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Black people Racism in Workplace in Ireland

  • 26-05-2021 11:15am
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,270 ✭✭✭


    Boni Odoemene, co-founder of Black and Irish, says while the demonstrations highlighted the issue of racism in Ireland, he believes there is still a long way to go.

    "There has been somewhat change in the country, in regards to mainstream discourse, and highlighting the issues that are faced by many black and mixed race people in Ireland," he said.

    "One year one, there is still a lot of work to be done.

    "Overall there has been a lot more awareness around the issues around race and racism in Ireland, but there is still a lot of work to be done as we move forward as a country."

    https://www.q102.ie/news/q102-news/more-work-needed-to-address-racism-in-ireland/

    We need to have a conversation around racism in Ireland. It was highlighted earlier in the week on the Claire Byrne. The problem doesn't seem to be getting any better. There is a massive problem with unemployment in the black community. People coming here as asylum seekers need to be supported in education with regard to language skills and suitable working skills. A lot of Irish people don't want to discuss this issue, but it has been shown that there is the problem with racism is worsening here.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 997 ✭✭✭Mike Murdock


    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    Maybe Boni has to ask himself the question as to why more people in the black community are not as driven as he is to embrace education.

    Have you seen his CV?

    Guy has a Law Degree and a Masters's in International Relations and a pretty extensive working record here and in the UK.

    Education, hard work, and resilience are the keys.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,220 ✭✭✭✭biko


    There seems to be a lot of people trying to make room for themselves using the racism angle lately.
    These people seem to do very well for themselves, have great jobs and be highly educated.
    At least the racist Irish didn't stop them from that.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,993 ✭✭✭randd1


    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    Maybe Boni has to ask himself the question as to why more people in his community are not as driven as he is to embrace education.

    Have you seen his CV?

    Guy has a Law Degree and a Masters's in International Relations and a pretty extensive working record here and in the UK.

    Education is the key.

    Was watching a video of Thomas Sowell recently where he made the point that anywhere in the world where black communities, usually led by religious leaders, embraced education and the nuclear family as the norm, there was virtually no difference in their ability to find work or educational achievements than there are with whites and other races, and they were much less likely to suffer racism, or be bothered by it.

    Basically his point was that having a family unit, education and a good community spirit in place and you'll have a strong, prosperous and peaceful society, regardless of the skin colour of its inhabitants.

    I'd be of the opinion that giving free education to immigrants would probably be far better for us as a society in the long run. And if they don't avail of it, then that's on them as will be the consequences.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,082 ✭✭✭Smee_Again


    biko wrote: »
    At least the racist Irish didn't stop them from that.

    Some try though, don't they? Rather than argue and refute the points raised by people like Boni, they instead try to attack their character.

    Not that there was much raised in the linked 21 second clip.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,666 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    "We need to have a conversation around racism in Ireland" you know that's a bit of a red flag.

    How about a conversation about educational achievement especially if talking about second generation. This week it was "Africa day" and the tagline was they are our doctors our nurses our carers, they seems to be a magical Schrodinger like group of people.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,253 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    randd1 wrote: »
    I'd be of the opinion that giving free education to immigrants would probably be far better for us as a society in the long run. And if they don't avail of it, then that's on them as will be the consequences.

    Wouldn't that be largely wasted though, without the family backing?


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,170 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Maybe Boni has to ask himself the question as to why more people in the black community are not as driven as he is to embrace education.
    Or why those in the East Asian community, who are hardly immune to racism and prejudice do better on average than those in the African community and even better on average to the native population. Or why Indian communities do better than average than Pakistani communities when they're the same "race". Or why these trends are repeated in every single multicultural nation out there. If it's racism and that is a lot of it it seems quite the intractable problem over generations.
    biko wrote: »
    There seems to be a lot of people trying to make room for themselves using the racism angle lately.
    Bingo. Now this is in play in other multicultural nations out there, the NGO's the "Race specialists" etc and the media that encourage them, but because Ireland's shift into a multicultural nation was both so rapid and with higher percentages than many, it's more obvious to see its development as an industry here.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,412 ✭✭✭Jequ0n


    Why does this only apply to black people? Why not Asian etc as well? Are black people the only ones being discriminated against?


