Are we there yet? Your second Travel Megathread (threadbans in OP}

Micky 32 · 23-05-2021 02:38PM

gozunda wrote: »

Yeah 'cos that was what was said. And here none of us know each other circumstances. So less of the smug 'arrogant' personalitions. Thanks.

Borrowed this at its better here :rolleyes:

It’s quite easy to get an idea of peoples ‘circumstances’ by their posting over time.
It might be no harm if you learn some empathy posts towards other posters instead of the ‘condescending arrogant i ( think) know better than everyone else ‘posts. Further more the poster mentioned end of July not opening the doors tomorrow.

Do you mind if i borrow it back? :rolleyes:

colemcgrath55 · 23-05-2021 02:40PM

So wait, USA fully vaccinated people can travel here without mandatory quarantine?

Happydays2020 · 23-05-2021 02:44PM

colemcgrath55 wrote: »

So wait, USA fully vaccinated people can travel here without mandatory quarantine?

Donnelly said that on Friday on the radio.

Micky 32 · 23-05-2021 02:45PM

colemcgrath55 wrote: »

So wait, USA fully vaccinated people can travel here without mandatory quarantine?

I think anyome fully vaccinated don’t have to do mhq. They can do it at home.

Corholio · 23-05-2021 02:47PM

gozunda wrote: »

And yet other countries still have non essential travel restrictions. Its not like we're the only country in the world doing so.

The UK for example still prohibits non essential travel to Amber list countries with heavy fines for those travelling to / from red list countries. And they are miles ahead of us with vaccinations.

I get it about getting the airports working and essential travel is still permitted.But throwing the doors open right this minute ain't going to help keep infection rates down while we get the numbers of people vaccinated up to herd immunity levels.

The 'prohibits' to amber countries is strong advisory, people can travel to countries on that list now if they choose to, with the subsequent quarantine on return. For the record I'm not in favour of 'throwing things open' but I think it's only fair to specify the clear differences.

gozunda · 23-05-2021 02:52PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

It’s quite easy to get an idea of peoples ‘circumstances’ by their posting over time. It might be no harm if you learn some empathy posts towards other posters instead of the ‘condescending arrogant i ( think) know better than everyone else ‘posts. Further more the poster mentioned end of July not opening the doors tomorrow.Do you mind if i borrow it back?:

Ah yet more Crystal ball speculation, misrepresentation and aspersions at posters you don't agree with Micky?

Afaik It's a discussion forum where we are asked to keep discussion out of the sewer. But yeah that kind of thing could described as 'condescending arrogant' or similar.

But no matter. Here's your :rolleyes: back.

Valhallapt · 23-05-2021 02:57PM

Corholio wrote: »

The 'prohibits' to amber countries is strong advisory, people can travel to countries on that list now if they choose to, with the subsequent quarantine on return. For the record I'm not in favour of 'throwing things open' but I think it's only fair to specify the clear differences.

There is some denial on this thread, some seem to think that other countries are locked down like Ireland.

Ireland has the most stringent lockdown in Europe by far.

I decided to rent out my Portugal home on Airbnb this year, I texted the people who rented it out to see if all was ok, they replied, “out getting drunk”, “everything open” . Same when I speak to friends in Poland, Slovakia, Germany and Norway. Yes some restrictions are in place, but they are sensible, proportionate and are common sense.

gozunda · 23-05-2021 03:08PM

Corholio wrote: »

The 'prohibits' to amber countries is strong advisory, people can travel to countries on that list now if they choose to, with the subsequent quarantine on return. For the record I'm not in favour of 'throwing things open' but I think it's only fair to specify the clear differences.

To be fair - I think there is a lot of misinformation about the UK Amber list which have been detailed as countries "that you shouldn't go to unless you have an absolutely compelling reason" ( Health Secretary, Matt Hancock)

To reiterate that.

Boris Johnson on Amber list countries

I think it's very important for people to grasp what an amber list country is: it is not somewhere where you should be going on holiday, let me be very clear about that,"

UK Transport secretary Grant Shapps on
Amber list countries

"you should not be travelling to these places right now".

