Are we there yet? Your second Travel Megathread (threadbans in OP}

23-05-2021 05:09PM

Valhallapt wrote: »

don’t stop them going.

Valhallapt wrote: »

not allowing the reuniting of families as its non essential.

Your continued twisting of the situation does your arguement no good.

Not a single person has been denied travel. Not a single person has been stopped going and not a single person has been "not allowed" reunite with family.

We can all do that, we could take a country in the EU and twist their situation to be more grim and restrictive than it currently is but when you need to do that, you have lost the arguement.

23-05-2021 05:12PM

gozunda wrote: »

Well as nice as anecdotal stories are. The comment was based on reports from those who took out insurance for travel last year, got stuck and ended up with no cover.

But yes - if your travel is essential - then there is no question you are covered. Non essential especially where such travel is not state sanctioned - then you run the risk of not being covered.

But hey whatever.

Valid travel insurance is easily purchssed now outside the state which will cover you for all and sundry regardless of dfa travel advice

Valhallapt · 23-05-2021 05:12PM

bubblypop wrote: »

Nope. Anyone can go to the airport. The fine is for travelling to the airport for the purpose of leaving the state for non essential travel.

But you just claimed the fine wasn’t for going to the airport?? Seeing as this thread is all about travel, it’s pretty pedantic to call me a liar for not pointing out the bloody obvious.

23-05-2021 05:13PM

titan18 wrote: »

Yes, if the law is easily circumvented to the point of it being unenforceable, it's about as useful as writing the law on toilet paper.

Well first off it is enforceable as much as any other law on the books. Its exactly as bypassable as any other law on the books so again, we should legalise underage sex because people can freely travel to avail of it? Drugs as well? What about Smuggling in full? Its estimated that only 10% of smuggled items are caught so we should just stop trying?

The simple reality is that ALL laws are only enforceable within the state. Thats the way it is and people aren being fined, people are being caught not quarantining, not having valid tests and are being brough to the MHQ.

23-05-2021 05:14PM

Valhallapt wrote: »

But you just claimed the fine wasn’t for going to the airport?? Seeing as this thread is all about travel, it’s pretty pedantic to call me a liar for not pointing out the bloody obvious.

and its not for going to the airport.

Theres no fine for driving. There is however for drink driving. See the difference?

Valhallapt · 23-05-2021 05:15PM

Valhallapt wrote: »

Was chatting to a neighbour, his young lad is off to albufiera with 7 of his mates Friday morning. I asked “what about the fines”, he said those were all gone... I didn’t correct, will report back how he gets on.

Update on this, the lads got the bus and didn’t see any gardai inside the airport

gozunda · 23-05-2021 05:16PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

So you’re not a farmer then? I love the way you’re trying to deflect. You came out with a big condescending arrogant spiel on the dangers of travelling to another poster who is concerned about his job at the airport. You then ranted about “just throwing the doors open” the poster never suggested that. I don’t need a crystal ball to tell me that. Will ya stop posting shyte.

Micky is this discussion about me and you're bizarre attacks on posters you don't agree with?

I've had a good (and polite) discussion on this with other posters. And youre still throwing "shyte"? Why is that Micky?

Btw I've no intention of engaging into same puerile bs

I've taken this lad from you again :rolleyes:

Bye.

23-05-2021 05:24PM

Valhallapt wrote: »

But you just claimed the fine wasn’t for going to the airport?? Seeing as this thread is all about travel, it’s pretty pedantic to call me a liar for not pointing out the bloody obvious.

No, you are making things up, and making things appear worse, for some reason only known to yourself.
There is no fine for 'going to the airport'

gozunda · 23-05-2021 05:31PM

Marine Layer wrote: »

Valid travel insurance is easily purchssed now outside the state which will cover you for all and sundry regardless of dfa travel advice

I think the original context was the UK and travel to Amber list countries. But yes dfa travel advisories is relevant for travel to destination countries for Irish travellers.

This is the current advice regarding holiday insurance fom a UK Travel company

Depending on which amber country you are travelling to, you should always check the individual U.K. government advice, as there may be different advice for different parts of that country.

Looking at popular Spain as an example, the Foreign Commonwealth and Development Office (FCDO) currently advises “against all but essential travel to Spain, including the Balearic Islands but excluding the Canary Islands, based on the current assessment of COVID-19 risks.” This means that for Spain, from 17 May when the travel ban ends, the U.K. government advice is that you can travel to the Canary Islands for a holiday, but for the time being, you should not travel to the rest of Spain for a non-essential reason.