  • Registered Users Posts: 997 ✭✭✭Mike Murdock


    biko wrote: »
    There seems to be a lot of people trying to make room for themselves using the racism angle lately.
    These people seem to do very well for themselves, have great jobs and be highly educated.
    At least the racist Irish didn't stop them from that.

    I'll try and find the name of the guy, but there was another black activist recently talking about systemic racism in Ireland and how it was widespread.

    Guy went from working in Supermacs to studying for a PhD in Law here.

    Surely that is the absolute antithesis of systemic racism?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    I've met plenty of new Irish who've done very well for themselves and as they say are good people. Had a conversation with someone recently, who has spent a lot of time abroad. At a business seminar a few of those new to the parish were surprised there was not more of a negative attitude towards them.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,009 ✭✭✭✭Kintarō Hattori


    Racisim exists everywhere, but to what degree is a different matter. While I know it exists here I would suspect it's far less of an issue than it is in other countries. It will of course exist at all levels of society but I imagine here it's the dregs of our society who are the most vocal.

    I and most of the people I know and associate with don't have an issue with a person's skin colour or religious beliefs. The only issue I'd have with you is if you're a bit of a dick.

    The likes of Ebun Joseph strike me as trying to stoke tension and create a bigger problem where perhaps there isn't so much of an issue.


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    hawley wrote: »
    -racism-in-ireland/[/url]

    We need to have a conversation around racism in Ireland.

    I'd argue that we need to have less.

    Constant race agitation is causing a larger divide and lessening the impact of ACTUAL racist incidents.

    If anything bad happens to a person of colour it seems some lunatic will claim it to be a racial incident. (Example: George Floyd)

    More conversations need to be honest and accept that people, now more than ever, are responsible for their own actions and outcomes in the vast majority of cases.

    Diluting the importance of recognising race related incidents is harming and driving a wedge between people who want to combat actual racism, and people who want to be seen to want to combat racism.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Jequ0n wrote: »
    Why does this only apply to black people? Why not Asian etc as well? Are black people the only ones being discriminated against?
    Activism, in general, tends to suffer from perception bias and embraces that hierarchy of suffering where others are only minimally affected by it.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,170 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Racisim exists everywhere, but to what degree is a different matter. While I know it exists here I would suspect it's far less of an issue than it is in other countries. It will of course exist at all levels of society but I imagine here it's the dregs of our society who are the most vocal.
    I would say it's lesser here(if it is) because our history of being multicultural is a very short one, about twenty years. Certainly as far as groups from outside Europe. We're still in the honeymoon period to some degree.
    The likes of Ebun Joseph strike me as trying to stoke tension and create a bigger problem where perhaps there isn't so much of an issue.
    It's quite literally her job.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 997 ✭✭✭Mike Murdock


    Smee_Again wrote: »
    Some try though, don't they? Rather than argue and refute the points raised by people like Boni, they instead try to attack their character.

    Not that there was much raised in the linked 21 second clip.

    Who is attacking his character?

    Boni is a role model of what the young black boys and girls can achieve in Ireland with hard work, dedication, resilience, and, crucially, through embracing tertiary education.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,082 ✭✭✭Smee_Again


    Who is attacking his character?

    Boni is a role model of what the young black boys and girls can achieve in Ireland with hard work, dedication, resilience, and, crucially, through embracing tertiary education.

    I didn't say anyone was in this instance, just that it happens in a general sense. Biko's comment wasn't specifically directed towards Boni so neither was mine.

    But, there's a huge flaw in your argument about embracing education because it puts the onus on the victims of racism to come up with the solution. If Boni, who to be honest I've never heard of so just using him as an example, with his education is experiencing racism then what else can he do?


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    Smee_Again wrote: »
    I didn't say anyone was in this instance, just that it happens in a general sense. Biko's comment wasn't specifically directed towards Boni so neither was mine.

