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    #662
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    bubblypop wrote: »
    https://www.government.se/articles/2017/02/facts-about-migration-and-crime-in-sweden/

    Government website with links to many studies.

    Includes this;
    Facts: The Swedish National Council for Crime Prevention (Brå) has conducted two studies on the representation of people with foreign backgrounds among crime suspects, the most recent in 2005.

    Pretty sure Biko, you're well aware they don't publish any statistics on the ethnicity of offenders, it's not the first time it's come up on this thread.

    https://www.bra.se/bra-in-english/home/crime-and-statistics/crime-statistics.html
    They record offenders by age and sex.

    As you say yourself, the second link doesnt publish any stats based on ethnicity , thats not evidence they don't record ethnicity.


    The first says this:

    "Facts: The Swedish National Council for Crime Prevention (Brå) has conducted two studies on the representation of people with foreign backgrounds among crime suspects..."

    How could they do it, if they weren't recording it?
    Does this not contradict your claim?


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    #663
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    MikeOxsgreen wrote: »
    As you say yourself, the second link doesnt publish any stats based on ethnicity , thats not evidence they don't record ethnicity.


    The first says this:

    "Facts: The Swedish National Council for Crime Prevention (Brå) has conducted two studies on the representation of people with foreign backgrounds among crime suspects..."

    How could they do it, if they weren't recording it?
    Does this not contradict your claim?

    It also states that the last time they did that was 2005.
    This time they started with convicted people in prison and sort of worked backwards.

    I'm not trying to dispute any crime statistics that exist, I'm merely saying I know they do not record those details. So, I am sceptical of their results.
    Which is fair enough, I would think.


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    #664
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    bubblypop wrote: »
    It also states that the last time they did that was 2005.
    This time they started with convicted people in prison and sort of worked backwards.

    I'm not trying to dispute any crime statistics that exist, I'm merely saying I know they do not record those details. So, I am sceptical of their results.
    Which is fair enough, I would think.

    Youre not disputing, merely questioning them....

    Reread your own link, it refers to a later study done (in 2013 i think).
    Anyway. When you make a bold claim (several times) , the onus is on you to substantiate the claim.
    For someone at great pains to state they don't record ethnicity, your evidence is wanting.


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    #665
    biko
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    The two worst rape cases in Swedish history are the above case I mentioned from 2014 and another in 2011.
    In the 2011 case there were 8 men from Afghanistan that raped a Swedish woman so bad she had to use a wheelchair for a month afterwards.
    https://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/a/m68Wll/kvinnan-valdtogs-i-flera-timmar

    Some were deported for 15 years after conviction.


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    #666
    biko
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    Sweden 1980
    Not even 1 percent of Sweden's population have roots in a non-European country.

    Sweden 2021
    33.5% of all residents have foreign background.
    Foreigners accounted for 99% of the population increase in 2020

    In 40 years Sweden went from one of the most homogenous countries in the western world to one of the least.
    That's one and a half generation.

    https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=&sl=auto&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Ftobiashubinette.wordpress.com%2F
    https://sputniknews.com/europe/201906241076032363-sweden-record-population-change/


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    #667
    biko
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    biko wrote: »
    Another victory for Swedish government..

    https://www.thelocal.se/20191114/six-pistols-stolen-from-building-where-swedens-pm-works
    Six Glock-17 pistols and 300 dumdum bullets have been stolen from the building that houses the offices of Sweden's prime minister, to the embarrassment of the country's government.

    "They don't want this to come out, it's all being hushed up," a source told Dagens Juridik, Sweden's leading legal newspaper, which broke the story.

    The weapons and the ammunition were kept in a weapons cabinet in the Rosenbad building, next to Stockholm's Royal Palace. They were intended to be handed out to the buildings security guards in the event of a major security incident, such as a terror threat or attack.
    The was an investigation into how up to 10 Glocks and hundreds of bullets were stolen from the Swedish Dail.

    One found one weapon in the possession of 15yo boy.
    The rest are still missing.

    The investigation and thus the criminal case are now dropped.
    https://www.dagensjuridik.se/nyheter/utredningen-om-vapenstolderna-pa-regeringskansliet-nedlagd/


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    biko wrote: »
    Sweden 1980
    Not even 1 percent of Sweden's population have roots in a non-European country.

