Are we there yet? Your second Travel Megathread (threadbans in OP}

gozunda

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

7 days

Thanks. Yup I had put 14 instead of 7. Hands up. Mea culpa. I'll take myself outside for a good talking too :rolleyes:

You may have noticed the OP didn't mention 7 days or any wait period. So nothing implied or meant as a contradiction as suggested in previous rather argumentative reply. But no bother...

Marcusm

gozunda wrote: »

Who was I contradicting btw?

Absolutely no need for any snarky comment.

You were contradicting the person who said 7 and without any grounds and your manner was what I found snarky!

Marcusm

gozunda wrote: »

Thanks. Yup I had put 14 instead of 7. Hands up. Mea culpa. I'll take myself outside for a good talking too :rolleyes:

You may have noticed the OP didn't mention 7 days or any wait period. So nothing implied or meant as a contradiction as suggested in previous rather argumentative reply. But no bother...

The OP had made the effort to do the calculation! I see you have amended your post so I guess that means you see it as inappropriate.

gozunda

Marcusm wrote: »

You were contradicting the person who said 7 and without any grounds and your manner was what I found snarky!

No reference whatsoever to the number "7" or any wait period in the OPs comment. So incorrect

Marcusm wrote: »

The OP had made the effort to do the calculation! I see you have amended your post so I guess that means you see it as inappropriate.

So you admit you were incorrect when you claimed the OP had said "7. Fair enough.

Really "Inappropriate? Lol. Well if you mean I put down the wrong figure and then corrected . I guess.

And If you bother to check there's no reference to any wait period. The reference appears to be a date of vaccination and travel (which is less than "7" days btw)

Not entertaining any more shyte. So I'll leave you at it.

Diarmuid

The second most read article on BBC. Well done Ireland on sabotaging your own travel industry
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-57243205

JojoLoca

I have just seen in one of my FB groups, a reply from Regina Doherty to a person who inquired about MHQ for Irish residents and EU nationals.
She said that they are extending MHQ until 31st of July, but she expects the remaining EU countries to be removed from it from next week. With that plus Covid cert she expects a freedom of travel to resume within EU at the start of July. No mention of €2k fine.
Let’s see what they will announce tomorrow

Lumen

Diarmuid wrote: »

The second most read article on BBC. Well done Ireland on sabotaging your own travel industry
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-57243205

It looks like this particular issue was caused by Ryanair staff applying UK inbound standards to outbound travel.

Ireland requires pre-departure testing from the departure country that will be acceptable in Ireland, not in the departure country, but...

The airline also referred to the Department for Transport guidance that private testing should be used

e.g. on the NI site

https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/articles/coronavirus-covid-19-taking-covid-19-test-travelling-northern-ireland

"You must use a private test provider for the test and not an NHS test."

On the IE gov site:

https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/b4020-travelling-to-ireland-during-the-covid-19-pandemic/#requirement-for-a-pre-departure-covid-19-rt-pcr-test

...there is no mention of private-only PCR tests.

Aer Lingus say:

https://www.aerlingus.com/support/covid19-information/entry-requirements-for-ireland/

"Aer Lingus will require all customers to present evidence (e.g. email, text of document) of a negative RT-PCR test result - that can subsequently be verified by Border Control staff in Ireland - prior to boarding."

So maybe...don't travel with Ryanair because they're muppets?

gozunda

Lumen wrote: »

It looks like this particular issue was caused by Ryanair staff applying UK inbound standards to outbound travel.

Ireland requires pre-departure testing from the departure country that will be acceptable in Ireland, not in the departure country, but...

...

Agreed the article detailed the incident happened airside in the UK.

She believed her latest test result from work could be used for travel, because it met the testing standard required by the Irish authorities. However, Sally was refused boarding.
... she later learned that the UK government advises that only private providers can be used for PCR tests for travel

It was so poorly managed by Ryanair ground staff, there was dismal customer service, there was no way we could speak to anybody, and we were treated like criminals."

The same article details another woman being refused boarding a flight from the UK to Portugal for exactly the same reason

Terrible Ireland has sabotaged Portugals travel industry as well :rolleyes:

Diarmuid

Lumen wrote: »

It looks like this particular issue was caused by Ryanair staff applying UK inbound standards to outbound travel.