    But, there's a huge flaw in your argument about embracing education because it puts the onus on the victims of racism to come up with the solution. If Boni, who to be honest I've never heard of so just using him as an example, with his education is experiencing racism then what else can he do?

    Do you believe Ireland is a racist country in general? Do you think levels of racism exceed most other countries? Do you believe you can completely eradicate racism? Do you think positive discrimination is racist?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,666 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    Smee_Again wrote: »

    But, there's a huge flaw in your argument about embracing education because it puts the onus on the victims of racism to come up with the solution.

    Seeing one's life through the frame of being a victim is loser think.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,719 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    hawley wrote: »
    People coming here as asylum seekers need to be supported in education with regard to language skills and suitable working skills. A lot of Irish people don't want to discuss this issue, but it has been shown that there is the problem with racism is worsening here.

    The vast majority of asylum-seekers are bogus, this is well known.

    Their claims should be processed quickly, within a week, and then they should be deported.

    Genuine refugees are welcome, and we have two programmes to accept refugees.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    language is very powerful in this area , notice how those in DP are often referred to as " migrants " when they are clearly not or at least should not be

    migrants apply for visas before they travel to a country , those in DP are effectively skipping past migrants yet the media portray them as valuable assets to this country , perhaps some are but they are as i say robbing the place of those who legally followed the migrant path


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Smee_Again wrote: »
    I didn't say anyone was in this instance, just that it happens in a general sense. Biko's comment wasn't specifically directed towards Boni so neither was mine.

    But, there's a huge flaw in your argument about embracing education because it puts the onus on the victims of racism to come up with the solution. If Boni, who to be honest I've never heard of so just using him as an example, with his education is experiencing racism then what else can he do?
    Education is a solution to a lot of things, especially opportunities for your life.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭Mad_maxx


    Geuze wrote: »
    The vast majority of asylum-seekers are bogus, this is well known.

    Their claims should be processed quickly, within a week, and then they should be deported.

    Genuine refugees are welcome, and we have two programmes to accept refugees.

    that they are bogus is probably why the media have taken to describing them as " migrants " of late , the term " asylum seeker " has negative connotations to most people now due to the bogus status of most of them so they changed their status to that of migrant


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,082 ✭✭✭Smee_Again


    Do you believe Ireland is a racist country in general?
    No. Doesn't really make much difference to victims of racism in Ireland though.
    Do you think levels of racism exceed most other countries?
    No, doesn't mean the levels can't be reduced.
    Do you believe you can completely eradicate racism?
    No, doesn't mean we shouldn't try.
    Do you think positive discrimination is racist?
    Yeah, probably. I'd tend to judge instances on their own merits though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,082 ✭✭✭Smee_Again


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Education is a solution to a lot of things, especially opportunities for your life.

    Won't make others any less racist though. It might remove you from the firing line so to speak, but the racist is still a racist.


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    Smee_Again wrote: »
    No. Doesn't really make much difference to victims of racism in Ireland though.

    No, doesn't mean the levels can't be reduced.

    No, doesn't mean we shouldn't try.

    Yeah, probably. I'd tend to judge instances on their own merits though.

    Thanks for that.

    Victims of racism are becoming more common, but I think that is because if everything is racist, everyone is a victim.

    I agree, we should always try to reduce racism, the answer isn't constantly bleating on about racism where it's not applicable.

    I think eradication of racism is absolutely impossible.

    Positive discrimination and quotas are undoubtedly actual discrimination and when it comes to racial quotas, absolutely racist.

    Judging people differently and having lower expectations of them because of the colour of their skin is the textbook definition of racism


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,707 ✭✭✭Bobblehats


    Smee_Again wrote: »
    Won't make others any less racist though. It might remove you from the firing line so to speak, but the racist is still a racist.

    But was the racist always a racist? Part of the racism industry is creating them where they didn’t previously exist, and that’s something that needs looking into too.
    Smee_Again wrote: »
    If Boni, with his education is experiencing racism then what else can he do?