    Sweden 2021
    33.5% of all residents have foreign background.
    Foreigners accounted for 99% of the population increase in 2020

    In 40 years Sweden went from one of the most homogenous countries in the western world to one of the least.
    That's one and a half generation.

    https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=&sl=auto&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Ftobiashubinette.wordpress.com%2F
    https://sputniknews.com/europe/201906241076032363-sweden-record-population-change/


    Foreign background could mean Finns and Norwegians, Danes and Poles, or anyone really.

    Does this statistic quote switch between ethnicity and nationality?

    Non-europeans .... but then 'foreigners'. Two different categories.


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    #669
    biko
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    Foreign background = you or your parents were not born in Sweden.

    Hübinette himself were adopted into Sweden from Korea and work as a researcher of whiteness studies of the native Swedes.

    This is a section from one of his papers
    Our hope for the future as anti-racists and as feminists is therefore that a transformative moment will occur that will allow the mourning of the passing of “old Sweden” and “good Sweden” to project itself towards a more constructive understanding of the future of Swedishness.

    However, in order to accomplish and reach this moment of transformation it is absolutely necessary to acknowledge the fact that the object of love is irretrievably and irrevocably lost, however painful that may be to take in and accept.
    Even the "antiracist" points out that the old country that took him in and raised him is irrevocably lost.


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    #670
    Dyr
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    biko wrote: »
    The was an investigation into how up to 10 Glocks and hundreds of bullets were stolen from the Swedish Dail.

    One found one weapon in the possession of 15yo boy.
    The rest are still missing.

    The investigation and thus the criminal case are now dropped.
    https://www.dagensjuridik.se/nyheter/utredningen-om-vapenstolderna-pa-regeringskansliet-nedlagd/

    Was it the Swedes who managed to lose entire caches of army weaponry, including anti tank rockets, in the Scandinavian biker wars back in the 90s?


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    Doctor Roast
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    biko wrote: »
    Foreign background = you or your parents were not born in Sweden.

    Hübinette himself were adopted into Sweden from Korea and work as a researcher of whiteness studies of the native Swedes.

    This is a section from one of his papers

    Even the "antiracist" points out that the old country that took him in and raised him is irrevocably lost.

    Reminds me of old Sutherland...

    "He told the House of Lords committee migration was a "crucial dynamic for economic growth" in some EU nations "however difficult it may be to explain this to the citizens of those states".

    "He told the committee: "The United States, or Australia and New Zealand, are migrant societies and therefore they accommodate more readily those from other backgrounds than we do ourselves, who still nurse a sense of our homogeneity and difference from others.

    "And that's precisely what the European Union, in my view, should be doing its best to undermine."

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-18519395


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    #672
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    Bambi wrote: »
    Was it the Swedes who managed to lose entire caches of army weaponry, including anti tank rockets, in the Scandinavian biker wars back in the 90s?
    Yep....the Hells Angels used an RPG to blow up a rivals clubhouse.....an old couple were killed from the debris

    Wanna support genocide?Cheer on the murder of women and children?The Ruzzians aren't rapey enough for you? Morally bankrupt cockroaches and islamaphobes , Israel needs your help NOW!!

    http://tinyurl.com/2ksb4ejk


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_war_crimes

    https://www.btselem.org/



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    #673
    biko
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    The amount of children born from non-Swedish parents is increasing:
    In 2020, 30% of all children were born to a foreign-born mother.
    20% of all children mother who'd immigrated from Africa or Asia:

    Around 50% of all children born in 2020 had a mother with some form of foreign background

    https://tobiashubinette.wordpress.com/2021/04/28/ar-2020-hade-30-av-alla-barn-som-foddes-en-utrikes-fodd-mor-och-20-av-alla-barn-som-foddes-under-samma-ar-hade-en-mor-som-invandrat-fran-afrika-eller-asien-totalt-hade-runt-50-av-alla-barn-som-foddes/


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    #674
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    biko wrote: »
    The amount of children born from non-Swedish parents is increasing:


    https://tobiashubinette.wordpress.com/2021/04/28/ar-2020-hade-30-av-alla-barn-som-foddes-en-utrikes-fodd-mor-och-20-av-alla-barn-som-foddes-under-samma-ar-hade-en-mor-som-invandrat-fran-afrika-eller-asien-totalt-hade-runt-50-av-alla-barn-som-foddes/

    Isn't that great?
    Good to see new blood coming in


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    #675
    DelaneyIn
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    bubblypop wrote: »
    Isn't that great?
    Good to see new blood coming in

    What’s wrong with the “old blood?”