Ireland requires pre-departure testing from the departure country that will be acceptable in Ireland, not in the departure country, but...

....

So maybe...don't travel with Ryanair because they're muppets?

As the saying goes, if you're explaining you're losing.

I doubt many who read this article are either going to read your explanation of why Ryanair are wrong or fly with a less competitive airline.

This obviously isn't going to put off committed travelers to Ireland. It is another black mark against Ireland as an attractive travel destination for the millions that just want to go abroad on hols.

Diarmuid

gozunda wrote: »

The same article details another woman being refused boarding a flight from the UK to Portugal for exactly the same reason

Terrible Ireland has sabotaged Portugals travel industry as well :rolleyes:

You're welcome to start a thread on boards.pt about that.

Diarmuid

Diarmuid wrote: »

This obviously isn't going to put off committed travelers to Ireland. It is another black mark against Ireland as an attractive travel destination for the millions that just want to go abroad on hols.

No it's not.
people will just make sure they have the correct test to enter. My cousin came in from the.UK yesterday, no issues.

gozunda

Diarmuid wrote: »

As the saying goes, if you're explaining you're losing.
I doubt many who read this article are either going to read your explanation of why Ryanair are wrong or fly with a less competitive airline.

This obviously isn't going to put off committed travelers to Ireland. It is another black mark against Ireland as an attractive travel destination for the millions that just want to go abroad on hols.

Well tbf the facts are fairly clear in the article

Its simply mud slinging to imply there's fault where it was clearly UK regulations which were being applied and requested by the airline

Oh did I mention the article details the exact same thing happened to a UK traveller to Portugal?

So no does not compute as they say ...

Lumen

Diarmuid wrote: »

As the saying goes, if you're explaining you're losing.

I doubt many who read this article are either going to read your explanation of why Ryanair are wrong or fly with a less competitive airline.

This obviously isn't going to put off committed travelers to Ireland. It is another black mark against Ireland as an attractive travel destination for the millions that just want to go abroad on hols.

You're simply misattributing the blame here. It's the UK that has a restrictive policy on PCR testing being done by private providers, not Ireland, and it's Ryanair that mistakenly applied these to departing passengers.

What's your argument exactly? That Ireland should drop the pre-boarding PCR testing requirement to compensate for Ryanair's incompetence?

Del Griffith

Lumen wrote: »

It looks like this particular issue was caused by Ryanair staff applying UK inbound standards to outbound travel.

Ireland requires pre-departure testing from the departure country that will be acceptable in Ireland, not in the departure country, but...



e.g. on the NI site

https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/articles/coronavirus-covid-19-taking-covid-19-test-travelling-northern-ireland

"You must use a private test provider for the test and not an NHS test."

On the IE gov site:

https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/b4020-travelling-to-ireland-during-the-covid-19-pandemic/#requirement-for-a-pre-departure-covid-19-rt-pcr-test

...there is no mention of private-only PCR tests.

Aer Lingus say:

https://www.aerlingus.com/support/covid19-information/entry-requirements-for-ireland/

"Aer Lingus will require all customers to present evidence (e.g. email, text of document) of a negative RT-PCR test result - that can subsequently be verified by Border Control staff in Ireland - prior to boarding."

So maybe...don't travel with Ryanair because they're muppets?

I don't know about a necessity for the letters P,C and R, but you can't use a free test to travel into Ireland either.

This all stems from that really, the racket that is the €140 private tests. The government funded ones are literally the same test but apparently not good enough, the extortionate price of the private test each way being yet another handy financial burden on people looking to travel.

Van.Bosch

Del Griffith wrote: »

I don't know about a necessity for the letters P,C and R, but you can't use a free test to travel into Ireland either.

This all stems from that really, the racket that is the €140 private tests. The government funded ones are literally the same test but apparently not good enough, the extortionate price of the private test each way being yet another handy financial burden on people looking to travel.

Yes - did Ryanair not do the right thing here?

