstream success, it might make other acts take the contest more seriously and lose the cheesy/camp reputation it was.

    Agreed. The aim of an act is to get their music out there and to do well in the competition.

    I think we need to send some act capable of this.


  • #5428
    captbarnacles
    Registered Users Posts: 1,972 ✭✭✭captbarnacles


    tobefrank321 wrote: »
    For those who say we should send our best or most recognisable acts, eg Westlife, Enya, etc

    Jonny Logan won Eurovision twice, three times if you count 1992. It didn't exactly launch his career. Its probably the same for most eurovision winners with the odd exception, ABBA, Celine Dion, etc.

    Winning Eurovision is about the equivalent of winning The Voice. Its a nice to have, but you're not going to be that successful after it. Its a niche market and you also risk turning off traditional fans.

    Its just not worth the effort for major acts.

    It is not though. The Eurovision has changed. It is a really big deal. Check out the views of the winners song and now their whole back catalogue. I think England and Ireland largely think it is the same as 20 years ago and remain bewildered bad result after bad result.

    I'd allow noone involved from RTE or otherwise be involved in picking or staging the next entry. New team needed.


  • #5429
    saabsaab
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    Could we ask Neil Hannon to write something?


  • #5430
    doc22
    Registered Users Posts: 890 ✭✭✭doc22


    LordBasil wrote: »
    The 'Live on Tape' performances recorded by each artist in case they couldn't travel to Rotterdam will be released on the Eurovision Youtube Channel. First up later today is the Non-Qualifiers and tomorrow is the finalists.

    https://eurovision.tv/story/eurovision-song-celebration-2021

    However, the 'Live on Tape' performances of both Ireland & the UK will not be released as both artists want people to just remember their performance in Rotterdam. I was looking forward to seeing 'Maps' performed live without all that distracting staging. Maybe the performance was really cheap looking/bad....

    In fairness to the UK and Ireland they both finish last and this could be more of a protest/wish to move on having filled their obligations and don't want to entertain the ESC vanity project


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  • #5431
    fryup
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,067 ✭✭✭✭fryup


    saabsaab wrote: »
    Could we ask Neil Hannon to write something?

    an equine song maybe?


  • #5432
    DebDynamite
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,668 ✭✭✭DebDynamite


    I hope I don’t blasted for this, but... do you think with the lack of sequins, rainbows, fancy dress, etc in the crowd this year, it made the contest look less camp? Loads of people seems to be tuning for the first time this year in years (as no one has anything else to be doing!), and they might have a different opinion now of the contest than if they watched it 2/3 years ago.

    Don’t get me wrong, I love the campness of it all, but to some people it it seems it’s a bit of a cheesefest.


  • #5433
    archfi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,617 ✭✭✭archfi


    DebDynamite wrote: »
    I hope I don’t blasted for this, but... do you think with the lack of sequins, rainbows, fancy dress, etc in the crowd this year, it made the contest look less camp? Loads of people seems to be tuning for the first time this year in years (as no one has anything else to be doing!), and they might have a different opinion now of the contest than if they watched it 2/3 years ago.

    Don’t get me wrong, I love the campness of it all, but to some people it it seem as a bit of a cheesefest.
    Yeah, much preferred the audience way back in seats and the 'green room' in front of the stage.
    Still got the atmosphere but annoying cheese level much reduced!:D

    The issue is never the issue; the issue is always the revolution.

    The Entryism process: 1) Demand access; 2) Demand accommodation; 3) Demand a seat at the table; 4) Demand to run the table; 5) Demand to run the institution; 6) Run the institution to produce more activists and policy until they run it into the ground.



  • #5434
    forumdedum
    Registered Users Posts: 1,356 ✭✭✭forumdedum


    saabsaab wrote: »
    Could we ask Neil Hannon to write something?

    I could never see such a genius sinking that low.


  • #5435
    Ash.J.Williams
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,164 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    forumdedum wrote: »
    I could never see such a genius sinking that low.

    Getting someone to write something has been the problem, we should try and send a current working band or artist and send them with one of their potential hits


  • #5436
    yerwanthere123
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 7,533 Mod ✭✭✭✭yerwanthere123


    Eurovision songs on the official Irish charts this week:

    #14 Maneskin - Zitti E Buoni
    #37 Go_A - Shum
    #38 Dadi Freyr - 10 Years
    #40 Barbara Pravi - Voila
    #51 Maneskin - I WANNA BE YOUR SLAVE
    #52 Gjon's Tears - Tout l'Univers
    #60 Elena Tsagrinou - El Diablo
    #62 Blind Channel - Dark Side
    #65 Duncan Laurence - Arcade
    #75 The Roop - Discotheque
    #79 Destiny - Je Me Casse
    #99 Tusse - Voices

    As I said a few pages back, this is great to see in the era of streaming. Very pleased that Maneskin's previous music is being noticed too, and that Arcade is still on people's minds also.


