Are we there yet? Your second Travel Megathread (threadbans in OP}

Hilzabeaatch · 18-05-2021 03:43PM

mmclo wrote: »

Aren't they using the ECDC maps to determine risk, and they used to list the risk regions but I may be out of date

EDIT: yes think I follow but they don't make it easy!

Yes it is confusing and to make it more interesting reopen EU website (ECDC) classifies ireland into 3 areas and the RKI has at least 5 areas, one is just entitled "Border"...?
But basically most ppl in Ireland live in a risk area according to the RKI right now. RKI equals Robert Koch Institute.

Claiomh · 18-05-2021 03:43PM

Hilzabeaatch wrote: »

It's a bit buried in that site. See this paragraph:

The requirement to quarantine applies to arrivals from risk areas and high incidence areas until proof of full vaccination, recovery from an infection or a negative test result is submitted via the entry portal of the Federal Republic of Germany (www.einreiseanmeldung.de)

But this media report explains it. Basically you are required to quarantine but you can immediately free yourself if you arrived from a risk area with a recent negative antigen test.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.dw.com/en/germany-classifies-uk-coronavirus-risk-region/a-57532159

That report is about the UK but the info applies to all risk areas of which ireland used to be one. I actually think ireland might be off the risk list? Or at least most of it is.
I should note you need a negative antigen test to get on a plane to Germany from anywhere.

Thats very interesting - I wasn't aware of the recent changes so thanks for informing me! They certainly don't make it easy to find. Regarding risk areas, most of Ireland is off the list, but Dublin, Border, and Mid East are still classified as risks areas, and if you fill in the form at https://www.einreiseanmeldung.de/ the requirement to self quarantine still appears. Certainly not as straightforward as it could be..

Van.Bosch · 18-05-2021 03:57PM

Gavan Reilly reporting

“Cabinet has agreed in principle to renew the various Covid-19 emergency powers (including MHQ) until November 9th. Previous laws all had a subset clause which would have seen them expire in June. Will require new primary legislation with Dáil and Seanad approval”

That allows/requires the fine to remain? Or is that different legislation?

Meself · 18-05-2021 03:58PM

Marcusm wrote: »

Do you mean that they are ordinarily resident in NI. If that is the case then they are not currently subject to the €2k fine for outbound travel via an Irish airport.

Yeh, ordinary resident in NI. They are travelling to Lanzarote. Flights are better from Dublin.

Like another poster said.. crystal ball as to whether the Irish Gov will open up.

Think they are going to take the chance all bring well on the Spanish side.

Skippette · 18-05-2021 04:00PM

Van.Bosch wrote: »

Gavan Reilly reporting

“Cabinet has agreed in principle to renew the various Covid-19 emergency powers (including MHQ) until November 9th. Previous laws all had a subset clause which would have seen them expire in June. Will require new primary legislation with Dáil and Seanad approval”

That allows/requires the fine to remain? Or is that different legislation?

Please tell me you're ****ting me! I was full sure the fine would be gone when the digital green cert came in and MHQ would be gone for EU countries.

Swear to God, I will crack!!

gozunda · 18-05-2021 04:04PM

Wallander wrote: »

Wales, which I think is a little ahead of the rest of the UK on vaccinations, had just over 30 Covid cases today with over 60% Ireland's population size. 7-day average of cases below 50.

https://www.rhyljournal.co.uk/news/19310633.just-three-new-cases-covid-recorded-north-wales-today--/

There must be some nice walks around there at this time of year - just don't forget to quarantine when you come back!

Delighted Wales is doing well. Hopefully people there are sticking with their own restrictions.

But aside from that - do you honestly believe anyone who seems happy to disregard current restrictions for lets say - a couple of days of shopping and a couple of pints (ie non essential travel) are going to be arsed having to bother with 'hysteria' such as quarantine at home / self isolation for 14 days on their return?

Maybe I'm just sceptical but imho like fuq they will ...

Hilzabeaatch · 18-05-2021 04:08PM

Claiomh wrote: »

Thats very interesting - I wasn't aware of the recent changes so thanks for informing me! They certainly don't make it easy to find. Regarding risk areas, most of Ireland is off the list, but Dublin, Border, and Mid East are still classified as risks areas, and if you fill in the form at https://www.einreiseanmeldung.de/ the requirement to self quarantine still appears. Certainly not as straightforward as it could be..

