Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XI Read OP For Mod Warnings

gozunda · 16-05-2021 10:02PM

Parachutes wrote: »

Ah yeah that’s why all the restrictions made 100% sense and weren’t stupid at all like the covid knowing when you were having a burger and chips and not infecting you.

Well for one thing - none of that makes sense at all. But no worries. But if you think that burger and chip takeaways have been shut down over the last year - then no wonder

But yes other restrictions were based on helping to reduce the spread of infection through close contact etc.

Hate to say it , buts its really not that hard to figure out. And if you reckon restrictions here didn't make sense - then it'll blow your mind that similar restrictions were used in many many other countries. Go figure.

Parachutes · 16-05-2021 10:09PM

gozunda wrote: »

Well for one thing - none of that makes sense at all. But no worries. But if you think that burger and chip takeaways have been shut down over the last year - then no wonder

But yes other restrictions were based on helping to reduce the spread of infection through close contact etc.

Hate to say it , buts its really not that hard to figure out. And if you reckon restrictions here didn't make sense - then it'll blow your mind that similar restrictions were used in many many other countries. Go figure.

I’m talking about ‘substantial meals’ in pubs last summer. Not takeaways.

16-05-2021 10:27PM

Parachutes wrote: »

I’m talking about ‘substantial meals’ in pubs last summer. Not takeaways.

Absolutely and people went in and ordered food and then didn’t eat it. Heard some places were binning food big time.

Parachutes · 16-05-2021 10:31PM

gansi wrote: »

Absolutely and people went in and ordered food and then didn’t eat it. Heard some places were binning food big time.

Just one of many examples of stupid restrictions that didn’t make any sense.

FintanMcluskey · 16-05-2021 10:41PM

Parachutes wrote: »

Just one of many examples of stupid restrictions that didn’t make any sense.

Was there many deaths attributed to meals costing only €8.50?

Graham · 16-05-2021 10:50PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Was there many deaths attributed to meals costing only €8.50?

:rolleyes:

While restrictions are being relaxed and the vaccination program is progressing at a reasonable clip it's somewhat surprising to see last years "things nobody said" still being trotted out.

MOR316 · 17-05-2021 12:13AM

Planning a trip to America in October, all going well with vaccines.

**** it, time to start planning and thinking for a somewhat normal future. I feel anyways. No harm in it

Dempo1 · 17-05-2021 05:46AM

normanoffside wrote: »

The Gardai really need to stop posting this kind of nonsense

https://twitter.com/gardainfo/status/1393916254637940739

Couldn't agree more, their Twitter feed has become farcical. I'm just surprised NAAS Road traffic policing unit hasn't its own account at this stage, they seem to be having a ball seizing vehicles and my word the NAAS car pound must be enormous.

M_Murphy57 · 17-05-2021 07:10AM

MOR316 wrote: »

Planning a trip to America in October, all going well with vaccines.

**** it, time to start planning and thinking for a somewhat normal future. I feel anyways. No harm in it

Totally agree. The "Are we there yet " thread has other posters who have also reached this conclusion, myself included.

suicide_circus · 17-05-2021 07:17AM

Graham wrote: »

:rolleyes:

While restrictions are being relaxed and the vaccination program is progressing at a reasonable clip it's somewhat surprising to see last years "things nobody said" still being trotted out.

What was the science behind the €9.50 meal?

17-05-2021 07:32AM

suicide_circus wrote: »

What was the science behind the €9.50 meal?

People know well that the "meal" was about having a mechanism to ensure abuse of the rules in place was less likely and not the effect of the meal itself. The appropriateness of the rule itself is certainly up for debate and not something i ever saw as been any use, however the constant disingenuous bleating about "9.50 meal, science fnarr fnarr" is tiresome

pjohnson · 17-05-2021 07:33AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

People know well that the "meal" was about having a mechanism to ensure abuse of the rules in place was less likely and not the effect of the meal itself. The appropriateness of the rule itself is certainly up for debate and not something i ever saw as been any use, however the constant disingenuous bleating about "9.50 meal, science fnarr fnarr" is tiresome

It says far more about those parroting it than about the measure itself, especially when the "immunity" tripe is attached. Its up there with calling masks "face nappies"

suicide_circus · 17-05-2021 07:42AM

Deleted User wrote: »

People know well that the "meal" was about having a mechanism to ensure abuse of the rules in place was less likely and not the effect of the meal itself. The appropriateness of the rule itself is certainly up for debate and not something i ever saw as been any use, however the constant disingenuous bleating about "9.50 meal, science fnarr fnarr" is tiresome

The nation has been beaten over the head with "the science" for the past year. As you concede yourself it was a stupid rule. You and others clearly don't mind your lives being curtailed by stupid rules, fair enough, but you're not going to stop us talking about them. It has now been established that the way to deal with a new virus is lockdown. I'd like the next one to omit stupid rules and in order for that to happen we need to learn from past mistakes. Fnarr fnarr.