Corholio · 23-05-2021 03:14PM

gozunda wrote: »

To be fair - I think there is a lot of misinformation about the UK Amber list which have been detailed as countries "that you shouldn't go to unless you have an absolutely compelling reason" ( Health Secretary, Matt Hancock)

To reiterate that.

Boris Johnson on Amber list countries

UK Transport secretary Grant Shapps on
Amber list countries

Yes absolutely, I wrote in a previous post about the communication mess the ministers there got themselves in.

"Yesterday environment secretary George Eustice then told broadcasters people could go to amber-listed countries such as Spain, France, Italy and Greece "if they feel the need" to visit family and friends, as long as they observed quarantine rules on their return"

One was saying it's ok to travel there and Boris saying you should not be travelling to these countries. I'm not advocating that people should be going gung ho to these countries, but the point was people can travel to these countries if they want, it is no longer illegal. The language is strongly advisory against but people can travel without fines etc.

gozunda · 23-05-2021 03:27PM

Corholio wrote: »

Yes absolutely, I wrote in a previous post about the communication mess the ministers there got themselves in.

"Yesterday environment secretary George Eustice then told broadcasters people could go to amber-listed countries such as Spain, France, Italy and Greece "if they feel the need" to visit family and friends, as long as they observed quarantine rules on their return"

One was saying it's ok to travel there and Boris saying you should not be travelling to these countries. I'm not advocating that people should be going gung ho to these countries, but the point was people can travel to these countries if they want, it is no longer illegal. The language is strongly advisory against but people can travel without fines etc.

True - but I think the crux of it all for many people in the UK - that it will not be possible to get holiday insurance for amber list destinations (those which the FCDO advises against travelling to). As you said not illegal but the advice overall is do not travel for holidays

Valhallapt · 23-05-2021 03:34PM

gozunda wrote: »

True - but I think the crux of it all for many people in the UK - that it will not be possible to get holiday insurance for amber list destinations (those which the FCDO advises against travelling to). As you said not illegal but the advice overall is do not travel.

I support this position, the government are correct to be discouraging holidays etc, but in Ireland we have gone too far. Giving fines to people for bringing children to see grand parents after the last 18 months we have had is wrong in my eyes. By all means advise them not to go, make them quarantine on return but don’t stop them going.

There will always be people who will go regardless of the guidance, I’m one of them, I’m going on the 28th June, I’ll quarantine on my return if that is still needed by then, but I really object to being the only country in Europe not allowing the reuniting of families as its non essential.

Corholio · 23-05-2021 03:35PM

gozunda wrote: »

True - but I think the crux of it all for many people in the UK - that it will not be possible to get holiday insurance for amber list destinations (those which the FCDO advises against travelling to). As you said not illegal but the advice overall is do not travel for holidays

Yes agreed on the travel insurance, that will certainly stop a lot of people going if it was a regular thing that people, families got for sure.

Blut2 · 23-05-2021 03:42PM

The "travel insurance won't cover you" thing is a bit of a myth. A lot of papers reported on it as "your travel insurance might not cover you" and people decided to take that as fact.

I've traveled multiple times in the last year, and rang my travel insurance provider before doing so the first time and they told me I was covered. My girlfriend, whos with a different travel insurance provider, also rang hers before her first post-corona trip and was told she was covered.

Micky 32 · 23-05-2021 03:49PM

gozunda wrote: »

Ah yet more Crystal ball speculation, misrepresentation and aspersions at posters you don't agree with Micky?

Afaik It's a discussion forum where we are asked to keep discussion out of the sewer. But yeah that kind of thing could described as 'condescending arrogant' or similar.

But no matter. Here's your :rolleyes: back.

I’m not sure why you stomped your feet and gave a big long shyte lecture on the dangers of travel toward the poster who is obviously worried about their job. The poster never said open the doors right up. End of July was mentioned.

Btw aren’t you involved in farming if my memory serves me correctly? I’m sure you’re doing ok during this pandemic nothing to see here. :rolleyes:

Micky 32 · 23-05-2021 04:15PM

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/amp.rte.ie/amp/1223436/

Quarantine to target variants.