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    #676
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    DelaneyIn wrote: »
    What’s wrong with the “old blood?”

    Not a thing!


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    #677
    Wibbs
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    DelaneyIn wrote: »
    What’s wrong with the “old blood?”
    It's not nearly exotic enough.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



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    #678
    Hamachi
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    DelaneyIn wrote: »
    What’s wrong with the “old blood?”

    In the mindsets of some, 50% migration background is perfectly normal and natural.

    Nothing to see here - move along...


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    #679
    biko
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    I guess some just don't like the old traditional countries they way we remember them.
    I kinda liked when a murder was a big deal, not a notice on page 7.
    When cars weren't torched every night and when girls could go outside alone.

    Just me being silly and sentimental of course.


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    #680
    Feisar
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    biko wrote: »
    I guess some just don't like the old traditional countries they way we remember them.
    I kinda liked when a murder was a big deal, not a notice on page 7.
    When cars weren't torched every night and when girls could go outside alone.

    Just me being silly and sentimental of course.

    The past is a foreign country; they do things differently there.

    First they came for the socialists...



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    #681
    biko
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    People try to make out like these changes for the worse are inevitable. They are not.


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    #682
    conorhal
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    Feisar wrote: »
    The past is a foreign country; they do things differently there.


    And the future is an undiscovered country, yet we build the roads that reach it. Right now Sweden is paving a highway to hell...


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    biko wrote: »
    I guess some just don't like the old traditional countries they way we remember them.
    I kinda liked when a murder was a big deal, not a notice on page 7.
    When cars weren't torched every night and when girls could go outside alone.

    Just me being silly and sentimental of course.

    Sorry biko, you can't blame our massive increase in murders on any foreigners.
    I guess Ireland isn't the same as it used to be either...........


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    #684
    biko
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    By the time you react Bubbly it will be too late.
    At least you won't be able to say no-one told you.


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    biko wrote: »
    By the time you react Bubbly it will be too late.
    At least you won't be able to say no-one told you.

    React to what though?


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    #686
    biko
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    Sweden is now the winners of the EuroShooting contest.

    The Social Democrats/Greens have turned Sweden around from one of the countries with the least fatal shootings to the very top.
    Sweden is at the top when it comes to fatal shootings in Europe.
    It is also the only country where lethal violence with firearms has increased since 2000.
    - It is quite clear that the increase that Sweden is showing cannot be observed anywhere else in Europe, says Klara Hradilova Selin, investigator at the Swedish Crime Prevention Agency.
    https://www.expressen.se/nyheter/sveriges-okning-av-skjutvapenvald-unik-i-europa/

    I'm not sure what have gotten into the Swedes recently but I'm sure someone will be along to explain.


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    #687
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    It's like Sweden is trying to win a Darwin award


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    #688
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    2002 - honour killing sparks debate about integration clearly ignored
    https://www.theguardian.com/theguardian/2002/jan/31/guardianweekly.guardianweekly1

    Fast forward to today and women are being murdered in increasing numbers

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-56977771

    The solution seems to be to not record ethnicity in crime stats.


    Bizarre


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    #689
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    In January 2017, the Löfven cabinet denied the request from member parliament Staffan Danielsson to update the BRÅ statistics on crime with respect to national or immigration background of the perpetrator, as had previously been done in 1995, 2005 but the 2015 was overdue

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Sweden

    Statistics_Sweden_%28SCB%29_annual_Immigration_and_Emigration_2000-2017.png

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    #690
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    bubblypop wrote: »
    Not a thing!

    If there is nothing wrong with the 'old blood', why is seeing 'new blood' then a positive?


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    #691
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    Hhhhh wrote: »
    If there is nothing wrong with the 'old blood', why is seeing 'new blood' then a positive?

    Because there is nothing wrong with new blood either.
    It's not an either/or situation. Both is good.


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