Sam Bennett - no same day spoilers

breezy1985 · 17-05-2021 05:37PM

I wouldn't be sure that Bennett is leaving for more money. More that DQS need to trim to keep Remco and Ala

Dodge · 17-05-2021 05:50PM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

MK has signed a contract extension anyway so he won't be following Sam to wherever he is going for the money.

Morkov doesn’t win races so his *only* consideration is money

He’s great at his job, but the idea he’s in for the love of his team mates winning and not money is ridiculous

wirelessdude01 · 17-05-2021 06:56PM

Dodge wrote: »

Morkov doesn’t win races so his *only* consideration is money

He’s great at his job, but the idea he’s in for the love of his team mates winning and not money is ridiculous

Point I'm making is that he won't be following whatever money trail Sam is following.

Dodge · 17-05-2021 07:04PM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Point I'm making is that he won't be following whatever money trail Sam is following.

I understood your point. It’s just weird to see you bring up money as a reason for one cyclist to sign somewhere but not another

They all make their own decisions and do what’s best for themselves

iffandonlyif · 17-05-2021 07:09PM

CramCycle wrote: »

I would disagree as well because the simple fact is that Morkov on his own is a beast of a sprinter, and if he wasn't leading anyone out, he would be contending for the win in many scenarios.

Didn’t people say the same about Mark Renshaw when he was leading out Cavendish? It didn’t exactly work out for him when he moved to Rabobank.

breezy1985 · 17-05-2021 07:25PM

iffandonlyif wrote: »

Didn’t people say the same about Mark Renshaw when he was leading out Cavendish? It didn’t exactly work out for him when he moved to Rabobank.

They did say the same about Greipel and Cav too and we're right

Junior · 18-05-2021 09:43AM

on_the_nickel wrote: »

I wonder if Remco changes that. They've given him a contract like no-one's ever seen and Lefevere won't have done that without significant money coming in from Belgian backers. He's got to keep them happy, and he seems to have changed strategy lately, bringing in a lot of very decent climbers. There's already the makings of a GC team with Almeida, Masnada, Serry, Vansavenant, Cavagna, Knox, not to mention Alaphilippe, Asgreen, and Lampaert.

It's hard to maintain a squad that can compete in the classics and grand tours, and carry a top quality sprinter and lead out without having a massive budget.

I worry Sam might go to Ineos. He's good mates with Dunbar, McQuaid is cosy with Ineos management, and I think they like to have top Irish riders to lessen the sh!t they get from Irish people on social media (me included).

Almedia is gone. Cavagna is out of contract, and has already been in talks with Cofidis.

Sky as it was, had to have Irish and Italian Riders on the Roster as part of their marketing strategy. How that fairs out with Big Jim on board now I don't know.

Macy0161 · 18-05-2021 09:50AM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Point I'm making is that he won't be following whatever money trail Sam is following.

Best lead out man in the sport still wouldn't command the same money as one of the best sprinters.

Morkov also has to consider whether he's allowed focus on the track as well as the road.

I still wouldn't rule out this being game playing by Lefevere - there's been zero out of anyone connected to Sam, has there? Morkov renewing is another possibly part of the game of convincing him to stay. Sam has definitely been going big on Specialized on instagram the last couple of weeks...

on_the_nickel · 18-05-2021 12:06PM

Junior wrote: »

Almedia is gone. Cavagna is out of contract, and has already been in talks with Cofidis.

Sky as it was, had to have Irish and Italian Riders on the Roster as part of their marketing strategy. How that fairs out with Big Jim on board now I don't know.

Completely forgot about Almeida! The point still stands, maybe to a slightly lesser degree, DQS have morphed into more of a grand tour GC team over the last couple of years and they've got to back Remco.

Junior · 18-05-2021 12:09PM

on_the_nickel wrote: »

Completely forgot about Almeida! The point still stands, maybe to a slightly lesser degree, DQS have morphed into more of a grand tour GC team over the last couple of years and they've got to back Remco.

Oh for sure, and look the interesting thing comes in a year or two's time, if or when Remco want's a tilt at the Tdf, how does Pat compensate a GC challenge with wanting a Sprinter.

He has been through all this before with Mapei, but Remco is the Golden Golden boy. Pat has even given him his apartment in Monaco.

Daroxtar · 18-05-2021 01:41PM

I have feeling the green jersey battle in the TDF will be a real humdinger. Sagan beginning to show good form, Ewan will be there in the sprints in the early stages at least, Demare too. Sam will have a real fight on his hands to get points.

corelokttikka · 18-05-2021 03:23PM

Daroxtar wrote: »

I have feeling the green jersey battle in the TDF will be a real humdinger. Sagan beginning to show good form, Ewan will be there in the sprints in the early stages at least, Demare too. Sam will have a real fight on his hands to get points.

Looks like it with Sagan climbing very well. He knows he can’t beat Sam in a straight up sprint whereas Ewan can sometimes but I can’t see him climbing as good as Sam over 3 weeks.

CramCycle · 18-05-2021 03:37PM

corelokttikka wrote: »

Looks like it with Sagan climbing very well. He knows he can’t beat Sam in a straight up sprint whereas Ewan can sometimes but I can’t see him climbing as good as Sam over 3 weeks.