17-05-2021 07:53AM

suicide_circus wrote: »

The nation has been beaten over the head with "the science" for the past year. As you concede yourself it was a stupid rule. You and others clearly don't mind your lives being curtailed by stupid rules, fair enough, but you're not going to stop us talking about them. It has now been established that the way to deal with a new virus is lockdown. I'd like the next one to omit stupid rules and in order for that to happen we need to learn from past mistakes. Fnarr fnarr.

The "science" is reduce contacts -> reduce spread. The mechanism itself however is always subjective and always up for review on the effectiveness of individual measures as the behaviour of people is random and the transmission rates themselves are fairly random, not to mention levels of adherence. It is impossible to say measure X will produce result Y. To expect such a direct relationship is simplistic in the extreme.

The latest relaxation proposals do not include any mention of substantial meals or anything similar which indicates lessons have been taken on board

Boggles · 17-05-2021 07:58AM

Anyone mention all retail is back open today?

Would be weird if it wasn't in the Relaxation of Restrictions thread.

Dempo1 · 17-05-2021 08:04AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

The "science" is reduce contacts -> reduce spread. The mechanism itself however is always subjective and always up for review on the effectiveness of individual measures as the behaviour of people is random and the transmission rates themselves are fairly random, not to mention levels of adherence. It is impossible to say measure X will produce result Y. To expect such a direct relationship is simplistic in the extreme.

The latest relaxation proposals do not include any mention of substantial meals or anything similar which indicates lessons have been taken on board

To be honest and at the time I could see so merit in the €9.00 meal concept but it was truly a farce. I recall posting at the time about 3 pubs quite near me (very rural), one never sold so. Much as a sausage before covid, suddenly they started lashing out "Tesco Pizza's" and I'm not kidding, they didn't even bother with Goodfellas

, the second (beside a takeaway) had customers go to takeaway and bring food back into pub were plates and cutlery supplied and the 3rd just didn't bother their A*** with food, opened and traded away with no sanction.

Boggles · 17-05-2021 08:05AM

Dempo1 wrote: »

To be honest and at the time I could see so merit in the €9.00 meal concept but it was truly a farce. I recall posting at the time about 3 pubs quite near me (very rural), one never sold so. Much as a sausage before covid, suddenly they started lashing out "Tesco Pizza's" and I'm not kidding, they didn't even bother with Goodfellas , the second (beside a takeaway) had customers go to takeaway and bring food back into pub were plates and cutlery supplied and the 3rd just didn't bother their A*** with food, opened and traded away with no sanction.

Apart from being closed down.

Another reason they will be last to reopen.

suicide_circus · 17-05-2021 08:05AM

Boggles wrote: »

Anyone mention all retail is back open today?

Would be weird if it wasn't in the Relaxation of Restrictions thread.

You got there first, gold star

17-05-2021 08:08AM

Boggles wrote: »

Anyone mention all retail is back open today?

Would be weird if it wasn't in the Relaxation of Restrictions thread.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0517/1222012-essential-shops-re-open/
There you go, love the way they still categorize shops non essential( see headline in full article) but that’s Rte all over. Since when have things like clothes and shoes ever been not essential!!

Hope shops have a great reopening today though, they deserve it.

bear1 · 17-05-2021 08:12AM

MOR316 wrote: »

Planning a trip to America in October, all going well with vaccines.

**** it, time to start planning and thinking for a somewhat normal future. I feel anyways. No harm in it

I hear ya, I'll be fully vaccinated by the 12/06 so with the 2 weeks waiting for it to fully kick in after that I can officially travel by the 26th of June.
Booked 2 weeks in Italy with another week in Greece.
Can fcuk right off sitting on my ass for another summer, working..

TomSweeney · 17-05-2021 08:13AM

I saw in the BBC ticker yesterday that "If the Indian variant is 50/60% more transmissable the UK will have a "real problem""

On the other hand they were saying the vaccine works against it.

Now can someone explain to me what the "real problem" will be ? Right now the UK are in a really good place vaccination wise and this is continuing, what could this "big problem" be ?

17-05-2021 08:42AM

TomSweeney wrote: »

I saw in the BBC ticker yesterday that "If the Indian variant is 50/60% more transmissable the UK will have a "real problem""

On the other hand they were saying the vaccine works against it.

Now can someone explain to me what the "real problem" will be ? Right now the UK are in a really good place vaccination wise and this is continuing, what could this "big problem" be ?