As was the case last summer, this government advice is critical when it comes to your travel insurance. Most regular travel insurance policies will be invalid where you choose to travel to a destination against FCDO advice. Insurance giant AXA, for example, states the following: “A number of our policies no longer cover cancellation or curtailment if the FCDO or another regulatory body advises against travel due to a pandemic.

This means for Spain as an example, an AXA travel insurance policy is unlikely to cover travel to mainland Spain while this amber-related travel advice exists. It would cover travel to the Canary Islands, as no advice against travel exists to the Canary Islands.

If you do want to travel to an amber destination where there is FCDO advises against doing so and still want to be covered with travel insurance, some specialist providers have launched COVID travel insurance for these situations, where traditional travel insurance policies may be invalid. These COVID policies may be more expensive and have different exclusions to traditional policies, so you should carefully read the fine print before selecting a policy to understand what is covered and what is not.

https://thepointsguy.co.uk/guide/travel-insurance-amber-country/

dalyboy · 23-05-2021 05:33PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/amp.rte.ie/amp/1223436/

Quarantine to target variants.

“Minister for Environment, Climate, Communications and Transport Eamon Ryan has said that the mandatory hotel quarantine system will be refined to target Covid-19 variants of real concern.”

“ He said it would be targeted especially to variants that may escape vaccines.”

So does that mean they are scrapping MHQ ? The reason I ask is because none of variants are escaping any of the vaccines.

Valhallapt · 23-05-2021 05:38PM

bubblypop wrote: »

No, you are making things up, and making things appear worse, for some reason only known to yourself.
There is no fine for 'going to the airport'

SI 217

Directly from the statute book:

“Restrictions of movement of applicable persons in relation to travel from place of residence to port or airport”

Seeing as this is a thread about travel, I’m hardly talking about popping in to the McDonald’s there!

I’ve constantly said the problem is with what’s essential, allowing families reunite should be allowed, Ireland has stricter rules than anywhere else in Europe.

23-05-2021 05:40PM

Whenever we do put the cert in place even if it is mid August, does that mean non vaccinated children will not need to home quarantine at all on return to Ireland from Europe?

Ray Donovan · 23-05-2021 05:42PM

naufragos123 wrote: »

Why are you so pessimistic? What are you basing that on?

I’m basing that on all the evidence of the last 15 months with regards all decisions taken in the interests of public health.

We have a Taoiseach who is afraid to make a decision and has been ultra conservative and has hidden behind public health since his appointment.

We have a CMO who is a law onto himself and seems to have a Carte Blanche to make any decision he likes without being questioned about it. He is quite obviously anti travel among other things.

I won’t get started on our Minister for Health.

Every single decision made by these people over the last year has been to the detriment of people’s hopes. This won’t suddenly end with a lifting of the travel ban in a couple of weeks. Nothing they have done up to now points to anything other than a continuation of the “abundance of caution” when it comes to travel.

Fact of the matter is on June 21st Coronavirus will be over in England with all restrictions lifted, but in Ireland it will still be a penal offence to leave the country for leisure activities. Go figure.

23-05-2021 05:43PM

Valhallapt wrote: »

SI 217

Directly from the statute book:

“Restrictions of movement of applicable persons in relation to travel from place of residence to port or airport”

Seeing as this is a thread about travel, I’m hardly talking about popping in to the McDonald’s there!

I’ve constantly said the problem is with what’s essential, allowing families reunite should be allowed, Ireland has stricter rules than anywhere else in Europe.

Ireland does not have stricter rules then other EU countries. They have all had strict rules and regulations at different stages over the last 14 months.
Lots of countries do not allow non essential travellers to enter.
Families can unite, why do you think they cannot?

Btw, there is more to a law then the title, you have to actually read the law you know....

gozunda · 23-05-2021 05:44PM

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

Your continued twisting of the situation does your arguement no good.

Not a single person has been denied travel. Not a single person has been stopped going and not a single person has been "not allowed" reunite with family.

We can all do that, we could take a country in the EU and twist their situation to be more grim and restrictive than it currently is but when you need to do that, you have lost the arguement.

Unfortunately that seems to be a fairly common theme ...

Happydays2020 · 23-05-2021 05:46PM

I am expecting that I will fully vaccinated by 1st week July at the latest.

I decide mid July to go to Greece for 4 weeks. Greece may or may not require a PCR (ok for me). But Ireland will not have the digital Covid certificate until mid August (if at all).

As Ireland has vaccinated me, I presume no quarantine requirement on return to Ireland. Or indeed a PCR test? I will have evidence via the Covid vaccination portal that I am vaccinated.

