Are we there yet? Your second Travel Megathread (threadbans in OP}

rwalshie · 19-05-2021 10:57AM

Feria40 wrote: »

I think I know the answer already but perhaps someone here can be a bit more definitive.

Ryanair are currently allowing you to change your flight once you book by the end of June and travel before the end of October.

Am I right in saying that this only applies to the departure & arrival dates?

I.e. I am looking to book a flight to Europe in August from Dublin. Flights are also available to this destination from Belfast.

If I book to travel from Dublin but things go awry with the hoped for easing of travel restrictions, can I change to the Belfast option? Without paying a full fare fee obviously

I contacted Ryanair a few weeks ago to check what the change covers and they confirmed that the routes are changeable also for free but obviously if the flight is more expensive you would pay the fare difference.

Chuck Norris 2021 · 19-05-2021 11:16AM

Lumen wrote: »

I wouldn't assume much about the many ways people may misinterpret the rules.

This thread of conversation included
There's a huge set of issues you have to navigate when planning travel right now, the scope for confusion is enormous.

Undoubtedly. Now I took the first quote to mean there is no quarantine in Spain, and that Belfast avoids the 2k fine, which are both correct. I think the point is, people know they can travel restriction free from NI. NI suits a huge amount of the population as well. If they were to drop the fine here, but keep the testing and home quarantine requirements, they'd still keep the numbers travelling down, and more importantly, they'd encourage those that'll travel regardless, to go through an Irish airport, generating business, and allowing the authorities visability on movements. As it stands, I can see people going via NI just to give them the two fingers.

By making measures proportional and fair, you ensure better compliance. So for example if they decided one of the junctions on the M7 was dangerous. If they reduce the speed to 100kph you'll likely get good compliance. Stick a 50 on it and everyone just ignores it.

Feria40 · 19-05-2021 11:24AM

rwalshie wrote: »

I contacted Ryanair a few weeks ago to check what the change covers and they confirmed that the routes are changeable also for free but obviously if the flight is more expensive you would pay the fare difference.

Super thank you. That's a bit more peace of mind

Valhallapt · 19-05-2021 11:32AM

rwalshie wrote: »

I contacted Ryanair a few weeks ago to check what the change covers and they confirmed that the routes are changeable also for free but obviously if the flight is more expensive you would pay the fare difference.

I'm on the app and it is only allowing me change dates, I cannot change the origin airport, are you able to do that?

rwalshie · 19-05-2021 11:49AM

Valhallapt wrote: »

I'm on the app and it is only allowing me change dates, I cannot change the origin airport, are you able to do that?

I didn't have a booking with them when I contacted them I was thinking of making one and wanted to check my options if I did go ahead and had to change later on. Maybe try doing it from the site itself just a suggestion sometimes the apps dont give all functionality.

mmclo · 19-05-2021 11:50AM

Valhallapt wrote: »

I'm on the app and it is only allowing me change dates, I cannot change the origin airport, are you able to do that?

Ryanair changes often easier on a PC

dublin_paul · 19-05-2021 11:55AM

Chuck Norris 2021 wrote: »

If you could afford to wait until June 2nd you'd be better off. It's a hard one to call. I was considering booking extra flights for Italy for August just incase.

I think at this point we are reliant on the 2k being a violation of EU law. Has anyone heard back following their complaints? Any updates from TDs?

I submitted an EU comission complaint and wrote to my constituency TD. No reply yet from either, I'm expecting it to take several more weeks. The constituency office did say my mail was flagged for follow-up though.

Hellrazer · 19-05-2021 12:08PM

dalyboy wrote: »

We are close to the finish line for reinstatement of our right to international travel thankfully

After hearing Leo this morning bull****ting about August again I really dont know.

It seems their one and only goal is to force staycations so that pub owners / hotels etc can fleece the f**k out of us to make up some of their lost revenue over the last year.

Honestly I couldnt care one iota about them - One hotel wanted 2k for 3 nights off me for a hotel room last week - not a hope in hell Id pay that for a hotel room. Id sooner use the 2k to pay the fine to get out of this place for a few weeks.

rwalshie · 19-05-2021 12:10PM

Valhallapt wrote: »

I'm on the app and it is only allowing me change dates, I cannot change the origin airport, are you able to do that?

Valhallapt would u mind posting to let us know how u get on if your able to process the route change would be great to know?

Micky 32 · 19-05-2021 12:15PM

Soundbites coming from Leo not very encouraging as usual in this article:

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/amp.rte.ie/amp/1222554/

Valhallapt · 19-05-2021 12:30PM

mmclo wrote: »

Ryanair changes often easier on a PC

Yes, It allows my on a PC, see attached:

stephenjmcd · 19-05-2021 12:39PM

Awaiting a full article on this, trying to find out a little more

https://twitter.com/DarrenGBNews/status/1394979348478889987?s=19

faceman · 19-05-2021 12:39PM

Starting to see European and even a few British tourists arrive here in Spain. Cases in my region still some of the lowest in Europe

For all intents and purposes in the EU and including Ireland, the pandemic as a crisis is over. We can’t see that when we look at case rates vs hospital numbers. It’s the same all over europe. Vaccines, once risk groups are covered, show that the virus loses its bite.

