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Are we there yet? Your second Travel Megathread (threadbans in OP}

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,481 ✭✭✭bikeman1


    https://www.thejournal.ie/eu-takes-step-towards-relaxing-tourism-travel-for-people-5441604-May2021/

    The EU is moving towards not only allowing the Green cert but to allow people from countries with high vaccinations and vaccinated and or low case rates to travel into the EU bloc.

    The charade and nonsense will come to an end sooner than our conservative government would like. We'll have vaccinated American's visiting here and at the same time saying to our own citizens you are not to travel.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,245 ✭✭✭Tazz T


    New York Times is reporting that EU could be open in a week for vaxxed Americans, including Ireland. Leo might have to have a word with our ambassador for signing up to this.

    'The list of safe countries based on epidemiological criteria will be finalized on Friday, and the new measures could go into effect as early as next week, according to European officials.'

    The craic will be fierce at that travel memo meeting next week as the first US tourists are snogging the blarney stone.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,222 ✭✭✭Valhallapt


    bubblypop wrote: »
    All European countries have different laws, but you know that.
    If you are moving to your home, then there is nothing stopping you. If you are going on your holidays, then there are restrictions.
    Every European country have restrictions on non essential travel.

    What country is giving fines to its citizens for going to an airport?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,854 ✭✭✭Nermal


    Aoife also stated that her view (ISAG's view) was no International travel should take place until 80% of the whole population are vaccinated, including children.

    Her comment 'People are sensible, no-one wants to get on a plane in the middle of a pandemic to go on holiday' was quite the eye-roller, unattended to by Claire.

    If that's the case Aoife, we don't need the fine, do we?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 427 ✭✭mmclo


    Valhallapt wrote: »
    Yes, It allows my on a PC, see attached:

    553521.png

    Used to drive me demented!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 550 ✭✭✭yoshimitsu


    How would one go about getting proof a previous infection that would work for travel does anyone know?


    Ask the hackers, they have your medical files at the moment


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 290 ✭✭Chuck Norris 2021


    Tazz T wrote: »
    New York Times is reporting that EU could be open in a week for vaxxed Americans, including Ireland. Leo might have to have a word with our ambassador for signing up to this.

    'The list of safe countries based on epidemiological criteria will be finalized on Friday, and the new measures could go into effect as early as next week, according to European officials.'

    The craic will be fierce at that travel memo meeting next week as the first US tourists are snogging the blarney stone.

    I'm really looking forward to the meltdown over the next week or two :pac:.


  • Posts: 236 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The Irish Times has reported that non essential travel will be allowed between EU countries with a 14-day case rate of less than 75 per 100,000 very soon.

    Where is the official source of these numbers for each EU country?


    *


    Article: https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/eu-to-allow-non-essential-visits-for-fully-vaccinated-1.4569282


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    At the bottom of this page, updated on Thursdays.

    https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/cases-2019-ncov-eueea


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 217 ✭✭Skippette


    Just heard a clip of Micheál Martin on the radio saying Aer Lingus shouldn't be closing anything at Shannon or Cork.

    Now why do you think they might be closing them Micheál? Could it be anything to do with the excessive restrictions on travel imposed by your government?

    According to the Independent, he was also saying that every effort will be made to restore international travel with a decision due to be taken by government next Tuesday.


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  • Posts: 19,178 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Valhallapt wrote: »
    What country is giving fines to its citizens for going to an airport?

    Sure you know the answer to that!
    And it's not for going to the airport


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 427 ✭✭mmclo


    Tazz T wrote: »
    New York Times is reporting that EU could be open in a week for vaxxed Americans, including Ireland.

    Ireland would have to "opt in" under Schengen Acquis Protocol


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,222 ✭✭✭Valhallapt


    mmclo wrote: »
    Ireland would have to "opt in" under Schengen Acquis Protocol

    the UK will opt in, we won't have a choice thankfully


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,992 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    faceman wrote: »
    Given the airtime “experts” like McConkey and McLysaght get, there are plenty of people here in this thread with expert status, yourself and myself included :pac: :pac:

    Joking aside, I don’t think anyone is claiming the pandemic is over because they want their holibobs. With testing in place and the Travel Cert on the cusp of being introduced, there’s no justifiable reason that Ireland has for delaying non essential travel. The excuse of variants just doesn’t cut it given the vaccines work against all variants.

    What do you mean by this? It’s very much a misrepresentation of reality. EU countries are continuing on their paths of deescalation with some not required testing from tourists.