Multipass · 23-05-2021 04:21PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/amp.rte.ie/amp/1223436/

Quarantine to target variants.

Hah, living in wilful denial of Belfast

23-05-2021 04:26PM

Multipass wrote: »

Hah, living in wilful denial of Belfast

I really dont understand this notion.

On that basis we should just copy all UK laws and scrap any that dont match up because 'hey, they will just travel anyway'

while we are at it, why dont we just legalise all the warped **** that happens in Thailand and African nagtions because of the underage sex tourists?

You are still committing a crime by going via Belfast and not following the mandated PCR / Quarantine requirements but we dont just abandon laws because some people avoid them

Multipass · 23-05-2021 04:32PM

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

I really dont understand this notion.

On that basis we should just copy all UK laws and scrap any that dont match up because 'hey, they will just travel anyway'

while we are at it, why dont we just legalise all the warped **** that happens in Thailand and African nagtions because of the underage sex tourists?

You are still committing a crime by going via Belfast and not following the mandated PCR / Quarantine requirements but we dont just abandon laws because some people avoid them

What bizarre logic. If something so damaging and costly is obviously not even going to work, let’s put our fingers in our ears and shout ‘nah nah’

gozunda · 23-05-2021 04:34PM

Blut2 wrote: »

The "travel insurance won't cover you" thing is a bit of a myth. A lot of papers reported on it as "your travel insurance might not cover you" and people decided to take that as fact.

I've traveled multiple times in the last year, and rang my travel insurance provider before doing so the first time and they told me I was covered. My girlfriend, whos with a different travel insurance provider, also rang hers before her first post-corona trip and was told she was covered.

A "myth". I somehow doubt that

And to be fair it depends on where you are going and the purpose of travel essential vs essential.

And its not unknown for some insurance companies to sell insurance but will use just about any clause to get out of actually covering incidences such as those being stuck for an extended period in another jurisdiction due to a change of a countries covid travel status as happened last year.

gozunda · 23-05-2021 04:41PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

I’m not sure why you stomped your feet and gave a big long shyte lecture on the dangers of travel toward the poster who is obviously worried about their job. The poster never said open the doors right up. End of July was mentioned. Btw aren’t you involved in farming if my memory serves me correctly? I’m sure you’re doing ok during this pandemic nothing to see here.

Micky - what are you on about?

None of that bears any similarly to anything which was said as part of the discussion I had with another poster. Which you bizarrely decided to "stomp" all over.

So yeah I guess even more mirepresentations and personalisation.

The constant crystal ball gazing on those you disagree with is a bit puerile tbf.

I've taken this off you. :rolleyes: its safer here I think ...

Blut2 · 23-05-2021 04:41PM

gozunda wrote: »

We to be fair it depends on where you are going and the purpose of travel essential vs essential.

And its not unknown for some insurance companies to sell insurance but will use just about any clause to get out of actually covering incidences such as those being stuck for an extended period in another jurisdiction due to a change of a countries covid travel status as happened last year.

Thats just not true at all - my travel insurance provider, and hers, both said we were covered as normal. There was no need for the travel to be essential, or to a particular country, anything else.

Theres no point in spreading rumours if you have no first hand experience of this yourself.

Valhallapt · 23-05-2021 04:44PM

Blut2 wrote: »

Thats just not true at all - my travel insurance provider, and hers, both said we were covered as normal. There was no need for the travel to be essential, or to a particular country, anything else.

Theres no point in spreading rumours if you have no first hand experience of this yourself.

Anyways really no need to have travel insurance within the EU

gozunda · 23-05-2021 04:45PM

Blut2 wrote: »

Thats just not true at all - my travel insurance provider, and hers, both said we were covered as normal. There was no need for the travel to be essential, or to a particular country, anything else.Theres no point in spreading rumours if you have no first hand experience of this yourself.

Well as nice as anecdotal stories are. The comment was based on travel company details and reports from those who took out insurance for travel last year, got stuck and ended up with no cover.

But yes - if your travel is essential - then there is no question you are covered. Non essential especially where such travel is not state sanctioned - then you run the risk of not being covered.

But hey whatever.

