Will the Rovers ever Return? Your pub megathread, Part 2 - threadbans in OP

Deleted User wrote: »

Operating under a controlled system will be temporary. How long it lasts no one knows but we will get back to what we were like before covid.

I hope you are right, but there are 2 problems with the future.

1 The economic damage that has already been done, unfortunately through no-one's fault by the lockdown here.
2 The length of time we are going to live under continued controls, which will be damaging to the trade, no mater what way you dress it up. Limits on numbers people. Limits on time. Limits on music. These aren't small things. These are huge things when it comes to going out for a night out. The longer this goes on, the more bars will close.

All smaller businesses...it doesn't take a genius to work out what will happen.

Best case scenario. If you like wutherspoons, Make the most of it, because that is the type of bar that will survive.

dominatinMC wrote: »

I don't get this at all, who is this "new drinker"? The one who ridiculed the ridiculous €9 food rule last year, which is now gone? The one who is now going to sit outside in the pissing rain for a few weeks, until indoors re-opens? I think people are reading far too much into temporary short-term measures which are in place until the country is vaccinated.

The new drinker is coming for a while now. I have seen him, not for them the pints one after the other. A few glasses of wine or whiskey, early home to take away foreign food. Generally younger accompanied by girlfriend or partner who is particular where she drinks and will rule out several places because of the poor toilet facilities.

eddie73 wrote: »

People will reinvent ways of socialising regardless of bars. Within weeks, bars will open, under severe TEMPORARY restrictions.

eddie73 wrote: »

https://failtecdn.azureedge.net/failteireland/Guidelines-for-Re-opening-Hotels-and-Guesthouses.pdf?fbclid=IwAR3ixoNr5yDLwfEH50lTAlJiqw4zcdnfMa0rRZ46qKDRWTMInAe35vVRhEw

I don't have your confidence in survival of bars or the new bar that we will experience in the months to come. Regardless of the minority who are afraid to go out again, there are also those people who won't want to. There is a big difference between these categories.

All these measures are temporary, you seem to be under the impression that they are indefinite. Why would they be?

saabsaab wrote: »

I doubt that Pubs are gone for good but some won't be back and many will have to change to keep up with the new drinker. More food, more outdoor, better toilet facilities etc.

I don't get this at all, who is this "new drinker"? The one who ridiculed the ridiculous €9 food rule last year, which is now gone? The one who is now going to sit outside in the pissing rain for a few weeks, until indoors re-opens? I think people are reading far too much into temporary short-term measures which are in place until the country is vaccinated.

pubsy_boy wrote: »

Living in England, really felt the need to reply to this

The pubs are re-opened here fully. What are my experiences? Well the Wetherspoons are the only ones really adhering to the rules (table service etc). Every other one (proper country pubs) are back to normal. Sure there's a QR code plastered up on the door, but no-one bothers with that. And why wouldn't it be? Vaccines are out there, people are fine and the demand is there!

Tbh with you, it's great. I daresay the delusional ones are those who reckon pub-life has gone for good!

I doubt that Pubs are gone for good but some won't be back and many will have to change to keep up with the new drinker. More food, more outdoor, better toilet facilities etc.

pubsy_boy

eddie73 wrote: »

It depends what our expectations are regarding return of our boozers.

If people think it will be the same as it was before covid, then they are delusional.

Living in England, really felt the need to reply to this

The pubs are re-opened here fully. What are my experiences? Well the Wetherspoons are the only ones really adhering to the rules (table service etc). Every other one (proper country pubs) are back to normal. Sure there's a QR code plastered up on the door, but no-one bothers with that. And why wouldn't it be? Vaccines are out there, people are fine and the demand is there!

Tbh with you, it's great. I daresay the delusional ones are those who reckon pub-life has gone for good!

opinionated3 wrote: »

If the vulnerable are now vaccinated, I see no reason why I can't sit up to the bar with other regulars. How long are we going to persist with this social distancing?

The vulnerable aren't all vaccinated.