    That sounds great in theory but as I’ve already pointed out, the stats show us that herd immunity isn’t necessary to reduce the dangers of covid. Hospital cases have dropped dramatically. Covid clearly only had a serious impact on the elderly and vulnerable risk groups, and the vast majority of those have been vaccinated. If Tony Hulahoop is telling grandparents that they can go out and “hug their grandchildren”, then what does it matter if their grandchildren are in Glasnevin or Rome. The vaccine doesn’t stop working when you get on an airplane. ;)

    Excuse my French. But thats horrlicks :D . As detailed no one I know listens to or follows McConkey. But more importantly he's got feq all to do with any of the restrictions as they stand..
    Tbf the only time I hear his name mentioned is here and the other covid sceptic thread ;)

    But I reckon you've answered your own question
    "With testing in place and the Travel Cert on the cusp of being introduced"

    Indeed things are changing - but those demanding to do what they like regardless of restrictions here or in destination countries really don't need any more encouragement than they already get off social media.

    Not to invoke the things which were never said clause :pac: but no I hadn't referred to variants. But yes I can certainly see why countries are keeping travel restrictions - I have yet to find any which are totally restriction free

    But you ask why travel? Because travel especially travel by mass transport where theres is frequent close contact / lack of social distancing and carries a significantly higher risk of infection. Antigen / PCR testing doesn't protect you from that. Then there's everything again associated with people going on holiday which are known to carry higher risks of infection. I know some people think their invincible but the fact is with Covid no one is. You may get , get sick or not but chances are you're going to pass it on. So yeah travelling to hug your grandkids may be a bit of an issue.

    That said I'd reckon some of our wannabe I must go on holiday now! people are going to get a bit of a surprise when they end up abroad and learn that very few places are restrictions free - thats of course if they can actually get there and back without getting stuck in quarantine when countries travel statuses can change at the drop of a hat as happened last year.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,245 ✭✭✭Tazz T


    mmclo wrote: »
    Ireland would have to "opt in" under Schengen Acquis Protocol

    How does that work if the Irish ambassador has already opted in on our behalf. All 27 countries have agreed on the basic terms. Do we do a UK and say we were only joking and opt out after opting in next week.

    Apparently, there is flexibility for 'more conservative countries' in terms of requiring PCRs but it's a bit pointless to sign up just to then to reject it completely.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,499 ✭✭✭dalyboy


    Skippette wrote: »
    According to the Independent, he was also saying that every effort will be made to restore international travel with a decision due to be taken by government next Tuesday.

    Yip. See u next Tuesday Micheal.

    They’ve hummed and hawed long enough. The removal of this 2k fine thing has to be priority number one at next weeks meeting or restoration of international travel will not be be taken seriously.

    Why are issues as serious this always end up being pushed out to next week and not being treated as the crisis it actually is.


  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 57,292 Mod ✭✭✭✭Necro




  • Posts: 5,506 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Valhallapt wrote: »
    the UK will opt in, we won't have a choice thankfully

    So now the schengen agreement has been forced on Ireland and the UK, no longer an eu nation, can 'opt in' to the schengen agreement?

    Ireland agreed to enter the after travel system after negotiations, nothing was forced. We are not and remain outside schengen agreement
    JojoLoca wrote: »
    Austria, Denmark, Italy, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Poland as far as I'm aware

    So a minority still.


  • Posts: 6,045 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]



    I'm gonna start calling you all rat-lickers, see how far that gets me.

    It gets me a warning, predictably.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,014 ✭✭✭✭Corholio


    Wow that was quite a few pages.

    I think it should be said that for those, especially that one poster that went full nuclear here about those wanting to travel, that travelling to Belfast and flying out is not breaking the law and is perfectly legal, in the CTA from May 24th. Trying to get people banned here is absolutely childish, especially on vague statements, some of which don't break or flout any rules.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,453 ✭✭✭brickster69


    No chance UK will be going anywhere on holiday's till mid July at the earliest, apart from Green list countries which will be added to slowly.

