Are we there yet? Your second Travel Megathread (threadbans in OP}

TomSweeney · 27-05-2021 07:59AM

Diarmuid wrote: »

The second most read article on BBC. Well done Ireland on sabotaging your own travel industry
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-57243205

This is because she later learned that the UK government advises that only private providers can be used for PCR tests for travel.

Money making racket, this is why I fear this PCR nonsense requirement will continue, even when we are all vaccinated

Rosereynolds · 27-05-2021 08:02AM

TomSweeney wrote: »

Money making racket, this is why I fear this PCR nonsense requirement will continue, even when we are all vaccinated

At least the EU are pushing for antigen tests, which would make it much more convenient and cheaper

gozunda · 27-05-2021 08:04AM

copeyhagen wrote: »

also reminds about what Germans used to say about the Nazis "dont blame them, they were told to do it"

Does it?

Are you somehow suggesting what the Gardai do is in anyway equivalent to what the Nazis did?

But more importantly why would anyway make an issue of gardai for simply asking people questions as part of their duties?

Dr. Em · 27-05-2021 08:04AM

Rosereynolds wrote: »

At least the EU are pushing for antigen tests, which would make it much more convenient and cheaper

Don't you still need the travel certificate from private providers in order for the antigen test to be valid for travel?

Rosereynolds · 27-05-2021 08:12AM

Dr. Em wrote: »

Don't you still need the travel certificate from private providers in order for the antigen test to be valid for travel?

Yes, I think you do still need them. But you can do the antigen in the airport an hour before you fly and get texted / emailed a qr code with a cert. will link up with airline apps and the green cert

gozunda · 27-05-2021 08:13AM

Rosereynolds wrote: »

At least the EU are pushing for antigen tests, which would make it much more convenient and cheaper

It looks like all tests will be required to be done by a service provider and for the moment will not include home tests. So not necessarily cheaper (depending on destination countries requirements)

Which tests will be accepted?

So-called *NAAT tests (including RT-PCR tests) and rapid antigen tests will be recognised. For the time being, this will not include self-tests.

https://www.euronews.com/2021/05/21/everything-you-need-to-know-about-the-eu-s-covid-travel-pass

*NAATs can use many different methods to amplify nucleic acids and detect the virus, including but not limited to:

Reverse transcription polymerase chain reaction (RT-PCR)

Isothermal amplification including: Nicking endonuclease amplification reaction (NEAR)

Transcription mediated amplification (TMA)

Loop-mediated isothermal amplification (LAMP)

Helicase-dependent amplification (HDA)

Clustered regularly interspaced short palindromic repeats (CRISPR)

Strand displacement amplification (SDA)

Rosereynolds · 27-05-2021 08:17AM

gozunda wrote: »

It looks like all tests will be required to be done by a service provider and for the moment will not include home tests

Yes, I think you will see a lot of airlines bundle it into their ticket price, much the same way you add bags. Randox have antigen in Dublin airport, but not many in the EU accepting it yet, but I think that will change over the next few weeks.

M_Murphy57 · 27-05-2021 08:19AM

Diarmuid wrote: »

The second most read article on BBC. Well done Ireland on sabotaging your own travel industry
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-57243205

The most pertinent bit for me is that the person rebooked to come via Belfast and drove down south hassle free.

Once again demonstrating these stupid rules with the uk dont keep us safer* they just take money and jobs away from Dublin airport

*not to mention the stupidity that the passenger had a negative test but because she didnt pay money for it wasnt allowed board. Because that's how covid works.

Once again, I hope FF and the Greens lose every seat in the next election.

pc7 · 27-05-2021 08:25AM

M_Murphy57 wrote: »

The most pertinent bit for me is that the person rebooked to come via Belfast and drove down south hassle free.

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This all day long! They better announce decisions tomorrow that make sense, its enough now. The vaccine rollout is going well, it works, end of.

27-05-2021 08:30AM

Strange that there are no leaks yet!

27-05-2021 08:42AM

copeyhagen wrote: »

also reminds about what Germans used to say about the Nazis "dont blame them, they were told to do it"

FFS
Full godwin.

27-05-2021 08:46AM

M_Murphy57 wrote: »

Once again, I hope FF and the Greens lose every seat in the next election.

Is there a party that has been opposed to any covid restrictions?

Wallander · 27-05-2021 09:25AM

The new ECDC travel map is out. Big swathes of yellow right across Europe now. I expect Germany and all of Italy to go yellow next week due to plumetting infection rates:

https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/covid-19/situation-updates/weekly-maps-coordinated-restriction-free-movement

M_Murphy57 · 27-05-2021 09:39AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Strange that there are no leaks yet!

What?!

Did you not hear? Indoor dining and aviation either early July, mid July or August. Is that not enough detail for you?

40-45 can register for vaccine "soon" and in "coming days"

CTA will either be opened with no restrictions whatsoever because the indian variant is not concerning, or UK travellers will be added to the MHQ list because the Indian variant is very concerning.

Maybe a 105 minute indoor dining limit all summer or maybe not.