Deleted User wrote: »

You're rather premature issuing the death notice for the traditional pub. Within weeks, many (not all, granted) will reopen and thrive from pent-up demand. A cursory ear to the ground suggests that many people are eager to rekindle the craic and horse into them pints. You underestimate human nature, old habits die hard and an ingrained culture for generations cannot be eradicated within a year. Which isn't necessarily music to Tony's ears or others with a derisory view of the hospitality sector. Naturally, there are those who are apprehensive and won't return to the local in a hurry. These are in the minority, business as usual for the rest.

People will reinvent ways of socialising regardless of bars. Within weeks, bars will open, under severe restrictions.

https://failtecdn.azureedge.net/failteireland/Guidelines-for-Re-opening-Hotels-and-Guesthouses.pdf?fbclid=IwAR3ixoNr5yDLwfEH50lTAlJiqw4zcdnfMa0rRZ46qKDRWTMInAe35vVRhEw

I don't have your confidence in survival of bars or the new bar that we will experience in the months to come. Regardless of the minority who are afraid to go out again, there are also those people who won't want to. There is a big difference between these categories.

eddie73 wrote: »

We could argue that people will get accustomed to the new regulations and eventually work with them. But this is not the bar of yesterday, which is the kernel of this thread. The old bars are gone forever imo.

You're rather premature issuing the death notice for the traditional pub. Within weeks, many (not all, granted) will reopen and thrive from pent-up demand. A cursory ear to the ground suggests that many people are eager to rekindle the craic and horse into them pints. You underestimate human nature, old habits die hard and an ingrained culture for generations cannot be eradicated within a year. Which isn't necessarily music to Tony's ears or others with a derisory view of the hospitality sector. Naturally, there are those who are apprehensive and won't return to the local in a hurry. These are in the minority, business as usual for the rest.

eddie73 wrote: »

You are missing the point. Most people don't give a sh*te, I agree with you. But what choice do they have if bars are either permanently closed or subject to restrictive public health regulations? They will not be allowed to behave in certain ways in bars from now on. Either that or they will have to go partying elsewhere. 100% agree with you about the hysterical media.

We could argue that people will get accustomed to the new regulations and eventually work with them. But this is not the bar of yesterday, which is the kernel of this thread. The old bars are gone forever imo.

Simple question to this bit in bold - why? What reason for restrictions? Why won't people be allowed to behave in certain ways?

dominatinMC wrote: »

Are you serious? Stay living under your covers.peering out from behind the curtins if you like. The majority, and vast majority at that, will not give a ****e. Do people get worked up over the common cold or flu? Most people are already moving on, stay away from the hysteria-fuelled headlines of RTE and The Journal, and you might too.

You are missing the point. Most people don't give a sh*te, I agree with you. But what choice do they have if bars are either permanently closed or subject to restrictive public health regulations? They will not be allowed to behave in certain ways in bars from now on. Either that or they will have to go partying elsewhere. 100% agree with you about the hysterical media.

We could argue that people will get accustomed to the new regulations and eventually work with them. But this is not the bar of yesterday, which is the kernel of this thread. The old bars are gone forever imo.

dominatinMC wrote: »

We're 15 months into this and we've had the Kent variant, SA variant, Brittany variant, California variant, New York variant, and now Indian variant. I'm sure there are countless others, but thankfully it appears so far that the vaccines work against them. Does anyone even mention the SA variant anymore, now that we have the big, bad Indian one? Whilst it is prudent to monitor them, there has been a lot of hysteria and hyperbole (mostly driven by the media) surrounding these variants, when most of it is completely unjustified.

Completely unjustified until it isn't? Bit like the original virus itself. All it takes is one really nasty version to develop and all bets are off. May not happen but we can't be sure and the vaccine roll outs should help stop it happening.

saabsaab wrote: »

Barring a new nasty variant the vaccines should sort it out.

We're 15 months into this and we've had the Kent variant, SA variant, Brittany variant, California variant, New York variant, and now Indian variant. I'm sure there are countless others, but thankfully it appears so far that the vaccines work against them. Does anyone even mention the SA variant anymore, now that we have the big, bad Indian one? Whilst it is prudent to monitor them, there has been a lot of hysteria and hyperbole (mostly driven by the media) surrounding these variants, when most of it is completely unjustified.