    "if you get on the wrong train, get off at the nearest station, the longer it takes you to get off, the more expensive the return trip will be."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,992 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    Valhallapt wrote: »
    Yes and they are proportionate. I am not aware of any country preventing its citizens from leaving. Irelands restrictions are disproportionate.Yes but "My Right" under the Irish constitution and various EU treaties including Maastricht is being disproportionality restricted, under exceptional powers Dáil Eireann restricted my movements at various times during the pandemic for health concerns, I'm ok with them doing that. 2Km, 5Km, 20Km inter county are all ok with me as they treat every EU citizen equally. Under those restrictions it is justifiable to not allow intra EU travel. But all those restrictions are gone, now we're left with an arbitrary policy which discriminates against different parts of the EU. whilst I am free to get on a bus to donegal and sit in a bookies all day, I am not allowed from travelling to my home with my wife and kids.
    By you logic if we start to fine children for going into a classroom, we are not denying their right to an education. air quotes...., what if the member of "gardai" has the same mentality as you, the SI is ambiguous and open to interpretation, there for I am open to being unjustly sent a FPN because the "gardai" don't take my word that I have a "home" in Portugal or that my travels there are essential.

    What are you on about? Tbf most of that's just hot air and general moaning.

    If you wish to travel to your "second home" (in quotes) because that what you called it btw - Then print out your residence card or similar and job done. You won't be fined. And on the tiny chance you meet a garda having a bad day - you'll be able to appeal it.

    But yes different countries having different restrictions - so no its not "disproportionate" just because you say so. The EU have not asked the government to remove the fine - so looks like there's no issue there atm . If they decide there is - come back after your essential trip to your second home and we'll discuss it further ...

    In the meantime those who advocate ignoring restrictions - shouldn't be surprised if they get called out on it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,480 ✭✭✭✭Lumen


    This "unrestricted travel from countries with low case rates" approach has a whiff of sanity about it, and if the government have a clue they'll embrace it enthusiastically.

    It won't go down well with the "forget about the cases, look at the hospitals" crowd (I'm on the fence), but it seems like the least contentious approach for overcoming fears about travel and tourism causing infections to rocket amongst the unvaccinated whilst we all complete our vaccination programmes.

    Ireland is within sight of the "75" threshold (equivalent to around 270 cases/day), current 8th/30 with 124/100k/14 days.

    How soon can we get to 270 cases/day? Israel saw a decent drop start after they hit 65 doses/100, and another when they hit 100/100. We should be at the first of those points at mid-June even if we don't ramp up from the current rate of 0.8 doses/100/day, and we're also starting from a lower level of infection than Israel was so maybe end of June is a reasonable worst-case for unrestrcted travel under this scheme.

    Where that puts Leo's "early August" I have no idea. Go home Leo, you're drunk.

    edit: as I understand the proposal, people can still travel from countries with higher case rates, but they'd need the green cert (proof of vaccine or test or recovery).


  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 57,292 Mod ✭✭✭✭Necro


    Just like the lockdown lovers, what'll we talk about if they remove all the restraints? :rolleyes::pac:

    Threadbanned


  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 57,292 Mod ✭✭✭✭Necro


    It gets me a warning, predictably.

    And that post earns you a threadban, you should know better than to discuss mod actions on thread


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,992 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    Corholio wrote: »
    Wow that was quite a few pages.I think it should be said that for those, especially that one poster that went full nuclear here about those wanting to travel, that travelling to Belfast and flying out is not breaking the law and is perfectly legal, in the CTA from May 24th. Trying to get people banned here is absolutely childish, especially on vague statements, some of which don't break or flout any rules.

    Who was saying travelling to Belfast was illegal or trying to get "people banned"?

    Afaik its common knowledge that from May 24, people in Northern Ireland will be able to make non-essential trips to other parts of the Common Travel Area including the UK, the Republic of Ireland, the Isle of Man and the Channel Islands.

    However the Northern Ireland government has yet to announce any relaxation of its international travel rules.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3 donhur


    Are the Gardai actually handing out fines for unessential travel in Dublin airport? I mean in the last week or two.


  • Posts: 5,506 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    donhur wrote: »
    Are the Gardai actually handing out fines for unessential travel in Dublin airport? I mean in the last week or two.

    Why would they not be?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,034 ✭✭✭Swaine


    Why are people persisting with Dublin airport? Train up to Belfast and away you go, no problems. €40 return instead of some €100 PCR test and being made feel like a criminal.

    The apologists’ posts on here for the most restricted country in the EU is quite something to behold.

    Life is short, very short. Go enjoy it.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,480 ✭✭✭✭Lumen


    Swaine wrote: »
    Why are people persisting with Dublin airport? Train up to Belfast and away you go, no problems. €40 return instead of some €100 PCR test and being made feel like a criminal
    You still have to quarantine on your return.


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