Gas to hear on the radio that the Gardai telling a drive thru cinema they can’t open this weekend in Ireland, meanwhile I’ll be performing a live show this Saturday night in Spain.

normanoffside · 19-05-2021 12:50PM

JojoLoca wrote: »

Austria, Denmark, Italy, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Poland as far as I'm aware

Germany too.

dublin_paul · 19-05-2021 12:54PM

Hellrazer wrote: »

After hearing Leo this morning bull****ting about August again I really dont know.

It seems their one and only goal is to force staycations so that pub owners / hotels etc can fleece the f**k out of us to make up some of their lost revenue over the last year.

Honestly I couldnt care one iota about them - One hotel wanted 2k for 3 nights off me for a hotel room last week - not a hope in hell Id pay that for a hotel room. Id sooner use the 2k to pay the fine to get out of this place for a few weeks.

Get an Airbnb? I haven't seen any price increases and they're in-line with wider EU

Ray Donovan · 19-05-2021 12:54PM

How would one go about getting proof a previous infection that would work for travel does anyone know?

Lumen · 19-05-2021 12:54PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Awaiting a full article on this, trying to find out a little more

https://twitter.com/DarrenGBNews/status/1394979348478889987?s=19

Unvaccinated people being allowed to travel freely might finally be a dividend for Ireland's ultra-conservative post-Christmas public health strategy.

Assuming our illustrious leaders don't concoct a way to cock it up.

Tazz T · 19-05-2021 12:54PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Awaiting a full article on this, trying to find out a little more

https://twitter.com/DarrenGBNews/status/1394979348478889987?s=19

https://www.thelocal.de/20210519/eu-agrees-to-open-borders-to-vaccinated-tourists-from-outside-bloc-2/

No date for when it comes into effect. So what is Leo on about when he talks about extending the ban on travel?

Chuck Norris 2021 · 19-05-2021 12:55PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Awaiting a full article on this, trying to find out a little more

https://twitter.com/DarrenGBNews/status/1394979348478889987?s=19

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/19/world/europe/eu-vaccinated-visitors-travel.html

This is probably the most honest article that I've seen on the matter so far, as it states that EU countries retain the right to 'tweak' the entry requirements, either through testing or quarantine.

Entry requirements set out by the government will probably be based on the amount of cash the incoming tourists have.....

The only thing is, it'll draw more attention to the fact that work is being done to allow the entry of people from outside the EU, while we are held hostage. I dearly hope we see a huge influx of Americans and Britsh soon. That'll turn the whole thing into an even bigger joke.

Chuck Norris 2021 · 19-05-2021 12:57PM

Lumen wrote: »

Unvaccinated people being allowed to travel freely might finally be a dividend for Ireland's ultra-conservative post-Christmas public health strategy.

Assuming our illustrious leaders don't concoct a way to cock it up.

I assume you mean that we'll be on the green list in other countries.

Not wishing to sound smart, but that's little consolation if we're still held captive by a 2k fine :pac::p

dublin_paul · 19-05-2021 12:57PM

Ray Donovan wrote: »

How would one go about getting proof a previous infection that would work for travel does anyone know?

+1 Also interested in this. Though I presume you have to have recovered within 3 months

stephenjmcd · 19-05-2021 01:03PM

Tazz T wrote: »

https://www.thelocal.de/20210519/eu-agrees-to-open-borders-to-vaccinated-tourists-from-outside-bloc-2/

No date for when it comes into effect. So what is Leo on about when he talks about extending the ban on travel?

Travel is back before cabinet next week according to the independent

19-05-2021 01:11PM

Del Griffith wrote: »

Presumably they mean that if the Irish government policies are so unreasonable that they force people to side step them and travel through Belfast, that'll they'll end up ignoring all of the policies instead of just the overbearing ones.

An unfortunate yet highly predictable side effect of over legislating draconian laws on people.

Much like closing pubs when groups of 6 were allowed with restrictions, we saw groups of 100 gathering outside drinking, following no restrictions at all.

Basically if (when) the Government lose the room, people won't just ignore certain rules, they'll ignore them all.

This is just you trying to justify the breaking of the rules because you see fit. You're no better than the minsters who attended golfgate or the travellers with the marquee last week. You can dress it up as the government being unreasonable all you want, but it's just plain old selfishness, really. Rules for thee, not for me. I mean, that's fine and all, but lets not try to dress it up as some sort of mass revolt at 'draconian' laws......it's really just selfish individuals trying to circumnavigate the laws for their own personal gain. The irony is, the more that goes on then the longer the restrictions will be in place.

lcstress2012 wrote: »

If worst comes to worst and this non essential travel is still here with mandatory quarantine then I’ll head to Spain through Belfast so there’s no need to quarantine! Hopefully I can get away in august!!

Valhallapt wrote: »

Very true. I have spent the last 18 months abiding by all the rules. The 2k fine is disproportionate, I’ll go via Belfast and ignore the government from now on.

lcstress2012 wrote: »

I’m sorry I must of got confused writing the post! Obviously no quarantine needed from Spain but to avoid the non essential €2k fine I’ll travel from Belfast.