PTH2009

Taken from Dublins Church Bar and Restaurant Facebook page

'We are delighted to announce our re opening on the 10th of June.
Temporary Opening hours :
Thursday 12-11.30
Friday 12-11.30
Saturday 12-11.30
Sunday 12-10'

dominatinMC wrote: »

Are you serious? Stay living under your covers.peering out from behind the curtins if you like. The majority, and vast majority at that, will not give a ****e. Do people get worked up over the common cold or flu? Most people are already moving on, stay away from the hysteria-fuelled headlines of RTE and The Journal, and you might too.

Barring a new nasty variant the vaccines should sort it out.

eddie73 wrote: »

Happy clapping over vaccines is all well and good, but we have yet to see how the public are going to handle covid occurrences in the community, which will happen constantly from now on. When I say occurrences, that would mean 2 or 3 people on a daily basis. This will still make the news. This will still cause mayhem with the public. imagine a town like Athlone where this happens. A few people get covid. Headlines in the papers. People decide to stay at home rather than go to bars. or there are flash lockdowns. No pup for bars. Call me pessimistic, but I see this as a likely scenario.

Are you serious? Stay living under your covers.peering out from behind the curtins if you like. The majority, and vast majority at that, will not give a ****e. Do people get worked up over the common cold or flu? Most people are already moving on, stay away from the hysteria-fuelled headlines of RTE and The Journal, and you might too.

eddie73 wrote: »

I don't know how they are going to survive if they try and open and operate under a controlled system. People will neither have the money nor the patience to go out "socialising" under these conditions.

Operating under a controlled system will be temporary. How long it lasts no one knows but we will get back to what we were like before covid.

eddie73 wrote: »

It depends what our expectations are regarding return of our boozers.

If people think it will be the same as it was before covid, then they are delusional.

If people think that bars are going to be able to survive with covid regulations in situ as well as last minute lockdowns hanging over them, they too are delusional.

I think every town is going to have about 4 pubs. They will be under very strict duress and will be answerable to the constant scrutiny of social media and government.

Live music will be cut down to early evening entertainment. One man band or dj. They will have to operate under a certain noise threshold, which may not be a bad thing, but ultimately, this will not encourage any sort of rock music at all.

I cant see the pubs resembling the pubs we grew up with.

That post belongs in the conspiracy forum.
I'd love to hear the rationale behind your views, when we will soon have herd immunity from a range of safe and very effective vaccines, which reduce transmission, prevent severe illness/hospitalistions/death from the virus. And before you cite "de variants", newsflash the vaccines work against them too.

Deleted User wrote: »

You are delusional if you think pubs/live music events wont return to what they were like before covid. Not a chance of it happening. It might take another year or two to get to what they were like before covid before it will get back to what it was like in the old days

I don't know how they are going to survive if they try and open and operate under a controlled system. People will neither have the money nor the patience to go out "socialising" under these conditions.

paw patrol wrote: »

forever?
that's some bleak assessment eps now everybody is happy clapping over the vaccines.

Happy clapping over vaccines is all well and good, but we have yet to see how the public are going to handle covid occurrences in the community, which will happen constantly from now on. When I say occurrences, that would mean 2 or 3 people on a daily basis. This will still make the news. This will still cause mayhem with the public. imagine a town like Athlone where this happens. A few people get covid. Headlines in the papers. People decide to stay at home rather than go to bars. or there are flash lockdowns. No pup for bars. Call me pessimistic, but I see this as a likely scenario.

eddie73 wrote: »

It depends what our expectations are regarding return of our boozers.

If people think it will be the same as it was before covid, then they are delusional.

If people think that bars are going to be able to survive with covid regulations in situ as well as last minute lockdowns hanging over them, they too are delusional.

I think every town is going to have about 4 pubs. They will be under very strict duress and will be answerable to the constant scrutiny of social media and government.