Micky 32 · 23-05-2021 04:52PM

gozunda wrote: »

Micky - what are you on about?

None of that bears any similarly to anything which was said as part of the discussion I had with another poster. Which you bizarrely decided to "stomp" all over.

So yeah I guess even more mirepresentations and 'shyte' personalisation.

The constant crystal ball gazing on those you disagree with is a bit puerile tbf.

So you’re not a farmer then?

I love the way you’re trying to deflect. You came out with a big condescending arrogant spiel on the dangers of travelling to another poster who is concerned about his job at the airport. You then ranted about “just throwing the doors open” the poster never suggested that. I don’t need a crystal ball to tell me that. Will ya stop posting shyte. :rolleyes:

23-05-2021 04:58PM

Valhallapt wrote: »

Apples and Oranges, Ireland’s restrictions are disproportionate. No other country is fining people for going to an airport.

More lies from you!
The fine is not for going to The airport.

23-05-2021 04:59PM

Multipass wrote: »

What bizarre logic. If something so damaging and costly is obviously not even going to work, let’s put our fingers in our ears and shout ‘nah nah’

Its not bizaare.

This state has laws, the fact that people can go to another jurisdiction to bypass those laws doesnt mean we should just throw the towel in.

Thats your argument and I pointed out the foolishness of adopting that approach

titan18 · 23-05-2021 05:00PM

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

I really dont understand this notion.

On that basis we should just copy all UK laws and scrap any that dont match up because 'hey, they will just travel anyway'

while we are at it, why dont we just legalise all the warped **** that happens in Thailand and African nagtions because of the underage sex tourists?

You are still committing a crime by going via Belfast and not following the mandated PCR / Quarantine requirements but we dont just abandon laws because some people avoid them

Yes, if the law is easily circumvented to the point of it being unenforceable, it's about as useful as writing the law on toilet paper.

Valhallapt · 23-05-2021 05:00PM

bubblypop wrote: »

More lies from you!
The fine is not for going to The airport.

My understanding is that the SI was to give a FPN for going to a port?

23-05-2021 05:05PM

Valhallapt wrote: »

My understanding is that the SI was to give a FPN for going to a port?

Nope. Anyone can go to the airport. The fine is for travelling to the airport for the purpose of leaving the state for non essential travel.

gozunda · 23-05-2021 05:08PM

Valhallapt wrote: »

There is some denial on this thread, some seem to think that other countries are locked down like Ireland.
Ireland has the most stringent lockdown in Europe by far. I decided to rent out my Portugal home on Airbnb this year, I texted the people who rented it out to see if all was ok, they replied, “out getting drunk”, “everything open” . Same when I speak to friends in Poland, Slovakia, Germany and Norway. Yes some restrictions are in place, but they are sensible, proportionate and are common sense.

I'd agree there certainly some denial for sure.
But as nice as anecdotal stories are they don't tend to stand up to scrutiny.

As for other EU countries and stringency. So some here keep saying. But oddly enough most of those claims don't seem to stand up to scrutiny.

You mentioned countries such as Norway as having "some restrictions are in place, but they are sensible, proportionate and are common sense"

You do know that the Norwegian border remains closed to many non-residents in a bid to halt the further spread of coronavirus variants into Norway?

https://www.lifeinnorway.net/coronavirus-in-norway/

As for other EU countries having restrictions which were "sensible, proportionate and are common sense"? Many would disagree there ...

Germany, the Netherlands, Austria, Bulgaria, Switzerland, Romania, Serbia, Poland, France and Britain all saw demonstrations of varying magnitude and with various local factors coming into play.

Across Europe, protesters railed against the "dictatorship" of pandemic health restrictions and what they see as an attack on fundamental freedoms.

But the demonstrations also featured a strong element of pandemic denial, fuelled by misinformation. "Stop the Corona terror" or "COVID is a hoax" were common slogans on signs.

^ Tbh reminds me a bit of this thread on occasion...

https://www.euronews.com/2021/03/21/covid-19-protests-across-europe-rail-against-pandemic-restrictions-as-infections-soar

Are we there yet? Your second Travel Megathread (threadbans in OP}

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