    Good question. Go home and take a load off?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Smee_Again wrote: »
    Won't make others any less racist though. It might remove you from the firing line so to speak, but the racist is still a racist.
    And that's where education comes in.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Must the far right invasion of Ireland recently that's causing all of this ,,,,,,


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,082 ✭✭✭Smee_Again


    Thanks for that.

    Victims of racism are becoming more common, but I think that is because if everything is racist, everyone is a victim.

    I agree, we should always try to reduce racism, the answer isn't constantly bleating on about racism where it's not applicable.

    I think eradication of racism is absolutely impossible.

    Positive discrimination and quotas are undoubtedly actual discrimination and when it comes to racial quotas, absolutely racist.

    Judging people differently and having lower expectations of them because of the colour of their skin is the textbook definition of racism

    If someone thinks everything is racist then, you know what, that person is probably a racist.

    What you're seeing is victims being more confident in coming forward and sharing their experiences of racism so it just appears that everything is racist but really, its not. Unless you're a racist of course.


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    Smee_Again wrote: »
    If someone thinks everything is racist then, you know what, that person is probably a racist.

    What you're seeing is victims being more confident in coming forward and sharing their experiences of racism so it just appears that everything is racist but really, its not. Unless you're a racist of course.

    If a person thinks their that a certain race is more superior because of their race, then they are racist.

    If a person treats people differently only because of their skin colour, they are a racist.

    If a person expects preferential treatment because of their race, then they are a racist.

    George Floyd was treated as a race issue. There was NOTHING that suggested it was.


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    Gatling wrote: »
    Must the far right invasion of Ireland recently that's causing all of this ,,,,,,

    Definitely.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,440 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    I'll try and find the name of the guy, but there was another black activist recently talking about systemic racism in Ireland and how it was widespread.

    Guy went from working in Supermacs to studying for a PhD in Law here.

    Surely that is the absolute antithesis of systemic racism?

    My granny smoked 80 cigarettes a day and never got lung cancer, so surely that proves that smoking doesn't cause lung cancer?

    Anyway, how could there be racism against black people in the workplace when we don't have any black people in the workplace?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,617 ✭✭✭archfi


    The central tenet of 'anti-racism' via critical race theory is if you don't see racism even when patently an incident/situation is not racist, then you are racist via your bias and privilege or to put it another way, 'you are not looking hard enough' thus the industry is neverending and will never provide 'solutions', which is not the purpose of it at all.
    On the OP's call for more disussion, I don't know if he or she wants an honest conversation or a one-way lecture because all I see and hear in our media and from our government and politicians is dishonesty and most definitely promotion of an ideological theory with zero room available for an alternative view and if there is the odd sop thrown to look like there is honesty, well it is invariably someone with extreme, obnoxious views which do not have widespread acceptance.
    All critical theories - social justice, race, gender, queer - is run on the same lines.

    The issue is never the issue; the issue is always the revolution.

    The Entryism process: 1) Demand access; 2) Demand accommodation; 3) Demand a seat at the table; 4) Demand to run the table; 5) Demand to run the institution; 6) Run the institution to produce more activists and policy until they run it into the ground.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,399 ✭✭✭✭ThunbergsAreGo


    Well if Boni Odoemene said it im all in...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    How about we address racism by sparing any more black people the ignominy of living our racist country?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,225 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    randd1 wrote: »
    I'd be of the opinion that giving free education to immigrants would probably be far better for us as a society in the long run. And if they don't avail of it, then that's on them as will be the consequences.

    Umm, don't we already do this?


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    Anyway, how could there be racism against black people in the workplace when we don't have any black people in the workplace?

    What?


  • Registered Users Posts: 283 ✭✭anplaya27


    Society takes time to change. It may never change fully as its indoctrinated over centuries. Ireland has a history of treating minorities or anyone who is deemed as different appallingly.

    I would argue Deaf Irish Sign Language users have faced more marginalisation, exclusion, discrimination in this country than the black community has. I mean it's not so long ago our language was banned- we were segregated- we were not allowed to own property or land- had to get special permission to marry- the abuses- the list goes on. Hell we weren't even formally allowed an education in our own language until 2017.