You are welcome! The German media is covering the relaxation in rules if you speak German. It happened in the last week or so I think.

eltonyio · 18-05-2021 04:09PM

Skippette wrote: »

Please tell me you're ****ting me! I was full sure the fine would be gone when the digital green cert came in and MHQ would be gone for EU countries.

Swear to God, I will crack!!

His next tweet:

For clarity: this doesn’t mean all current regulations remain in place until November. This is extending the sunset clause so Govt can continue issuing whatever Covid-19 regulations it sees fit - face masks, mass gatherings, travel, etc. Otherwise all powers would lapse in June

Chuck Norris 2021 · 18-05-2021 04:15PM

eltonyio wrote: »

His next tweet:

It'll be interesting to see how they approach this, and when they do it. It may give us a sneak preview of what'll expire in June. To be fair, MHQ will be required for some time to come, until things in the developing world settle down. I think everyone needs to be ready for a lot of false reporting of this, and headlines about no holidays until November etc out of this. The Irish media will have a field day.

LeeroyJ. · 18-05-2021 04:18PM

Draconian emergency Covid-19 powers have been extended by Cabinet until 9 November.

https://twitter.com/hughescraig90/status/1394682637978112006?s=19

18-05-2021 04:19PM

Meself wrote: »

Yeh, ordinary resident in NI. They are travelling to Lanzarote. Flights are better from Dublin.

Like another poster said.. crystal ball as to whether the Irish Gov will open up.

Think they are going to take the chance all bring well on the Spanish side.

They will be subject to the 2k fine then at Dublin airport.

Spain is allowing people in at the moment with a pcr I think. Certainly didn't ask me for my reason to travel

Claiomh · 18-05-2021 04:23PM

Hilzabeaatch wrote: »

You are welcome! The German media is covering the relaxation in rules if you speak German. It happened in the last week or so I think.

Yes, it seems to have come into force in the last week or so. I managed to find the relevant paragraph buried deep in the https://www.bundesgesundheitsministerium.de/ website. The German text is far clearer that the English one. Good to know as regards travel in the near future!

stephenjmcd · 18-05-2021 04:24PM

LeeroyJ. wrote: »

Draconian emergency Covid-19 powers have been extended by Cabinet until 9 November.

https://twitter.com/hughescraig90/status/1394682637978112006?s=19

Well that's a complete over reaction from that journalist. Clearly doesn't understand what it actually means.

It just means the government can bring in new SI if required. SI still lapse on their date and require to be signed in again. This means government can sign in said SI where required

josip · 18-05-2021 04:25PM

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

They will be subject to the 2k fine then at Dublin airport.

Spain is allowing people in at the moment with a pcr I think. Certainly didn't ask me for my reason to travel

What normally happens in that case if someone resident in another jurisdiction doesn't pay the fine?
Do they hand it over to a NI debt collector to pursue it?
Do they bring it all the way to court, NI person doesn't show up, are they then liable to be arrested if they ever pop up on the Guards radar when in the republic?

Corholio · 18-05-2021 04:29PM

The extension is just the overall umbrella of powers. An extension of that was fully expected I would have thought. The measures we all discuss and argue are just individual pieces of that, they can and will all have different 'end' dates.

CruelSummer · 18-05-2021 04:37PM

So Aerlingus are PERMANENTLY closing its Shannon base. Despite it being used regularly for transatlantic flights in the past and pre clearance to the US existing at this airport. Cork airport also suffering.

Where are our #wecanbezero opposition? They’re awfully quiet this afternoon.
Tim Dooley FF TD is ‘shocked’ Aer Lingus have come to this decision. It’s hardly that €2000 fine making it illegal to travel, mandatory hotel quarantine, and the vilification of travel from media & politicians that has now resulted in these job losses after all.
Meanwhile the government shelved their cabinet meeting re travel today. Great stuff altogether.

M_Murphy57 · 18-05-2021 04:45PM

CruelSummer wrote: »

So Aerlingus are PERMANENTLY closing its Shannon base. Despite it being used regularly for transatlantic flights in the past and pre clearance to the US existing at this airport. Cork airport also suffering.