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

Legally, you're entirely correct. From a practical point of view, the more people see laws as over the top or unfair, the more likely they are to ignore them or try to find ways around them.

Here are multiple posters in this thread alone talking about flouting the rules (some of them don't even understand the rules), many of whom are trying to frame it as a "the people have had enough....fight da powah!!" struggle against a fascist state. In reality, they are flouting laws meant to protect themselves and others. Like listening to a load of drink drivers claiming a couple of pints is grand

lcstress2012 wrote: »

You don’t need to quarantine if you travel from Belfast. It’s not on the MHQ list anymore?

Not true

dalyboy wrote: »

Just awaiting the UK (and N.I) to reciprocate this gesture from Italy and all bets are off. Belfast airport here I come..

I hope these positive movements within the EU regarding countries opening up to foreign tourists is causing our government/anti travel brigade some sleepless nights.

We are close to the finish line for reinstatement of our right to international travel thankfully

Show me one person who's a member of the "anti-travel brigade". This again is more mental gymnastics, trying to say that those who think the rules should be followed are fascists who want to impose their will on everyone else. The poster who responded to you mentioned "lockdown lovers" also. Pathetic, childish name calling, which shouldn't be allowed.

I'm gonna start calling you all rat-lickers, see how far that gets me.

CruelSummer · 19-05-2021 01:32PM

So RTÉ are still giving airtime to ISAG on national radio, in relation to all things Covid, including our travel policy why? What has Aoife McLysaght got to do with travel policy here? OR even Covid for that matter? What are her qualifications to be given a national platform on this. Claire Byrne's shameful support of this group needs to be reeled in and investigated.

Tomás Ryan has been on an ISAG video this morning stating he has NO DATA but that Covid could cause Autism in pregnant women...total scaremongering.

fm · 19-05-2021 01:39PM

Tazz T wrote: »

https://www.thelocal.de/20210519/eu-agrees-to-open-borders-to-vaccinated-tourists-from-outside-bloc-2/

No date for when it comes into effect. So what is Leo on about when he talks about extending the ban on travel?

It has to be the 2k fine, sounding like it will be here until August the 2nd?they will extend it every month

fm · 19-05-2021 01:41PM

CruelSummer wrote: »

So RTÉ are still giving airtime to ISAG on national radio, in relation to all things Covid, including our travel policy why? What has Aoife McLysaght got to do with travel policy here? OR even Covid for that matter? What are her qualifications to be given a national platform on this. Claire Byrne's shameful support of this group needs to be reeled in and investigated.

Tomás Ryan has been on an ISAG video this morning stating he has NO DATA but that Covid could cause Autism in pregnant women...total scaremongering.

They must be cheap, Cooper loved them and Dunphy also, he loves Ryan more than wes houlihan

CruelSummer · 19-05-2021 01:48PM

fm wrote: »

They must be cheap, Cooper loved them and Dunphy also, he loves Ryan more than wes houlihan

Aoife also stated that her view (ISAG's view) was no International travel should take place until 80% of the whole population are vaccinated, including children. Mentions Sept / Oct - smacks of desperation of the highest order to try and keep our borders closed. Claire Byrne was not impartial in this interview whatsoever and kept interrupting Tim Dooley when he tried to highlight the fact vaccinations work against variants, Europe are reopening and other valid points.

How many air routes and jobs would be gone by then and for what?

gozunda · 19-05-2021 01:57PM

Valhallapt wrote: »

Very true. I have spent the last 18 months abiding by all the rules. The 2k fine is disproportionate, I’ll go via Belfast and ignore the government from now on.

Disproportionate to what exactly?

You're not special in anyway. The absolute majority of people have spent the last 18 months sticking to the rules

The 2000 euro fine is there atm to discourage all non essential travel whilst Ireland gets its vaccination rate to its designated target with the objective of herd immunity.

"But me holidays whaaaa ..."

Is it really such a big bloody ask in the midst of a pandemic?

Eitherway from what I'm reading about the idea of a Belfast bolthole - is not going to be that simple. But no matter...

normanoffside · 19-05-2021 01:58PM

dublin_paul wrote: »

+1 Also interested in this. Though I presume you have to have recovered within 3 months

6 months is the rule for now (might be extended once they prove immunity is more long term).
No Idea how you get proof but I assume government will have to bring in a certificate which would provide such proof.

Valhallapt · 19-05-2021 02:01PM

gozunda wrote: »

Disproportionate to what exactly?

You're not special in anyway. The absolute majority of people have spent the last 18 months sticking to the rules

The 2000 euro fine is there atm to discourage all non essential travel whilst Ireland gets its vaccination rate to its designated target with the objective of herd immunity.

"But me holidays whaaaa ..."

Is it really such a big bloody ask in the midst of a pandemic?

Eitherway from what I'm reading about the idea of a Belfast bolthole - is not going to be that simple. But no matter...

It’s disproportionate to every other state in the EU. My right to travel to my second home is prevented because I am in Ireland. If I was in Any other state in the EU I would be allowed to travel to my second home.

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