Blut2 · 23-05-2021 05:47PM

gozunda wrote: »

Well as nice as anecdotal stories are. The comment was based on travel company details and reports from those who took out insurance for travel last year, got stuck and ended up with no cover.

But yes - if your travel is essential - then there is no question you are covered. Non essential especially where such travel is not state sanctioned - then you run the risk of not being covered.

But hey whatever.

Again, do you have any first hand experience of traveling in the last year and not being covered by travel insurance? Because it sounds like you're basing your opinion on vague newspaper articles, and trying to pass that off as scaremongered "facts". I'm telling you my personal, first hand experience with this.

There is no travel insurance company in Ireland whos going to ask you to prove your travel was essential when the list of acceptable essential travel reasons includes so many vague reasons such as "To work or travel related to your business" and "To care for a family member or for other vital family reasons". The accepted reasons are completely subjective and unverifiable.

I'd recommend anyone considering travel to just ring their travel insurance provider if they're at all worried about not being covered.

Micky 32 · 23-05-2021 05:50PM

gozunda wrote: »

Micky is this discussion about me and you're bizarre attacks on posters you don't agree with?

I've had a good (and polite) discussion on this with other posters. And youre still throwing "shyte"? Why is that Micky?

Btw I've no intention of engaging into same puerile bs

I've taken this lad from you again :rolleyes:

Bye.

There were no attacks on any posters from me. I attacked the condescending waffling post you made toward said poster. Simple as that. Seeya

fm · 23-05-2021 05:51PM

Happydays2020 wrote: »

I am expecting that I will fully vaccinated by 1st week July at the latest.

I decide mid July to go to Greece for 4 weeks. Greece may or may not require a PCR (ok for me). But Ireland will not have the digital Covid certificate until mid August (if at all).

As Ireland has vaccinated me, I presume no quarantine requirement on return to Ireland. Or indeed a PCR test? I will have evidence via the Covid vaccination portal that I am vaccinated.

The current rules will apply won't they? so home quarantine and pcr coming home

gozunda · 23-05-2021 05:52PM

Blut2 wrote: »

Again, do you have any first hand experience of traveling in the last year and not being covered by travel insurance? Because it sounds like you're basing your opinion on vague newspaper articles, and trying to pass that off as scaremongered "facts". I'm telling you my personal, first hand experience with this.

There is no travel insurance company in Ireland whos going to ask you to prove your travel was essential when the list of acceptable essential travel reasons includes so many vague reasons such as "To work or travel related to your business" and "To care for a family member or for other vital family reasons". Its completely unverifiable.

I'd recommend anyone considering travel to just ring their travel insurance provider if they're at all worried about not being covered.

Nope. Simply as detailed. This is not an "newspaper article". Re the UK / Covid and insurance to Amber list countries. Article from reputable Travel company. You can check the AXA website to verify the detail further.

Depending on which amber country you are travelling to, you should always check the individual U.K. government advice, as there may be different advice for different parts of that country.

Looking at popular Spain as an example, the Foreign Commonwealth and Development Office (FCDO) currently advises “against all but essential travel to Spain, including the Balearic Islands but excluding the Canary Islands, based on the current assessment of COVID-19 risks.” This means that for Spain, from 17 May when the travel ban ends, the U.K. government advice is that you can travel to the Canary Islands for a holiday, but for the time being, you should not travel to the rest of Spain for a non-essential reason.

As was the case last summer, this government advice is critical when it comes to your travel insurance. Most regular travel insurance policies will be invalid where you choose to travel to a destination against FCDO advice. Insurance giant AXA, for example, states the following: “A number of our policies no longer cover cancellation or curtailment if the FCDO or another regulatory body advises against travel due to a pandemic.”

This means for Spain as an example, an AXA travel insurance policy is unlikely to cover travel to mainland Spain while this amber-related travel advice exists. It would cover travel to the Canary Islands, as no advice against travel exists to the Canary Islands.

If you do want to travel to an amber destination where there is FCDO advises against doing so and still want to be covered with travel insurance, some specialist providers have launched COVID travel insurance for these situations, where traditional travel insurance policies may be invalid. These COVID policies may be more expensive and have different exclusions to traditional policies, so you should carefully read the fine print before selecting a policy to understand what is covered and what is not.

https://thepointsguy.co.uk/guide/travel-insurance-amber-country/

Ray Donovan · 23-05-2021 05:52PM

Has anyone got any insider knowledge on the outdoor mask situation for the Canaries come July? Still be in place or could it be gone?