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  • #5437
    Welsh Megaman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,222 ✭✭✭✭Welsh Megaman


    Has it been a whole week already? :(


  • #5438
    DebDynamite
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,668 ✭✭✭DebDynamite


    Welsh Megaman wrote: »
    Has it been a whole week already? :(

    Champions League final just didn’t bring the same excitement :(


  • #5439
    Daphne Some Eyebrow
    Posts: 13,688 ✭✭✭✭ Daphne Some Eyebrow


    I'm still humming away to Tick-Tock.


  • #5440
    External Association
    Registered Users Posts: 1,295 ✭✭✭External Association


    RobertKK wrote: »


    The sheer happiness in the semi finals from Italy and Germany when Ukraine and not Ireland got the 10th and final slot to the final :pac:

    'And not Ireland'? There were 5 other countries, aswell as Ireland, with a chance of claiming that last 10th place for the final.


  • #5441
    yerwanthere123
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 7,533 Mod ✭✭✭✭yerwanthere123


    External Association wrote: »
    'And not Ireland'? There were 5 other countries, aswell as Ireland, with a chance of claiming that last 10th place for the final.

    Yeah, that kinda confused me too.


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  • #5442
    Deeper Blue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,823 ✭✭✭Deeper Blue


    LordBasil wrote: »
    However, the 'Live on Tape' performances of both Ireland & the UK will not be released as both artists want people to just remember their performance in Rotterdam.


    Why would anyone want to remember either of those performances? Both utterly dreadful.


  • #5443
    RobertKK
    Registered Users Posts: 33,752 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    External Association wrote: »
    'And not Ireland'? There were 5 other countries, aswell as Ireland, with a chance of claiming that last 10th place for the final.

    Just the home audience is here for Ireland.
    Ok people from the other countries too but not as many.


  • #5444
    External Association
    Registered Users Posts: 1,295 ✭✭✭External Association


    RobertKK wrote: »
    Just the home audience is here for Ireland.
    Ok people from the other countries too but not as many.

    It makes no sense that the Germans and Italians were cheering that the Ukraine got in over Ireland.

    Cheering that the Ukraine got in fair enough. But how can you surmise from it what/if any country they didn't want to get through?


  • #5445
    Strazdas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,153 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    RobertKK wrote: »
    Just the home audience is here for Ireland.
    Ok people from the other countries too but not as many.

    Ireland was not expected to qualify (and certainly not by the bookmakers) so it would be quite wrong to depict it as a Ukraine vs Ireland battle for the final envelope.


  • #5446
    Ponster
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 10,912 Mod ✭✭✭✭Ponster


    BobMc wrote: »
    overall think it was an excellent show this year, some quality songs, and while the winner is not 100% up my street its really grown on me, all the top 4 or 5 a very high standard this year, was rooting for france and switzerland in our house

    100% agree. I had France and Switzerland but can understand how Italy won once my niece showed me the supprt that they had.

    Up into 1999 countriws had to sing in their official languages. Since then neither ireland or UK have won. I think that we always had an advantage without realising it.


  • #5447
    Dodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,308 ✭✭✭✭Dodge


    Ponster wrote: »

    Up into 1999 countriws had to sing in their official languages. Since then neither ireland or UK have won. I think that we always had an advantage without realising it.

    I think we always knew a little to be fair but all of winners were excellent songs performed well. English wasn’t as omni present as a language for much of the time too

    3 of the last 5 winners have been Ukrainian, Portuguese or Italian so the language isn’t always the deciding factor


  • #5448
    forumdedum
    Registered Users Posts: 1,356 ✭✭✭forumdedum


    Ash.J.Williams wrote: »
    Getting someone to write something has been the problem, we should try and send a current working band or artist and send them with one of their potential hits

    Yes, but need someone with a voice too. I know UK have been poor on votes since they invaded Iraq but that last guy could not sing.


  • #5449
    yerwanthere123
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 7,533 Mod ✭✭✭✭yerwanthere123


    forumdedum wrote: »
    Yes, but need someone with a voice too. I know UK have been poor on votes since they invaded Iraq but that last guy could not sing.

    UK results since 2003 probably have more to do with the fact that they, almost exclusively, send total shíte.


  • #5450
    forumdedum
    Registered Users Posts: 1,356 ✭✭✭forumdedum


    yerwanthere123 wrote: »
    UK results since 2003 probably have more to do with the fact that they, almost exclusively, send total shíte.

    Possibly, hadn't watched it in almost 30 years until recently. Only because someone else had it on the TV


  • #5451
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,513 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    yerwanthere123 wrote: »
    UK results since 2003 probably have more to do with the fact that they, almost exclusively, send total shíte.

    the british sent these guys and they wonder why they do poorly

    2015Eurovision_Scooch_Getty74099678_master190515-920x610.jpg

    432788.jpg


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