Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XI *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

Graham wrote: »

No, they haven't.

Which probably contributed to cases dropping.

Yes they have, I live here ...

TomSweeney wrote: »

You can see what they are pushing here, the photo of the hero female scientist (beating all the patriarchal men) masked up should really give you a clue.

Spain have been doing indoor dining since January, it has had no effect, cases been dropping since ...

Also check the front page of wired - "The case for working from home FOREVER"!!!

they really are in a little cult.

Tbf and leaving aside the loquacious style of the article- the bit that hits home was the final overturn of WHOs dogmatic belief that "5 microns" was the limit of infection via areolised droplets

Many scientists had pointed out the sole advice of 'washing of hands and your safe' was hogwash early on in the pandemic.

Yet the WHO dug their heads in. Thankfuly that level of pigheadeness has been undone with the WHO now admiting the virus is airborne.

ON FRIDAY, APRIL 30, the WHO quietly updated a page on its website. In a section on how the coronavirus gets transmitted, the text now states that the virus can spread via aerosols as well as larger droplets

What we do know is that the virus can be airborne most importantly in poorly ventilated indoor environments.

And to go with that - Spain changed the rules about the numbers of diners permitted with strict limits being set eg < 30% capacity and that masks must be worn at all other times other than when diners are eating.

Atm in Spain face masks are obligatory at all times. That's indoors and outdoors. At bars cafés and restaurants it is mandated that you should wear the mask when you arrive and when you leave (also in bathroom)....While sitting at the table you may take it off only to eat or drink. As soon as you have finished you need to put it back on.

Edit: meant to add - is it not more correct to say in some areas of Spain indoor dining venues / restaurants were open in January?

https://english.elpais.com/economy_and_business/2021-02-02/spains-bars-and-restaurants-confront-their-darkest-hour.html

suicide_circus wrote: »

What was the science behind the €9.50 meal?

I don't believe there was any 'science' behind the €9.50 meal.

I'm convinced it was more of a legislation thing. Something to do with the Restaurant act of 1962/63 when in order to operate as a restaurant a licence was required and a substantial meal to the value of '1 pound 4 shillings and 6 pence' served (ok that's not accurate but I don't remember pre decimal and I'm not going looking for what the exact amount was).

Whatever the amount was back then equates to the magic number.. €9.50 today.

When restrictions were eased last year to allow restaurants open, those pubs who had a restaurant licence spoke up and demanded they be allowed open as well.

Governments hands were tied on this and had to concede providing said pubs complied with the €9.50 ruling.

My theory may not be without some holes but I think I'm in the right ballpark.

TomSweeney wrote: »

I saw in the BBC ticker yesterday that "If the Indian variant is 50/60% more transmissable the UK will have a "real problem""

On the other hand they were saying the vaccine works against it.

Now can someone explain to me what the "real problem" will be ? Right now the UK are in a really good place vaccination wise and this is continuing, what could this "big problem" be ?

Shrodingers vaccine. Simultaneously the answer and not the answer.

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Our relaxation today is bringing us closer to Frances “severe lockdown”

The end is in sight thankfully

Are we finished with our curfew today? Oh yeah, we didn't have one.
Lockdown finished when intercounty travel started up again.

Parachutes wrote: »

You seem positively enthralled by that.

Never real thought about it, is reality enthralling?

Graham wrote: »

Help hospitality businesses generate some turnover while reducing the risks of packed bars full of patrons with reduced inhibitions due to drink.

Indeed. Plus the time limits insured a constant stream of customers.

There wasn't many bars and restaurants arguing against it in my locality.

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

No we didn’t need a curfew, we just shut everything.

Thankfully as of 00:00 we aligned to have similar hospitality facilities reopen as the french always had

France still have a curfew and will continue to.

Also

French bars and restaurants have been closed since the end of October, when France started a second month-long nationwide lockdown, and did not reopen in December

Again this is extremely easy fact check.

gozunda wrote: »

Tbf and leaving aside the loquacious style of the article- the bit that hits home was the final overturn of WHOs dogmatic belief that "5 microns" was the limit of infection via areolised droplets

Many scientists had pointed out the sole advice of 'washing of hands and your safe' was hogwash early on in the pandemic.

Yet the WHO dug their heads in. Thankfuly that level of pigheadeness has been undone with the WHO now admiting the virus is airborne.



What we do know is that the virus can be airborne most importantly in poorly ventilated indoor environments.

And to go with that - Spain changed the rules about the numbers of diners permitted with strict limits being set eg < 30% capacity and that masks must be worn at all other times other than when diners are eating.



Edit: meant to add - is it not more correct to say in some areas of Spain indoor dining venues / restaurants were open in January?

https://english.elpais.com/economy_and_business/2021-02-02/spains-bars-and-restaurants-confront-their-darkest-hour.html

For me there was way too much of being all things to everybody, and not near enough health advice from the WHO throughout this pandemic.
Appointing Johan Giesecke to vice chair of the Strategic and Technical Advisory Group on Infectious Hazards where he became advisor to the Director-General on pandemic response doesn`t do them much credit either.

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

Indoor dining at lunchtime, whilst closed in the evenings (as in Catalunya as per Tom Sweeney's post above) would have been a difficult compromise to sell in Ireland, let alone this thread.

I can imagine the scathing posts about the magic virus that sleeps until 4pm before becoming deadly as evening time approaches.

They have also had a curfew since October and you needed 'permission slips' to be out and about.

Thread would have gone full Godwin.

Boggles wrote: »

They have also had a curfew since October and you needed 'permission slips' to be out and about.

Thread would have gone full Godwin.

The curfew was easy to break, everyone was doing it - discreetly of course, not driving about, but the metro still operated untill midnight.

https://english.elpais.com/society/2021-05-17/experts-explain-the-obstacles-still-ahead-on-the-road-to-normality-the-virus-will-not-disappear-so-fast-if-indeed-it-ever-does.html

Shifting of the goalposts again ...

new variants ..... need more people vaccinated to achieve herd immunity, masks never to go .... there is really a cohort of people that are just clinging on and on and never want this to end ...

TomSweeney wrote: »

https://english.elpais.com/society/2021-05-17/experts-explain-the-obstacles-still-ahead-on-the-road-to-normality-the-virus-will-not-disappear-so-fast-if-indeed-it-ever-does.html

Shifting of the goalposts again ...

new variants ..... need more people vaccinated to achieve herd immunity, masks never to go .... there is really a cohort of people that are just clinging on and on and never want this to end ...

I'm assuming you didn't read past the headlines?

It's actually worth a read if anyone wants, thanks for the share.