I can't see Bora pulling that type of a win of multiple times over a tour at the minute. It was brilliant tactically but the effort that went into it would be unsustainable and would easily be matched by DQS tailing them in the TdF.

Dodge · 18-05-2021 03:51PM

They did it last year in the Tour and distanced Sam and I think Sagan finished 5th on the stage

Not to diminish his win yesterday but the Tour brings out a higher level of sprinter

Sagan won a couple of green jerseys just because no one else tried for it. Last year even DQT didn’t aim for it until a couple of stages in.

Maybe Ewan will fancy going for it this year. Who knows

dahat · 18-05-2021 04:05PM

Is Sagan even going to the Tour this year?

breezy1985 · 18-05-2021 05:24PM

Dodge wrote: »

They did it last year in the Tour and distanced Sam and I think Sagan finished 5th on the stage

Not to diminish his win yesterday but the Tour brings out a higher level of sprinter

Sagan won a couple of green jerseys just because no one else tried for it. Last year even DQT didn’t aim for it until a couple of stages in.

Maybe Ewan will fancy going for it this year. Who knows

A couple. It was 7 in fairness

Seth Brundle · 18-05-2021 06:05PM

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gman2k · 18-05-2021 09:54PM

Macy0161 wrote: »

Sam has definitely been going big on Specialized on instagram the last couple of weeks...

Sam is simply fulfilling contractual obligations.
I.E. he is paid to praise his team's sponsors on social media.

Dodge · 19-05-2021 01:15AM

breezy1985 wrote: »

A couple. It was 7 in fairness

He won 7 yeah but a couple of them no one tried to beat him was my point. He was about 200 points clear of his nearest competitor

Now he had earned that ‘respect’ by his earlier performances. They effectively thought they couldn’t beat him so didn’t try

I didn’t mean to come across as knocking Sagan so apologies if that was the case. He’s one of my favourite cyclists of the last 10 years or so

But he doesn’t have the level of sprint he used to have. That’s all I meant by it

Macy0161 · 19-05-2021 08:51AM

Lefevere doubled down on Sam leaving in one of the articles that I read on Quick Step extending anyway.

breezy1985 · 19-05-2021 09:55AM

Dodge wrote: »

He won 7 yeah but a couple of them no one tried to beat him was my point. He was about 200 points clear of his nearest competitor

Now he had earned that ‘respect’ by his earlier performances. They effectively thought they couldn’t beat him so didn’t try

I didn’t mean to come across as knocking Sagan so apologies if that was the case. He’s one of my favourite cyclists of the last 10 years or so

But he doesn’t have the level of sprint he used to have. That’s all I meant by it

Ah fair enough

ednwireland · 19-05-2021 10:13AM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Point I'm making is that he won't be following whatever money trail Sam is following.

sam's 30 so who could blame him, although if hes leaving dcq it could only be because they arent backing him s no 1 sprinter.

Weepsie wrote: »

I'm going to presume this is available in "Libby" the new app for magazines in local libraries.

yep available on pressreader on the online login as well, had a quick read last night

Mr. Cats · 19-05-2021 12:43PM

Could it just be DCQ aren’t planning to bring a sprinter to Tour in 2022 as they’re going to focus team around Evenepoel for GC? If they’re going for GC then likely stage victories and whole sprint train less important.

This would mean that Sam is not as valuable to them as his ‘market rate’ and so you might expect him to move to get paid what he’s ‘worth’ from a team hunting stage wins at Tour.

corelokttikka · 20-05-2021 07:54AM

Well they might change their minds after seeing Remco in the Giro so far. I’d say they will be targeting green again in the Tour.

breezy1985 · 20-05-2021 08:09AM

corelokttikka wrote: »

Well they might change their minds after seeing Remco in the Giro so far. I’d say they will be targeting green again in the Tour.

Alaphillipe has pulled out of the Olympics so Ide say a shot at yellow is still on too

Junior · 20-05-2021 09:09AM

breezy1985 wrote: »

Alaphillipe has pulled out of the Olympics so Ide say a shot at yellow is still on too

His Missus is due her first baby, hence why he pulled out of the Olympics, so if he was dropping out of the Tour early for the Olympics, he still might do it, to be there for his first kid.

breezy1985 · 20-05-2021 09:18AM

Junior wrote: »

His Missus is due her first baby, hence why he pulled out of the Olympics, so if he was dropping out of the Tour early for the Olympics, he still might do it, to be there for his first kid.

Maybe. I had just assumed his decision was logistics I didn't know about the baby

Mefistofelino · 20-05-2021 09:31AM

Might be both - why put all your focus on the Olympics when there is a possibility it may not even take place.

Mr. Cats · 20-05-2021 10:00AM

corelokttikka wrote: »

I’d say they will be targeting green again in the Tour.

I think in 2022 if they are going for yellow (if!) then they won’t go for green as well.

De Bhál · 21-05-2021 09:51AM

Procycling Magazine's June 2021 front cover

Sam Bennett - no same day spoilers

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