Where are our #wecanbezero opposition? They’re awfully quiet this afternoon.
Tim Dooley FF TD is ‘shocked’ Aer Lingus have come to this decision. It’s hardly that €2000 fine making it illegal to travel, mandatory hotel quarantine, and the vilification of travel from media & politicians that has now resulted in these job losses after all.
Meanwhile the government shelved their cabinet meeting re travel today. Great stuff altogether.

100% this.

Valhallapt · 18-05-2021 04:50PM

CruelSummer wrote: »

So Aerlingus are PERMANENTLY closing its Shannon base. Despite it being used regularly for transatlantic flights in the past and pre clearance to the US existing at this airport. Cork airport also suffering.

Where are our #wecanbezero opposition? They’re awfully quiet this afternoon.
Tim Dooley FF TD is ‘shocked’ Aer Lingus have come to this decision. It’s hardly that €2000 fine making it illegal to travel, mandatory hotel quarantine, and the vilification of travel from media & politicians that has now resulted in these job losses after all.
Meanwhile the government shelved their cabinet meeting re travel today. Great stuff altogether.

I built my previous business on the back of cheap flights into the continent. I’d hate to be a business trying to sell into the continent now or in the next couple of years, paddy won’t be able to attend in person to pitch as the government forced all the airlines out of the country.

18-05-2021 04:51PM

josip wrote: »

What normally happens in that case if someone resident in another jurisdiction doesn't pay the fine?
Do they hand it over to a NI debt collector to pursue it?
Do they bring it all the way to court, NI person doesn't show up, are they then liable to be arrested if they ever pop up on the Guards radar when in the republic?

Don't be asking logical questions and pointing out obvious flaws.

You can't summons a person from another jurisdiction in practice and the state don't enjoy debt collectors

Lumen · 18-05-2021 04:54PM

CruelSummer wrote: »

So Aerlingus are PERMANENTLY closing its Shannon base.

I don't think that's right.

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/transport-and-tourism/up-to-130-aer-lingus-jobs-to-go-as-airline-closes-shannon-base-1.4568363

Aer Lingus said that the “cumulative impact” of the crisis over the last 15 months required immediate action.

These “include the permanent closure of the Aer Lingus cabin crew base at Shannon airport [and] the temporary closure of the Aer Lingus base at Cork airport from September until late November 2021,” the airline added.
...
Aer Lingus told Tánaiste Leo Varadkar that Shannon had been inefficient and out of line with the market for a significant period of time.

Is it possible that IAG is pulling a fast one w.r.t labour relations, and pushing through a restructuring of where its workers are based under cover of COVID?

I'm no fan of the travel restrictions btw, I just trust airlines about as much as I trust politicians.

edit: screw all that, reading comprehension fail, I see it's different stories for Cork and Shannon. Nonetheless, does closure of the cabin crew base mean no transatlantic flights to/from Shannon? That seems unlikely.

Skygord · 18-05-2021 05:04PM

Skippette wrote: »

Please tell me you're ****ting me! I was full sure the fine would be gone when the digital green cert came in and MHQ would be gone for EU countries.

Swear to God, I will crack!!

I'd say they're just extending the legislative cover (the Statutory Instruments) that were due to expire. That allows them to continue/reintroduce MHQ if needed, but I'm sure it'll be relaxed/gone soon enough for countries with good case & vaccination numbers.

jimmycrackcorm · 18-05-2021 05:12PM

There's a significant debate about the ongoing viability for long-distance travel in the future because of the impact of the pandemic worldwide. The financial impact on airlines may mean less competition and raised prices and likely reduced routes for years to come. This is probably an example of what is to come, even with the post-vaccine opening up of the USA and Europe, the flight travel scene is going to change.

saabsaab · 18-05-2021 05:44PM

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

There's a significant debate about the ongoing viability for long-distance travel in the future because of the impact of the pandemic worldwide. The financial impact on airlines may mean less competition and raised prices and likely reduced routes for years to come. This is probably an example of what is to come, even with the post-vaccine opening up of the USA and Europe, the flight travel scene is going to change.

Much of this change was coming anyway same as pub closures and business not reopening. Interesting that Dublin wasn't affected, yet.

