Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XI Read OP For Mod Warnings

Parachutes · 15-05-2021 03:58PM

Penfailed wrote: »

He's not destroying people's livelihoods, so why would they ask him those questions?

You can’t be for real. Must be a civil servant :rolleyes:

15-05-2021 04:06PM

Graham wrote: »

Coincidentally there's a really good explanation explaining what variants are and how they happen published by the BBC this evening.

It might help clarify some of the things you might have misinterpreted about lockdowns during

Cool post.

Anyway. Whether a new mutation survives and becomes widespread depends on its fitness, vis-à-vis the adverse environment in which the virus exists. The more contagious viral strain has a selective advantage over the other strains. The speed with which such a strain pushes out the other strains out of the existence, i.e., the time that it needs to fix in the population, depends on the effective population size. In this respect, lockdown resulted in reducing the effective population size, which could have resulted in faster fixation of the more contagious strain. (It is important to keep in mind that the lockdown wasn't waterproof - the virus was still spreading, although at a lower pace.)

In other words, the lockdown could have acted as an evolutionary bottleneck, reducing the viral diversity at the expense of the less fit strains.

This selection can also of course have the effect of making a strain that causes much less severe disease the most dominant strain. Which would be nice.

15-05-2021 04:09PM

gozunda wrote: »

Variants but perhaps more accurately those variants highlighted as being of concern - by reason being more transmissible etc - are something which have affected nearly every country - including ourselves - eg see the B.1.1.7 strain that took over here after Christmas.

Weird. Every time I've made this point I've been assured that the Christmas spike was entirely down to the naughty, naughty Irish folks having the audacity to get together with family at Christmas.

Silentcorner · 15-05-2021 04:11PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

I guess scaremongering works, Sage did a good job anyhow deja vu :pac:

https://twitter.com/jewellerydiva/status/1393321680651567105?s=21

Well would you look at that...

What was the variant that Martin used to justify the continued level 5 restrictions in February?

Another poster posted this video at the time...I still get a laugh out of it....

The list of variants of concern we need to be scared of -

Silentcorner · 15-05-2021 04:15PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Weird. Every time I've made this point I've been assured that the Christmas spike was entirely down to the naughty, naughty Irish folks having the audacity to get together with family at Christmas.

It was the Xmas dinner gravy boats....those damned gravy boats just attract Covid, like flies on s**t, it's science...I wouldn't mind but they warned us!!!

gozunda · 15-05-2021 04:37PM

Corholio wrote: »

I wish it was someone else who asked and now gets 'plaudits' for questioning rather than Sarah Carey. A horrible journalist and a hypocrite at every turn.

The odd thing about that exchange is that Tony asked for clarification as to her point and in turn Tony gets lambasted for "being nasty" or wtte

In the context of some of the questions asked and to questions answered - I can understand how a small number of media hacks could end up pissing someone off - especially where they're not adverse to misquoting people for the purpose of headlines and clicks.

And then some here claim the media only praises the government!

You couldn't make it up - but some of the media regularly do unfortunately

gozunda · 15-05-2021 04:47PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Weird. Every time I've made this point I've been assured that the Christmas spike was entirely down to the naughty, naughty Irish folks having the audacity to get together with family at Christmas.

Well weird indeed. And if you care to take time and read that correctly I was very cautious not to assign blame as to the cause of the "Christmas spike" one way or the other - as I know what this thread is like.

This is my comment.

Variants but perhaps more accurately those variants highlighted as being of concern - by reason being more transmissible etc - are something which have affected nearly every country - including ourselves - eg see the B.1.1.7 strain that took over here after Christmas.

Regardless of Who *might or might not* be responsible- the fact is that B.1.1.7 is now the dominant strain.

Apropos to that you've just exceeded my optimism that playing the game of things which were never said was in decline :rolleyes:

But no matter ...

15-05-2021 05:02PM

gozunda wrote: »

Regardless of Who *might or might not* be responsible

Here's an idea: nobody is responsible. Viruses gonna virus.

Junglejoe · 15-05-2021 05:39PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Viruses gonna virus.

I take it you're a medic of some sort

Penfailed · 15-05-2021 05:59PM

Parachutes wrote: »

You can’t be for real. Must be a civil servant :rolleyes:

Totally for real. It's a government decision to keep places closed, not a Tony Holohan decision.

charlie14 · 15-05-2021 06:17PM

Silentcorner wrote: »

Oh ya...really?...what vaccines were developed in Brazil, India, South Africa and Kent or Lombardy (which if memory serves me right was suggested to be one of the variants we got back in March 2020)?

This virus will mutate, like all viruses, we just became obsessed with variants right after the first vaccine was announced back in November?

Maybe....just maybe, the vaccines were developed in the medical facilities owned by the Parent Companies who participated in the development of vaccines?

You really were not paying any attention to vaccine development.

Some of the countries where large human vaccine trials were conducted.
U.S., U.K., India, South Africa, Mexico, Brazil, Peru, Argentina, Spain, Italy, Germany, The Netherlands,France, Belgium, Morocco, Indonesia, Bangladesh, The Philippines etc.etc.

You really do not have the faintest idea as to the numbers that were involved in the trials do you?
Looks like you are just a step away from suggesting the virus was developed by the companies who developed the vaccines as well.

