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Will the Rovers ever Return? Your pub megathread, Part 2 - threadbans in OP

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  • #1142
    dominatinMC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,130 ✭✭✭dominatinMC


    eddie73 wrote: »
    Happy clapping over vaccines is all well and good, but we have yet to see how the public are going to handle covid occurrences in the community, which will happen constantly from now on. When I say occurrences, that would mean 2 or 3 people on a daily basis. This will still make the news. This will still cause mayhem with the public. imagine a town like Athlone where this happens. A few people get covid. Headlines in the papers. People decide to stay at home rather than go to bars. or there are flash lockdowns. No pup for bars. Call me pessimistic, but I see this as a likely scenario.
    Are you serious? Stay living under your covers.peering out from behind the curtins if you like. The majority, and vast majority at that, will not give a ****e. Do people get worked up over the common cold or flu? Most people are already moving on, stay away from the hysteria-fuelled headlines of RTE and The Journal, and you might too.


  • #1143
    saabsaab
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,730 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    dominatinMC wrote: »
    Are you serious? Stay living under your covers.peering out from behind the curtins if you like. The majority, and vast majority at that, will not give a ****e. Do people get worked up over the common cold or flu? Most people are already moving on, stay away from the hysteria-fuelled headlines of RTE and The Journal, and you might too.


    Barring a new nasty variant the vaccines should sort it out.


  • #1144
    PTH2009
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    Taken from Dublins Church Bar and Restaurant Facebook page

    'We are delighted to announce our re opening on the 10th of June.
    Temporary Opening hours :
    Thursday 12-11.30
    Friday 12-11.30
    Saturday 12-11.30
    Sunday 12-10'


  • #1145
    dominatinMC
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    saabsaab wrote: »
    Barring a new nasty variant the vaccines should sort it out.
    We're 15 months into this and we've had the Kent variant, SA variant, Brittany variant, California variant, New York variant, and now Indian variant. I'm sure there are countless others, but thankfully it appears so far that the vaccines work against them. Does anyone even mention the SA variant anymore, now that we have the big, bad Indian one? Whilst it is prudent to monitor them, there has been a lot of hysteria and hyperbole (mostly driven by the media) surrounding these variants, when most of it is completely unjustified.


  • #1146
    saabsaab
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,730 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    dominatinMC wrote: »
    We're 15 months into this and we've had the Kent variant, SA variant, Brittany variant, California variant, New York variant, and now Indian variant. I'm sure there are countless others, but thankfully it appears so far that the vaccines work against them. Does anyone even mention the SA variant anymore, now that we have the big, bad Indian one? Whilst it is prudent to monitor them, there has been a lot of hysteria and hyperbole (mostly driven by the media) surrounding these variants, when most of it is completely unjustified.


    Completely unjustified until it isn't? Bit like the original virus itself. All it takes is one really nasty version to develop and all bets are off. May not happen but we can't be sure and the vaccine roll outs should help stop it happening.


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  • #1147
    eddie73
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 647 ✭✭✭eddie73


    dominatinMC wrote: »
    Are you serious? Stay living under your covers.peering out from behind the curtins if you like. The majority, and vast majority at that, will not give a ****e. Do people get worked up over the common cold or flu? Most people are already moving on, stay away from the hysteria-fuelled headlines of RTE and The Journal, and you might too.


    You are missing the point. Most people don't give a sh*te, I agree with you. But what choice do they have if bars are either permanently closed or subject to restrictive public health regulations? They will not be allowed to behave in certain ways in bars from now on. Either that or they will have to go partying elsewhere. 100% agree with you about the hysterical media.

    We could argue that people will get accustomed to the new regulations and eventually work with them. But this is not the bar of yesterday, which is the kernel of this thread. The old bars are gone forever imo.


  • #1148
    dominatinMC
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    eddie73 wrote: »
    You are missing the point. Most people don't give a sh*te, I agree with you. But what choice do they have if bars are either permanently closed or subject to restrictive public health regulations? They will not be allowed to behave in certain ways in bars from now on. Either that or they will have to go partying elsewhere. 100% agree with you about the hysterical media.