    Theres plenty of times I was made feel like a second class citizen because I cant hear.

    Perhaps now with language recognition ( ISL is now an official language of Ireland) things will get better. Time will tell. We persevere anyway.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    Racism has been monetized.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,707 ✭✭✭Bobblehats


    anplaya27 wrote: »
    Society takes time to change. It may never change fully as its indoctrinated over centuries. Ireland has a history of treating minorities or anyone who is deemed as different appallingly.

    I would argue Deaf Irish Sign Language users have faced more marginalisation, exclusion, discrimination in this country than the black community has. I mean it's not so long ago our language was banned- we were segregated- we were not allowed to own property or land- had to get special permission to marry- the abuses- the list goes on. Hell we weren't even formally allowed an education in our own language until 2017.

    Theres plenty of times I was made feel like a second class citizen because I cant hear.

    Perhaps now with language recognition ( ISL is now an official language of Ireland) things will get better. Time will tell. We persevere anyway.

    I think if you realised just how vocal these people are in apparent discrimination you may change your tune. People are reluctant to allow this “minority” to gain too much of a foothold here, that’s just how it is


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    anplaya27 wrote: »
    Society takes time to change. It may never change fully as its indoctrinated over centuries. Ireland has a history of treating minorities or anyone who is deemed as different appallingly.

    I would argue Deaf Irish Sign Language users have faced more marginalisation, exclusion, discrimination in this country than the black community has. I mean it's not so long ago our language was banned- we were segregated- we were not allowed to own property or land- had to get special permission to marry- the abuses- the list goes on. Hell we weren't even formally allowed an education in our own language until 2017.

    Theres plenty of times I was made feel like a second class citizen because I cant hear.

    Perhaps now with language recognition ( ISL is now an official language of Ireland) things will get better. Time will tell. We persevere anyway.

    But what about the deaf people with no hands?! How dare you marginalise them.

    (Joking btw)


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    The problem is that if you go looking for racism, you'll find a while host of examples from your own life that could be interpreted as being racist. When, in fact, those examples may be there for any number of other reasons, from the manner of your behavior, your decisions, etc. or simply that the other person is a dick.

    For Black people, the idea of racism is part of their overall culture. The expectation that racism is there all the time... and so confirmation bias exists strongly for them. For White people in a western nation, racism is unlikely to be a consideration, so we expect to find other reasons for what happens to us. For myself, from living in Asia, I can daily find examples of racism if I want to find it. Perception is key.

    Now, that's not to say that actual racism doesn't occur. It does.. it's a part of human behavior. Tribalism. Group think, and the perspective relating to outsiders. But it's not something exclusive to white people, and there's a tendency to ignore the racist beliefs of other racial groups, as if they're suddenly immune to displaying such motivations or attitudes.

    Racism is always going to be around. The point is to minimize the effects of it. We have a host of laws, and social rules to minimize the impact of individual racism. We have had decades of social conditioning to encourage us to avoid applying racist attitudes to others. It's not perfect, but nothing ever is. The interesting thing though, is how rare it is. Look outside of Europe, and there's little consideration about racism. Little pressure on people not to enact or display it. Live in Africa, Asia, or whatever, and as a white person, you will experience being on the receiving end of racism... and there's little to no expectation for it to stop, or change. It's only in western nations that there's some kind of expectation that it'll be removed entirely from our society.

    And how will it be removed? Education? We already have that. Laws? We already have them. I hear a lot about stopping racism, but extremely little on the details of how to stop it. Also little consideration that migrants coming from abroad, will be bringing their own brand of racism.. and no expectation that they will have to adapt.

    Just to add... I have found that many black people push their race into every situation. Different/extreme behaviors, attitudes, appearance, etc.. all designed to attract attention (and be obviously different from others), but it's an attention that is strongly connected with the idea of being "black", and should someone react in an unfavorable manner, the accusation of racism is rolled out. If you go looking for reactions from others... don't be shocked when you get a variety of negative ones. The problem being that there's a design in place to link it to race.. as opposed to the individuals choices/behaviors.