Live music will be cut down to early evening entertainment. One man band or dj. They will have to operate under a certain noise threshold, which may not be a bad thing, but ultimately, this will not encourage any sort of rock music at all.

I cant see the pubs resembling the pubs we grew up with.

You are delusional if you think pubs/live music events wont return to what they were like before covid. Not a chance of it happening. It might take another year or two to get to what they were like before covid before it will get back to what it was like in the old days

paw patrol

eddie73 wrote: »

It depends what our expectations are regarding return of our boozers.

If people think it will be the same as it was before covid, then they are delusional.

If people think that bars are going to be able to survive with covid regulations in situ as well as last minute lockdowns hanging over them, they too are delusional.

I think every town is going to have about 4 pubs. They will be under very strict duress and will be answerable to the constant scrutiny of social media and government.

Live music will be cut down to early evening entertainment. One man band or dj. They will have to operate under a certain noise threshold, which may not be a bad thing, but ultimately, this will not encourage any sort of rock music at all.

I cant see the pubs resembling the pubs we grew up with.

forever?
that's some bleak assessment eps now everybody is happy clapping over the vaccines.

Tenzor07

awec wrote: »

Was up north last weekend and went to a pub for some outdoor boozing.I have to say it was nice to get out for a few pints, but outdoor sucks. It was freezing. I don't know if they'll have the same rules down here but they couldn't even erect screens up there to block the wind, I think 2 or 3 sides of the area have to be open to allow airflow. Since the outdoor limitation may only last a few weeks not too many pubs will invest in heating etc at this stage, it wouldn't be worth it, especially after they've been closed for over a year with no takings at all.Hopefully we get a spell of amazing weather in the next few weeks.

Like I've said before on this thread, we're not the Greek Islands here, just look out the window today, couldn't think of anything more miserable that being squashed onto soggy outdoor seating to sup down a cold beer today and have it diluted by the rain...
Not to mention the vast increase in Anti-social behavior around Dublin and other places, just look at what happened in Malahide, a sleepy up market seaside town and you have Gangs of Youths jumping on cars on the main street and fighting... not a Gard to be seen.. imagine trying to enjoy a pint with all that going on plus roaming Drug addicts looking for "spare change".... means that security men have to be employed costing Businesses even more money...

Pubs.. stay closed until Indoors is allowed...

It depends what our expectations are regarding return of our boozers.

If people think it will be the same as it was before covid, then they are delusional.

If people think that bars are going to be able to survive with covid regulations in situ as well as last minute lockdowns hanging over them, they too are delusional.

I think every town is going to have about 4 pubs. They will be under very strict duress and will be answerable to the constant scrutiny of social media and government.

Live music will be cut down to early evening entertainment. One man band or dj. They will have to operate under a certain noise threshold, which may not be a bad thing, but ultimately, this will not encourage any sort of rock music at all.

I cant see the pubs resembling the pubs we grew up with.

awec

Was up north last weekend and went to a pub for some outdoor boozing.

I have to say it was nice to get out for a few pints, but outdoor sucks. It was freezing. I don't know if they'll have the same rules down here but they couldn't even erect screens up there to block the wind, I think 2 or 3 sides of the area have to be open to allow airflow.

Since the outdoor limitation may only last a few weeks not too many pubs will invest in heating etc at this stage, it wouldn't be worth it, especially after they've been closed for over a year with no takings at all.

Hopefully we get a spell of amazing weather in the next few weeks.

opinionated3 wrote: »

If the vulnerable are now vaccinated, I see no reason why I can't sit up to the bar with other regulars. How long are we going to persist with this social distancing?

When the pubs were opened last year for a few weeks i was in 2 of my locals and we were able to sit at the bar. Both pubs had a glass partition at the bar. Both pubs were well set up. No reason why they should be opened when the vulnerable are vaccinated

opinionated3

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Agree with you 100%. No reason to why the pubs shouldnt open. They were open last year with table service for a few weeks and we had no vaccine. They should be opened back up as soon as possible

If the vulnerable are now vaccinated, I see no reason why I can't sit up to the bar with other regulars. How long are we going to persist with this social distancing?