    We could argue that people will get accustomed to the new regulations and eventually work with them. But this is not the bar of yesterday, which is the kernel of this thread. The old bars are gone forever imo.
    Simple question to this bit in bold - why? What reason for restrictions? Why won't people be allowed to behave in certain ways?


  • #1149
    [Deleted User]
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    eddie73 wrote: »
    We could argue that people will get accustomed to the new regulations and eventually work with them. But this is not the bar of yesterday, which is the kernel of this thread. The old bars are gone forever imo.

    You're rather premature issuing the death notice for the traditional pub. Within weeks, many (not all, granted) will reopen and thrive from pent-up demand. A cursory ear to the ground suggests that many people are eager to rekindle the craic and horse into them pints. You underestimate human nature, old habits die hard and an ingrained culture for generations cannot be eradicated within a year. Which isn't necessarily music to Tony's ears or others with a derisory view of the hospitality sector. Naturally, there are those who are apprehensive and won't return to the local in a hurry. These are in the minority, business as usual for the rest.


  • #1150
    eddie73
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    You're rather premature issuing the death notice for the traditional pub. Within weeks, many (not all, granted) will reopen and thrive from pent-up demand. A cursory ear to the ground suggests that many people are eager to rekindle the craic and horse into them pints. You underestimate human nature, old habits die hard and an ingrained culture for generations cannot be eradicated within a year. Which isn't necessarily music to Tony's ears or others with a derisory view of the hospitality sector. Naturally, there are those who are apprehensive and won't return to the local in a hurry. These are in the minority, business as usual for the rest.


    People will reinvent ways of socialising regardless of bars. Within weeks, bars will open, under severe restrictions.

    https://failtecdn.azureedge.net/failteireland/Guidelines-for-Re-opening-Hotels-and-Guesthouses.pdf?fbclid=IwAR3ixoNr5yDLwfEH50lTAlJiqw4zcdnfMa0rRZ46qKDRWTMInAe35vVRhEw

    I don't have your confidence in survival of bars or the new bar that we will experience in the months to come. Regardless of the minority who are afraid to go out again, there are also those people who won't want to. There is a big difference between these categories.


  • #1151
    [Deleted User]
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    opinionated3 wrote: »
    If the vulnerable are now vaccinated, I see no reason why I can't sit up to the bar with other regulars. How long are we going to persist with this social distancing?

    The vulnerable aren't all vaccinated.


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  • #1152
    pubsy_boy
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    eddie73 wrote: »
    It depends what our expectations are regarding return of our boozers.

    If people think it will be the same as it was before covid, then they are delusional.

    Living in England, really felt the need to reply to this :)

    The pubs are re-opened here fully. What are my experiences? Well the Wetherspoons are the only ones really adhering to the rules (table service etc). Every other one (proper country pubs) are back to normal. Sure there's a QR code plastered up on the door, but no-one bothers with that. And why wouldn't it be? Vaccines are out there, people are fine and the demand is there!

    Tbh with you, it's great. I daresay the delusional ones are those who reckon pub-life has gone for good!


  • #1153
    saabsaab
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    pubsy_boy wrote: »
    Living in England, really felt the need to reply to this :)

    The pubs are re-opened here fully. What are my experiences? Well the Wetherspoons are the only ones really adhering to the rules (table service etc). Every other one (proper country pubs) are back to normal. Sure there's a QR code plastered up on the door, but no-one bothers with that. And why wouldn't it be? Vaccines are out there, people are fine and the demand is there!

    Tbh with you, it's great. I daresay the delusional ones are those who reckon pub-life has gone for good!


    I doubt that Pubs are gone for good but some won't be back and many will have to change to keep up with the new drinker. More food, more outdoor, better toilet facilities etc.


  • #1154
    dominatinMC
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    saabsaab wrote: »
    I doubt that Pubs are gone for good but some won't be back and many will have to change to keep up with the new drinker. More food, more outdoor, better toilet facilities etc.
    I don't get this at all, who is this "new drinker"? The one who ridiculed the ridiculous €9 food rule last year, which is now gone? The one who is now going to sit outside in the pissing rain for a few weeks, until indoors re-opens? I think people are reading far too much into temporary short-term measures which are in place until the country is vaccinated.