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    anplaya27 wrote: »
    If you knew anything about our language- very little involves the hands.

    Apologies. It was a glib remark.

    I know nothing about the language. It's something I am keen to look into due to a child of a close relative being recently born with a hearing impairment.

    It was a throwaway remark with no offense intended.

    Apologies if any was taken.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,614 ✭✭✭WrenBoy


    anplaya27 wrote: »
    If you knew anything about our language- very little involves the hands. It's a 3d spectrum- torso, shoulders, hands, face, eyes, facial features, lip patterns. Also notice how I use a capital D for deaf- not small d.

    Thats interesting I had always thought that sign language was all hands and mouth movements , Am i right to say sign language differs from language to language as in deaf people in Ireland would use English sign language and a Spanish deaf person would use Spanish sign language ?


  • Registered Users Posts: 283 ✭✭anplaya27


    Apologies. It was a glib remark.

    I know nothing about the language. It's something I am keen to look into due to a child of a close relative being recently born with a hearing impairment.

    It was a throwaway remark with no offense intended.

    Apologies if any was taken.

    Also we dont use the term impairment. Just Deaf- as in culture, languages, identity, traditions and so on. Impairment is a label. For us being deaf is as normal to a person who can hear being hearing.


  • Registered Users Posts: 283 ✭✭anplaya27


    WrenBoy wrote: »
    Thats interesting I had always thought that sign language was all hands and mouth movements , Am i right to say sign language differs from language to language as in deaf people in Ireland would use English sign language and a Spanish deaf person would use Spanish sign language ?

    The languages have nothing in common with spoken languages. They evolved in Deaf communities where people cant hear. It's called Irish sign language as it's the native language of the Deaf community here. All native sign languages are different just like spoken ones. Regional variations, accents etc too.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,614 ✭✭✭WrenBoy


    anplaya27 wrote: »
    The languages have nothing in common with spoken languages. They evolved in Deaf communities where people cant hear. It's called Irish sign language as it's the native language of the Deaf community here. All native sign languages are different just like spoken ones. Regional variations, accents etc too.

    cool, thanks.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 965 ✭✭✭CucaFace


    hawley wrote: »
    Boni Odoemene, co-founder of Black and Irish, says while the demonstrations highlighted the issue of racism in Ireland, he believes there is still a long way to go.

    "There has been somewhat change in the country, in regards to mainstream discourse, and highlighting the issues that are faced by many black and mixed race people in Ireland," he said.

    "One year one, there is still a lot of work to be done.

    "Overall there has been a lot more awareness around the issues around race and racism in Ireland, but there is still a lot of work to be done as we move forward as a country."

    https://www.q102.ie/news/q102-news/black-and-irish-says-more-work-needed-to-address-racism-in-ireland/

    We need to have a conversation around racism in Ireland. It was highlighted earlier in the week on the Claire Byrne. The problem doesn't seem to be getting any better. There is a massive problem with unemployment in the black community. People coming here as asylum seekers need to be supported in education with regard to language skills and suitable working skills. A lot of Irish people don't want to discuss this issue, but it has been shown that there is the problem with racism is worsening here.


    Its amazing how many black Brazilians with little to no English can find work here with very little trouble (as they receive no Government handouts as they are not entitled due to their student visa's) but so many Africans who do get free money and housing seem to struggle to find work.... clearly this is because of their colour and Irish being horrible racists and nothing to do with their attitude towards actually getting a job.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,220 ✭✭✭✭biko


    Whenever I hear these calls that Ireland is so racist I think of the Mayor of Portlaoise.

    Even 15 years ago a Nigerian refugee, Rotimi Adebari, became mayor of a town of 20 thousand people, almost all white.
    No-one cared then or now.

    That's how racist Ireland is.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,220 ✭✭✭✭biko


    If you find cases of racism then challenge them there and then.
    If you say it's systemic then you say it's everywhere, when it demonstrably isn't.

    Why do these leftists get to generalise when if the rest of use do it's a bad thing?


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