Happydays2020 · 23-05-2021 05:53PM

fm wrote: »

The current rules will apply won't they? so home quarantine and pcr coming home

Yes but Stephen Donnelly on Friday said vaccinated people do not need to quarantine. Hopefully we will find out next Friday as otherwise it is a bit nuts to lock up the fully vaccinated.

Valhallapt · 23-05-2021 05:55PM

bubblypop wrote: »

Ireland does not have stricter rules then other EU countries. They have all had strict rules and regulations at different stages over the last 14 months.
Lots of countries do not allow non essential travellers to enter.
Families can unite, why do you think they cannot?

Btw, there is more to a law then the title, you have to actually read the law you know....

No problem, your apology is accepted.

fm · 23-05-2021 05:58PM

Ray Donovan wrote: »

Has anyone got any insider knowledge on the outdoor mask situation for the Canaries come July? Still be in place or could it be gone?

The health minister hinted last week it could be dropped soon, I would be surprised if it was still in place by then.

23-05-2021 05:58PM

Happydays2020 wrote: »

I am expecting that I will fully vaccinated by 1st week July at the latest.

I decide mid July to go to Greece for 4 weeks. Greece may or may not require a PCR (ok for me). But Ireland will not have the digital Covid certificate until mid August (if at all).

As Ireland has vaccinated me, I presume no quarantine requirement on return to Ireland. Or indeed a PCR test? I will have evidence via the Covid vaccination portal that I am vaccinated.

I think you are presuming wrong. At least at the moment.

fm · 23-05-2021 05:59PM

Happydays2020 wrote: »

Yes but Stephen Donnelly on Friday said vaccinated people do not need to quarantine. Hopefully we will find out next Friday as otherwise it is a bit nuts to lock up the fully vaccinated.

Didn't hear that, hopefully will happen and drop the test also

Blut2 · 23-05-2021 06:00PM

gozunda wrote: »

Nope. Simply as detailed. This is not an "newspaper article". Re the UK and insurance to Amber list countries.

https://thepointsguy.co.uk/guide/travel-insurance-amber-country/

So just to be clear you:

- haven't traveled personally,
- haven't dealt with an Irish travel insurance company,
- are quoting a random website article thats not even from a respectable newspaper, about an entirely different country with a different legal system to ours, that doesn't even say "all travel insurance is confirmed invalid" for that jurisdiction?

Why are you posting so authoritatively, and repeatedly, about something you clearly have no first hand experience, or actual knowledge, of?

stephenjmcd · 23-05-2021 06:08PM

Happydays2020 wrote: »

Yes but Stephen Donnelly on Friday said vaccinated people do not need to quarantine. Hopefully we will find out next Friday as otherwise it is a bit nuts to lock up the fully vaccinated.

Home quarantine currently applies for those who are fully vax.

What's in place now will more than likely change in the coming weeks

23-05-2021 06:16PM

Valhallapt wrote: »

No problem, your apology is accepted.

You love posting untruths on here. Not sure what your issue is but I have no reason to apologize.

gozunda · 23-05-2021 06:17PM

Blut2 wrote: »

So just to be clear you:- haven't traveled personally,
- haven't dealt with an Irish travel insurance company,
- are quoting a random website article thats not even from a respectable newspaper, about an entirely different country with a different legal system to ours, that doesn't even say "all travel insurance is confirmed invalid" for that jurisdiction?Why are you posting so authoritatively, and repeatedly, about something you clearly have no first hand experience, or actual knowledge, of?

Lol. Nope. There's no reference to me because this is a discussion. And not an anecdotal story swap shop.

But what the fuq is it with the personalations and constant insistence that anecdotes outweigh travel advice?

But yes the context of the discussion was travel to the (UKs) Amber list countries.

And the quote above is from a UK travel company and quotes as an example AXAs covid related restrictions for travel.

But what they know eh?

Better rely on random strangers on the Internet giving advice yes?

This is current advice Information here

Is COVID-19 covered by my travel insurance?

Whether you can make a claim against your travel insurance depends on the terms and conditions of your travel insurance and when you bought it.

If you took out a policy with ‘disruption cover’ (also known as ‘catastrophe’ cover) before the Government travel advice first came into effect in March 2020, you should be able to claim any costs not refunded by your travel provider from your insurer. Disruption cover is usually an ‘optional extra’ to your insurance policy and is not included as standard in most travel policies.

Since March 2020, many insurers have changed aspects of their travel insurance policies, for example specifically excluding claims relating to COVID-19

https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/consumer/travel/travel_plans_and_covid19.html

But sure what the feq would they know eh?

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