CruelSummer · 18-05-2021 05:59PM

saabsaab wrote: »

Much of this change was coming anyway same as pub closures and business not reopening. Interesting that Dublin wasn't affected, yet.

Are you suggesting air travel was ‘changing anyway’? Or were major world airlines not profitable anymore? Genuine question.
FYI, take a look at flight radar. Ireland is unique in the EU and US with their approach to air travel. Despite the fact we’re an island now isolated from the EU due to Brexit. We need more connectivity than ever and not less.

KanyeSouthEast · 18-05-2021 06:01PM

saabsaab wrote: »

Much of this change was coming anyway same as pub closures and business not reopening. Interesting that Dublin wasn't affected, yet.

What change was coming in the airline sector? Wishful thinking on your behalf maybe. Tell that to the people losing their jobs this evening and the knock on effects to a whole region. We’re all in this together, hold firm, stay safe!

saabsaab · 18-05-2021 06:07PM

KanyeSouthEast wrote: »

What change was coming in the airline sector? Wishful thinking on your behalf maybe. Tell that to the people losing their jobs this evening and the knock on effects to a whole region. We’re all in this together, hold firm, stay safe!

Very sad for those involved but Shannon was under threat already. Other sectors like Pubs and B&B's have and will suffer. Little to do with MHQ or our reaction to it. I mean that if we ignored the virus we would still be badly affected and the rest of the world would have restricted travel or closed down as they did anyway.

Golfman64 · 18-05-2021 06:15PM

saabsaab wrote: »

Much of this change was coming anyway same as pub closures and business not reopening. Interesting that Dublin wasn't affected, yet.

Irrespective of whether it was coming or not, it doesn't change the fact that we are an outlier in Europe with regards to travel. We have so far:

been the worst affected country in terms of the overall reduction in flight volumes in the EU
the only EU country to impose MHG on EU citizens
the only EU country to have absolutely no plan for when outbound non-essential travel can restart
the only EU country to have absolutely no plan as to when we will allow inbound tourism to recommence
one of the few governments within the EU to refuse to recognise the use and value of antigen tests to further enable more travel

The list goes on...

I find it fascinating that so many of the zero covid loons and anti travel brigade are actually state employees of some form whose salary is guaranteed irrespective of the economic situation of Ireland. Of course, these folk are entitled to their own opinion but what makes this all so much worse is a weak and inept FF government who are pandering to this nonsense.

saabsaab · 18-05-2021 06:23PM

Antigen test aren't that reliable.

18-05-2021 06:25PM

Golfman64 wrote: »

Irrespective of whether it was coming or not, it doesn't change the fact that we are an outlier in Europe with regards to travel. We have so far:
been the worst affected country in terms of the overall reduction in flight volumes in the EU

the only EU country to impose MHG on EU citizens

the only EU country to have absolutely no plan for when outbound non-essential travel can restart

the only EU country to have absolutely no plan as to when we will allow inbound tourism to recommence

one of the few governments within the EU to refuse to recognise the use and value of antigen tests to further enable more travel

The list goes on...

I find it fascinating that so many of the zero covid loons and anti travel brigade are actually state employees of some form whose salary is guaranteed irrespective of the economic situation of Ireland. Of course, these folk are entitled to their own opinion but what makes this all so much worse is a weak and inept FF government who are pandering to this nonsense.

A, we are an island. We are the most reliant country as well. The other countries aren't as reliant on air and sea connections so that was obviously going to happen.

B, that's mhq I assume, if so then not true. We might be the only country STILL doing so but others did do it at various stages. This has been discussed many times in this thread already.

C, no, I don't think that's accurate. Plenty of countries have no set in stone plans and dates. Do any actually have definitive dates? Would be great if they do.

D, as per C

E, I don't know. What countries accept antigen in place of pcr or lamp? Works be great if it was more widely accepted.

That state employees, ie essential staff as I would suggest this entire event has shown, have been working away while many claimed 300 euro to watch Netflix. If you found yourself expendable, that's on you and your career choices. There's zero need to start that mud slinging.

KanyeSouthEast · 18-05-2021 06:25PM

saabsaab wrote: »

Antigen test aren't that reliable.

And the rest of the points made?

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