Lumen

Del Griffith wrote: »

I don't know about a necessity for the letters P,C and R, but you can't use a free test to travel into Ireland either.

Where is this documented?

1123heavy

Del Griffith wrote: »

I don't know about a necessity for the letters P,C and R, but you can't use a free test to travel into Ireland either.

This all stems from that really, the racket that is the €140 private tests. The government funded ones are literally the same test but apparently not good enough, the extortionate price of the private test each way being yet another handy financial burden on people looking to travel.

More proof that this stopped being about a virus a long time ago

faceman

bubblypop wrote: »

It's like the police are doing the job they have been told to do by the government of the day.
AGS should never have had to police a health crisis, but it is what it is.
Don't blame the police for actually doing their job.

“Just doing their job” is no excuse for ignorance, rudeness and a lack of compassion. It costs nothing to be polite when enforcing laws.

Next up, “Not all gardai are all like that”

lcstress2012

Can anyone hazard a guess for what the government announcement on travel will be tomorrow?

faceman

faceman wrote: »

“Just doing their job” is no excuse for ignorance, rudeness and a lack of compassion. It costs nothing to be polite when enforcing laws.

Next up, “No all gardai are all like that”

I agree, politeness costs nothing.
Of course, the poster did not say that the guard was rude, or lacking in compassion or anything like it.

He merely said he gave the guy a 'grilling' which means questions, as far as I know. Sad state of affairs if a guard cannot question someone,as per the law, without someone being embarrassed!

matrim

Lumen wrote: »

Where is this documented?

From the NHS https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/testing/get-tested-for-coronavirus/

Travelling abroad
If you're travelling abroad, you may need to get a test before you travel. You need to pay for a test privately and should not get a free test from the NHS.

Lumen

matrim wrote: »

From the NHS https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/coronavirus-covid-19/testing/get-tested-for-coronavirus/

Thanks, but the question related to tests acceptable in Ireland.

matrim

Lumen wrote: »

Thanks, but the question related to tests acceptable in Ireland.

The people giving the test say it's not suitable for travel so why would the airline accept it. And it wasn't Ireland that didn't accept it. It was Ryanair.

Rosereynolds

Del Griffith wrote: »

I don't know about a necessity for the letters P,C and R, but you can't use a free test to travel into Ireland either.

This all stems from that really, the racket that is the €140 private tests. The government funded ones are literally the same test but apparently not good enough, the extortionate price of the private test each way being yet another handy financial burden on people looking to travel.

I think you can get PCR tests for €79 now. And they are cheaper coming back in most countries

copeyhagen

faceman wrote: »

“Just doing their job” is no excuse for ignorance, rudeness and a lack of compassion. It costs nothing to be polite when enforcing laws.

Next up, “No all gardai are all like that”

also reminds about what Germans used to say about the Nazis "dont blame them, they were told to do it"

Lumen

matrim wrote: »

The people giving the test say it's not suitable for travel so why would the airline accept it. And it wasn't Ireland that didn't accept it. It was Ryanair.

The airline should accept what the destination country accepts. That's why I'm asking for the official documentation from the Irish authorities on which PCR tests are acceptable.

matrim

Lumen wrote: »

The airline should accept what the destination country accepts. That's why I'm asking for the official documentation from the Irish authorities on which PCR tests are acceptable.

Ryanair don't accept drivers license as proof of identity despite it being valid travel documentation. They are free to make their own subset of the rules.

kilns

So which politician will we see running to the media first today to give all the "good news"

My money is on Varadkar

yer man!

Donald Trump wrote: »

The poor snowflake better steer clear of US CBP if questions upset him so much!

US CBP are more than pleasant when you're trying to leave their country

Dr. Em

Diarmuid wrote: »

The second most read article on BBC. Well done Ireland on sabotaging your own travel industry
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-57243205

In a way, articles like this show how little people have travelled during the pandemic. In Jan and Feb, approximately 1 out of every 4 in the very long check-in queue in front of me were turned away for not having the required documents. A lot of them didn't realise that you had to check not just the rules for your destination, but also for any transit country on the way. This is why the EU green card is going to be a problem if the same standards aren't applied in all countries.