That's very clear to me.

copeyhagen · 27-05-2021 09:45AM

bubblypop wrote: »

FFS
Full godwin.

it was suppsoed to be tongue in cheek ffs, i was hardly comparing them to Nazis :rolleyes:

Dr. Em · 27-05-2021 09:47AM

Wallander wrote: »

The new ECDC travel map is out. Big swathes of yellow right across Europe now. I expect Germany and all of Italy to go yellow next week due to plumetting infection rates:

https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/covid-19/situation-updates/weekly-maps-coordinated-restriction-free-movement

Woo! May it continue.

josip · 27-05-2021 10:20AM

Wallander wrote: »

The new ECDC travel map is out. Big swathes of yellow right across Europe now. I expect Germany and all of Italy to go yellow next week due to plumetting infection rates:

https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/covid-19/situation-updates/weekly-maps-coordinated-restriction-free-movement

Interesting to see the changes (purely from a colour coding perspective) over the past 2 weeks.

kilns · 27-05-2021 10:23AM

Dr. Em wrote: »

Woo! May it continue.

Cases are dropping dramatically everywhere, look at France, next week they will turn yellow also their 7 day average has been been cut by 50% every 14 days from this day last month it was around 30,000 cases now it is around 8000 cases

OPEN UP IRELAND

gozunda · 27-05-2021 10:24AM

Diarmuid wrote: »

You're welcome to start a thread on boards.pt about that.

Why? That's part of the article you linked and refers to the same issue happening between the UK and Portugal as well as between the UK and Ireland due to UK regulations on PCR tests

Kinda negates the whole idea of Ireland sabotaging itself or whatever...

Lumen · 27-05-2021 10:26AM

kilns wrote: »

Cases are dropping dramatically everywhere

Not in Finland and parts of Norway. See the coloured maps above.

kilns · 27-05-2021 10:27AM

Lumen wrote: »

Not in Finland and parts of Norway. See the coloured maps above.

wow ok, almost everywhere

gozunda · 27-05-2021 10:28AM

Lumen wrote: »

Not in Finland and parts of Norway. See the coloured maps above.

Lots of variation tbh.

Sweden looks particularly out of sync ... :eek:

Italy and eastern Europe seem to be making very good progress.

brickster69 · 27-05-2021 10:31AM

Lumen wrote: »

Not in Finland and parts of Norway. See the coloured maps above.

The reason the cases are so low is the lack of testing going on. If you look at the deaths compared to cases some countries are currently at 10% which is not normal.

Lumen · 27-05-2021 10:35AM

brickster69 wrote: »

The reason the cases are so low is the lack of testing going on. If you look at the deaths compared to cases some countries are currently at 10% which is not normal.

The combined measure of case rate and positivity rate should deal with this, since if there's only testing of diseased people the positivity rate shoots up.

The charts under discussion used the combined measure.

Lumen · 27-05-2021 10:40AM

kilns wrote: »

wow ok, almost everywhere

What's happening is that a few countries (like France) are coming off the end of waves of infection, but countries with low levels of infection (like Ireland and the Nordics) have stopped making progress for now.

The distinction is important in this thread, since it's possible based on past statements that we will have completely unrestricted travel from green countries.

This matters for families and young people who can't be vaccinated yet, but might get tripped up by a PCR test a couple of days before departure.

Based on the experience of the UK and Israel we should see the infection and positivity rates start to drop everywhere in the EU within the next few weeks.

TomSweeney · 27-05-2021 10:44AM

Wallander wrote: »

The new ECDC travel map is out. Big swathes of yellow right across Europe now. I expect Germany and all of Italy to go yellow next week due to plumetting infection rates:

https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/covid-19/situation-updates/weekly-maps-coordinated-restriction-free-movement

So green is less than 25 cases per 100k ?

Impossible to achieve even with vaccination for an endemic virus.
This sh1tshow will never end.
We see here in Spain it always bottoms out at around 100/100k, then starts to rise again because all of this is a series of peaks and valleys.

As more and more are vaccinated using case rate is pointless - yet they still do so - Why ? why ????

WHY ????

Lumen · 27-05-2021 10:46AM

TomSweeney wrote: »

So green is less than 25 cases per 100k ?

Impossible to achieve even with vaccination for an endemic virus.

There are several green countries already, so you are literally denying reality.

Ray Donovan · 27-05-2021 10:47AM

TomSweeney wrote: »

So green is less than 25 cases per 100k ?

Impossible to achieve even with vaccination for an endemic virus.
This sh1tshow will never end.
We see here in Spain it always bottoms out at around 100/100k, then starts to rise again because all of this is a series of peaks and valleys.

As more and more are vaccinated using case rate is pointless - yet they still do so.

This 100%. Case rates are irrelevant now.

Hospitalisation and ICU numbers should be the focus. And that is pretty low.

TomSweeney · 27-05-2021 10:48AM

Lumen wrote: »

There are several green countries already, so you are literally denying reality.

Must be because they just aren't testing, do you really think less than 25 people in a population of 100,000 have covid ?

Remember this virus is endemic.

M_Murphy57 · 27-05-2021 10:51AM

kilns wrote: »

Cases are dropping dramatically everywhere, look at France, next week they will turn yellow also their 7 day average has been been cut by 50% every 14 days from this day last month it was around 30,000 cases now it is around 8000 cases

OPEN UP IRELAND

Amazing they managed to do this without 7 months of level 5 restrictions too. I think it was 4 weeks last month where they had a milder version of what we were subjected to (bar a 3 week break) since last october and yet they still managed to get case nos down.

It's as if our old sledge hammer for a nut approach is poor risk management that makes the cure worse than the disease and only succeeds in needlessly destroying our own economy.

Are we there yet? Your second Travel Megathread (threadbans in OP}

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