Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XI *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

suicide_circus wrote: »

Government extend extraordinary powers til November. Fab.

That is not good.

So we're basically locking down again come Autumn/Winter ?

Christ better make the use of our release this summer then

Banana Republic 1 wrote: »

Agh cool your jets!

Don't need to, they've done that for me.

Silentcorner wrote: »

You can only really compare Florida to California, similarities in population density and climate.

Like comparing North Dakota to South Dakota.

In Europe we have different trajectories, and within Europe it is different again.

You've got no idea? But you alluded to a completely fabricated accusation....why are Americans flocking to Florida? Are they idiots? The only threat to the Governor is what way those new residents will vote given where they are flocking from.

Florida: Population 21.5M Covid deaths 36,139. 1,680 deaths per million.
California: Population 39.5M Covid deaths 62,687. 1,567 deaths per million.
Florida has had 113 more deaths per million that California. For their population of 21.5M that equates to 2,440 more Covid deaths.

We do indeed have different trajectories in Europe. One that really stands out is in the area of a country you have mentioned Sweden.
Sweden with its three neighbours Norway, Finland and Denmark are referred to as the Nordic states.

Norway, Finland & Denmark: Combined population 16.6M Covid deaths 4206. 253 Covid deaths per million.
Sweden: Population 10.38M. Covid deaths 14,301. 1,378 Covid deaths per million.
545% more deaths per million than the other 3 combined.

Norway, Finland & Denmark used lockdown. Sweden played around with natural herd immunity and light restrictions until it was too late.

pjohnson wrote: »

Ionannidis seems to have gotten his degree from Walmart Medical School.

If anyone this side of the pond produced those numbers he'd be ridiculed every hour.



He must be responsible for the confusion between vaccination and natural herd immunity.

Ionannidis at least has that in common with Florida.
Mathematics was not their strong point in the past and it doesn`t seem to have changed much since.

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Once again you jump to conclusions

Im not the only one

It's quite scary and unsettling how fast they can close stuff and implement lockdowns. The panic button could be hit when a natural rise in numbers after the summer and we go back into lockdown for Halloween and christmas 2021 to protect the hospitals

Silentcorner wrote: »

I said Florida fared about average...there was no avoiding this virus, Florida avoided massive economic damage not to mention allowing their citizens enjoy a very near normal, unlike other States who imposed severe restrictions on their citizens and didn't fare any better.

Average for where? The US perhaps. Florida has had consistently high case numbers.

Also of interest Florida is one of the leading states in the US with cases of the highly transmissible B.1.1.7 variant amongst others and remains in the top 10 US states where coronavirus is spreading the fastest on a per-person basis.

That said Florida has had plenty of restrictions despite DeSantis shouting about having none. Restrictions included everything from school, to business closures to beaches being closed. More have only been recently rolled back.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/florida-governor-lifts-all-covid-19-restrictions-1.5412886

And some remain

https://www.palmbeachpost.com/story/news/coronavirus/2021/05/14/which-covid-19-restrictions-still-active-florida-cdc-desantis/5091745001/

charlie14 wrote: »

For their population of 21.5M that equates to 2,440 more Covid deaths.

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Wait a minute, you think 2,440 lives, most of whom will be in a demographic of people who are aged with compromised immune systems out of a population of over 20 million people, is making a case for hard lock downs like California?

Isn't Florida the state where Americans retire to?

This thread:

Retail finally opens, actual relaxation of restrictions: barely gets a mention.

Proposal tabled to extend government powers that's entirely contingent on certain things that may or may not happen in the future - which aren't guaranteed - and hopefully will never have to be used: let's get worked up about that future possibility.

I believe they call that scaremongering.

Silentcorner wrote: »

Wait a minute, you think 2,440 lives, most of whom will be in a demographic of people who are aged with compromised immune systems out of a population of over 20 million people, is making a case for hard lock downs like California?

Isn't Florida the state where Americans retire to?

I thought the naturally acquired herd immunity advocates had the easy answers to the to the aged, or indeed anyone with compromised immunity ?

charlie14 wrote: »

I thought the naturally acquired herd immunity advocates had the easy answers to the to the aged, or indeed anyone with compromised immunity ?

Who said anyone had easy answers?

This was always going to be a difficult virus to cope with...not surprisingly experts in the field have different opinions on what the best course of action is!!

Are you ever going to get around to making a formidable argument to support the hypothesis that hard lock downs are actually worth it? Given the cost to all of us, and the massive increase in waiting lists, are we even allowed to ask?

Hi I can't find the thread but when will 40 yesr old be able to get the vax? , it was on radio this week or next can't confirm though