  • #1155
    dominatinMC
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    eddie73 wrote: »
    People will reinvent ways of socialising regardless of bars. Within weeks, bars will open, under severe TEMPORARY restrictions.

    eddie73 wrote: »
    https://failtecdn.azureedge.net/failteireland/Guidelines-for-Re-opening-Hotels-and-Guesthouses.pdf?fbclid=IwAR3ixoNr5yDLwfEH50lTAlJiqw4zcdnfMa0rRZ46qKDRWTMInAe35vVRhEw

    I don't have your confidence in survival of bars or the new bar that we will experience in the months to come. Regardless of the minority who are afraid to go out again, there are also those people who won't want to. There is a big difference between these categories.
    All these measures are temporary, you seem to be under the impression that they are indefinite. Why would they be?


  • #1156
    saabsaab
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,730 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    dominatinMC wrote: »
    I don't get this at all, who is this "new drinker"? The one who ridiculed the ridiculous €9 food rule last year, which is now gone? The one who is now going to sit outside in the pissing rain for a few weeks, until indoors re-opens? I think people are reading far too much into temporary short-term measures which are in place until the country is vaccinated.


    The new drinker is coming for a while now. I have seen him, not for them the pints one after the other. A few glasses of wine or whiskey, early home to take away foreign food. Generally younger accompanied by girlfriend or partner who is particular where she drinks and will rule out several places because of the poor toilet facilities.


  • #1157
    eddie73
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Operating under a controlled system will be temporary. How long it lasts no one knows but we will get back to what we were like before covid.

    I hope you are right, but there are 2 problems with the future.

    1 The economic damage that has already been done, unfortunately through no-one's fault by the lockdown here.
    2 The length of time we are going to live under continued controls, which will be damaging to the trade, no mater what way you dress it up. Limits on numbers people. Limits on time. Limits on music. These aren't small things. These are huge things when it comes to going out for a night out. The longer this goes on, the more bars will close.

    All smaller businesses...it doesn't take a genius to work out what will happen.

    Best case scenario. If you like wutherspoons, Make the most of it, because that is the type of bar that will survive.


  • #1158
    saabsaab
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,730 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    Originally Posted by podgeandrodge viewpost.gif
    Brenda Power: "I think going forward we will adapt to a more Scandanavian or more continental model where you have tables, with people sitting at them, and having a conversation where they can actually hear each other. A novel idea"


    I'd say it's going that way at least in the cities.


  • #1159
    dominatinMC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,130 ✭✭✭dominatinMC


    saabsaab wrote: »
    Originally Posted by podgeandrodge viewpost.gif
    Brenda Power: "I think going forward we will adapt to a more Scandanavian or more continental model where you have tables, with people sitting at them, and having a conversation where they can actually hear each other. A novel idea"

    I'd say it's going that way at least in the cities.
    Ah the Irish inferiority complex to the fore once more, looking at the utopia that is Europe for a healthy dose of cosmopolitan culture. Of course, it is good to have choice, and there is certainly a market there for what Brenda Power describes, but I don't believe for a minute that these places will usurp the regular pubs. We in Ireland are renowned for our pub culture, and there's nothing at all wrong with that. They're great craic, something which a lot of European institutions are not.

    The fact that there's a thread on here discussing the very topic, and the constant references to pubs everytime restrictions are mentioned, is testament to their place in society and the Irish psyche.


  • #1160
    Coillte_Bhoy
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    saabsaab wrote: »
    Originally Posted by podgeandrodge viewpost.gif
    Brenda Power: "I think going forward we will adapt to a more Scandanavian or more continental model where you have tables, with people sitting at them, and having a conversation where they can actually hear each other. A novel idea"


    I'd say it's going that way at least in the cities.