Herd immunity requires higher level of vaccination the more transmissible the virus is. UK are still under 60% vaccination so and 50-60% more transmissible virus would rapidly spread through the remainder of the population and in the small proportion of those vaccinated in whom the vaccine didn't work. This would not cause a huge amount of deaths compared with the first two waves because this population skews younger, however would still stress the health system quite severely. With a virus not as transmissible, minimal restriction prevents spread at the levels of vaccination they have now, and very soon they reach herd immunity, where chains of transmission get interrupted, resulting in no large scale outbreaks. This is why their tactic seems to be scale up vaccinations in areas with the Indian variant to interrupt transmission and mitigate the need for any roll back or delay

greenfarm · 17-05-2021 08:46AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Herd immunity requires higher level of vaccination the more transmissible the virus is. UK are still under 60% vaccination so and 50-60% more transmissible virus would rapidly spread through the remainder of the population and in the small proportion of those vaccinated in whom the vaccine didn't work. This would not cause a huge amount of deaths compared with the first two waves because this population skews younger, however would still stress the health system quite severely. With a virus not as transmissible, minimal restriction prevents spread at the levels of vaccination they have now, and very soon they reach herd immunity, where chains of transmission get interrupted, resulting in no large scale outbreaks. This is why their tactic seems to be scale up vaccinations in areas with the Indian variant to interrupt transmission and mitigate the need for any roll back or delay

Even herd immunity worries seem off

UK are vaccinating 500,000 people a day

500,000 less people for the virus to infect every single day.

Why are they worried at all with cases going from 500 to 1500 in 3 weeks

They'll have millions vaccinated in those 3 weeks.

TomSweeney · 17-05-2021 08:47AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Herd immunity requires higher level of vaccination the more transmissible the virus is. UK are still under 60% vaccination so and 50-60% more transmissible virus would rapidly spread through the remainder of the population and in the small proportion of those vaccinated in whom the vaccine didn't work. This would not cause a huge amount of deaths compared with the first two waves because this population skews younger, however would still stress the health system quite severely. With a virus not as transmissible, minimal restriction prevents spread at the levels of vaccination they have now, and very soon they reach herd immunity, where chains of transmission get interrupted, resulting in no large scale outbreaks. This is why their tactic seems to be scale up vaccinations in areas with the Indian variant to interrupt transmission and mitigate the need for any roll back or delay

But as you say won't cause as much deaths and stress to the health system ? I doubt it somehow with vacc. rates as they are ... I think they are again using cases as a metric with the original fear as what cases meant - ie a few weeks later packed ICU and deaths.

Let's see, at this rate they can recycle the same headline weekly..

gozunda · 17-05-2021 08:49AM

TomSweeney wrote: »

I saw in the BBC ticker yesterday that "If the Indian variant is 50/60% more transmissable the UK will have a "real problem""

On the other hand they were saying the vaccine works against it.

Now can someone explain to me what the "real problem" will be ? Right now the UK are in a really good place vaccination wise and this is continuing, what could this "big problem" be ?

Because as has been detailed in the UK many of those in areas with high percentage of BAME population groups are known not to have taken the vaccine despite being eligible to do so. Coupled with a high degree of travel to and India up until India was added to the UKs redlist means that infection rates are higher in these areas.

With a now recognised higher transmissibility compared to the UK strain - more of those who are unvaccinated will likley become infected than has been the case to date.

Emergency measures to target areas with vaccinations for all age groups of 18 and upward are being put in place. Hopefully this will be enough to help stem the tide of already rising infections in these areas.

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/latest-coronavirus-infection-rates-greater-20610596

Banana Republic 1 · 17-05-2021 08:50AM

Game changer for indoor activities, retail, indoor dining, indoor drinking.

https://www.wired.com/story/the-teeny-tiny-scientific-screwup-that-helped-covid-kill/

TomSweeney · 17-05-2021 08:59AM

Banana Republic 1 wrote: »

Game changer for indoor activities, retail, indoor dining, indoor drinking.

https://www.wired.com/story/the-teeny-tiny-scientific-screwup-that-helped-covid-kill/

How is it a game changer ? apart from shutting it all down...

FintanMcluskey · 17-05-2021 09:06AM

Our relaxation today is bringing us closer to Frances “severe lockdown”

The end is in sight thankfully

iheartpooner · 17-05-2021 09:10AM

Banana Republic 1 wrote: »

Game changer for indoor activities, retail, indoor dining, indoor drinking.

If I wanted doom porn I’d go read about climate change!

TomSweeney · 17-05-2021 09:11AM

Banana Republic 1 wrote: »

Game changer for indoor activities, retail, indoor dining, indoor drinking.

https://www.wired.com/story/the-teeny-tiny-scientific-screwup-that-helped-covid-kill/

You can see what they are pushing here, the photo of the hero female scientist (beating all the patriarchal men) masked up should really give you a clue.

Spain have been doing indoor dining since January, it has had no effect, cases been dropping since ...

Also check the front page of wired - "The case for working from home FOREVER"!!!

they really are in a little cult.

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