    Her interview was pathetic, basically telling us we dont enjoy packed pubs etc even if we say otherwise. Who the **** does she think she is? Talk about arrogant,:mad:


  • #1161
    saabsaab
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    Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »
    Her interview was pathetic, basically telling us we dont enjoy packed pubs etc even if we say otherwise. Who the **** does she think she is? Talk about arrogant,:mad:


    Attacking the messenger? She is pointing out the way it is going. I like the old style pub but I can see and already have seen many of them going. I doubt many like packed pubs busy yes but packed no. Hard to get to the bar and back without spilling it everywhere!


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  • #1162
    shadyslimshady
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    saabsaab wrote: »
    Attacking the messenger? She is pointing out the way it is going. I like the old style pub but I can see and already have seen many of them going. I doubt many like packed pubs busy yes but packed no. Hard to get to the bar and back without spilling it everywhere!

    Not see a bit of a paradox there?


  • #1163
    saabsaab
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,730 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    shadyslimshady wrote: »
    Not see a bit of a paradox there?


    No. Can you point it out? The things I like are changing..


  • #1164
    shadyslimshady
    Closed Accounts Posts: 70 ✭✭shadyslimshady


    saabsaab wrote: »
    No. Can you point it out? The things I like are changing..

    A 59 year old women didn't like a pub that she could barely move in due to it been packed?


  • #1165
    saabsaab
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    shadyslimshady wrote: »
    A 59 year old women didn't like a pub that she could barely move in due to it been packed?


    Many don't and more of them than ever.


  • #1166
    PTH2009
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    I can't wait to go back to the pub and do think people will flock back. Obv it will be a little different with the 'Temporary' regulations in place and little/no music/sport (tbh a lot of places will still have it) and early closes. Indoor very much my preference

    Pre covid opening/closing times will come back eventually (possible end of the year/early 2022) and i think people will just go out earlier instead of pre drinking

    As much as i'd love to book a hotel for indoor pints, nah i'll wait and live with outdoor


  • #1167
    saabsaab
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    PTH2009 wrote: »
    I can't wait to go back to the pub and do think people will flock back. Obv it will be a little different with the 'Temporary' regulations in place and little/no music/sport (tbh a lot of places will still have it) and early closes. Indoor very much my preference

    Pre covid opening/closing times will come back eventually (possible end of the year/early 2022) and i think people will just go out earlier instead of pre drinking

    As much as i'd love to book a hotel for indoor pints, nah i'll wait and live with outdoor


    Some pubs will be busy at first others maybe not as people will be nervous. I am good to go (fully vaccinated with the pass) so no worries for me.


  • #1168
    shadyslimshady
    Closed Accounts Posts: 70 ✭✭shadyslimshady


    PTH2009 wrote: »
    I can't wait to go back to the pub and do think people will flock back. Obv it will be a little different with the 'Temporary' regulations in place and little/no music/sport (tbh a lot of places will still have it) and early closes. Indoor very much my preference

    Pre covid opening/closing times will come back eventually (possible end of the year/early 2022) and i think people will just go out earlier instead of pre drinking

    As much as i'd love to book a hotel for indoor pints, nah i'll wait and live with outdoor

    Off for the week of the bank holiday. gonna be carnage :)


  • #1169
    PTH2009
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    Im 31 so doubt i'll have even 1 dose by outdoor opening on the 7th June. Should have 1 by the time indoor opens

    11pm last orders with the place cleared by 11.30pm, hope i'm wrong but hard to see any change in that when/if Indoor reopens in July


  • #1170
    saabsaab
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,730 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    PTH2009 wrote: »
    Im 31 so doubt i'll have even 1 dose by outdoor opening on the 7th June. Should have 1 by the time indoor opens

    11pm last orders with the place cleared by 11.30pm, hope i'm wrong but hard to see any change in that when/if Indoor reopens in July


    Older than you but I got it early due to circumstances I won't go into.


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  • #1171
    giveitholly
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    saabsaab wrote: »
    Some pubs will be busy at first others maybe not as people will be nervous. I am good to go (fully vaccinated with the pass) so no worries for me.

    What pass?


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