Silentcorner · 15-05-2021 06:31PM

charlie14 wrote: »

You really were not paying any attention to vaccine development.

Some of the countries where large human vaccine trials were conducted.
U.S., U.K., India, South Africa, Mexico, Brazil, Peru, Argentina, Spain, Italy, Germany, The Netherlands,France, Belgium, Morocco, Indonesia, Bangladesh, The Philippines etc.etc.

You really do not have the faintest idea as to the numbers that were involved in the trials do you?
Looks like you are just a step away from suggesting the virus was developed by the companies who developed the vaccines as well.

You spent way too much time paying attention to it by the sounds of it!!!!

You said developed...you didn't say trialed...I don't doubt they trialed the vaccines in multiple countries.

And there you go again....trying to discredit me by fantasizing about something that never entered my head!

Klonker · 15-05-2021 06:49PM

normanoffside wrote: »

This Journalist asked him some questions yesterday (albeit about something else) and look at the bullying and patronising tone she got. He avoids hard questions and intimidates anyone who he perceives to be criticising him,

https://twitter.com/MarmaladeMax/status/1393568079850975239

Jesus that is shocking behaviour. Belittling her for having the cheek to question NPHET.

charlie14 · 15-05-2021 07:20PM

Silentcorner wrote: »

You spent way too much time paying attention to it by the sounds of it!!!!

You said developed...you didn't say trialed...I don't doubt they trialed the vaccines in multiple countries.

And there you go again....trying to discredit me by fantasizing about something that never entered my head!

Spending time paying attention to people whinging about lockdown without a viable way out of this, compared to paying attention to vaccines which are a way out wasn`t really much of a contest.

I wasn`t trying to discredit you by saying that it didn`t appear as if you spent much time following vaccine development, but how you somehow believed vaccines are developed without human trial I have no idea.
Especially with the numbers used in those human trials.

branie2 · 15-05-2021 07:21PM

No news on cases yet

Silentcorner · 15-05-2021 07:25PM

charlie14 wrote: »

I wasn`t trying to discredit you by saying that it didn`t appear as if you spent much time following vaccine development, but how you somehow believed vaccines are developed without human trial I have no idea.
Especially with the numbers used in those human trials.

And there you go again....you are a dishonest poster.

You've a nasty tendency to completely misrepresent me, you've being doing it for days now....

Boggles · 15-05-2021 07:25PM

Parachutes wrote: »

Anyone who goes against the prevailing narrative is a “grifter” in the eyes of many. The notion of just ‘going along with the experts’ but when you point out the many experts who are against lockdowns and restrictions (such as Ivor Cummins) they’re just written off as grifters and conspiracy theorists.

LOL!

hynesie08 · 15-05-2021 07:25PM

branie2 wrote: »

No news on cases yet

Not being announced due to the cyber attack.

branie2 · 15-05-2021 07:26PM

Thanks

PTH2009 · 15-05-2021 07:28PM

hynesie08 wrote: »

Not being announced due to the cyber attack.

Nigerian princees at it again

gozunda · 15-05-2021 07:28PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Here's an idea: nobody is responsible. Viruses gonna virus.

Irrelevant. But more importantly where was it stated *anyone* was responsible other than referred to by the poster to whom I replied? ie yourself...

charlie14 · 15-05-2021 07:30PM

Silentcorner wrote: »

And there you go again....you are a dishonest poster.

You've a nasty tendency to completely misrepresent me, you've being doing it for days now....

Will you ever get over yourself.

Anything I have said is in direct relation to your own posts.

Stormyteacup · 15-05-2021 07:37PM

Klonker wrote: »

Jesus that is shocking behaviour. Belittling her for having the cheek to question NPHET.

It is pretty disgraceful treatment of a legitimate question. It’s a subject topical and of concern and many people would like it clarified by the CMO.

He didn’t like the question and it irritated him - fine, but then he’s clearly not the person to put in a national broadcast that is supposed to disseminate technical medical information to layman’s terms.

He’s always been a bully but his true colours are coming out now that NPHET are beginning to be relegated and their recommendations are finally subjected to more in-depth questioning.

pjohnson · 15-05-2021 07:47PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Here's an idea: nobody is responsible. Viruses gonna virus.

People refusing to accept resonsibilty doesn't mean they aren't responsible.

_Kaiser_ · 15-05-2021 08:00PM

Stormyteacup wrote: »

It is pretty disgraceful treatment of a legitimate question. It’s a subject topical and of concern and many people would like it clarified by the CMO.

He didn’t like the question and it irritated him - fine, but then he’s clearly not the person to put in a national broadcast that is supposed to disseminate technical medical information to layman’s terms.

He’s always been a bully but his true colours are coming out now that NPHET are beginning to be relegated and their recommendations are finally subjected to more in-depth questioning.

He really come across as an arrogant ignorant bully in the two clips linked earlier.

How this guy is still CMO in the first place is a significant question, but his attitude there shows exactly why it is that this country has essentially been run as a medical dictatorship for most of the last year. Micheal Martin and Donnelly don't exactly strike me as the types to tell him no.

It's only because the economic fallout - including the housing situation - has reached a point where it can't be ignored anymore, that Holohan and his crew of daytime celebrities are finally being pushed back on and it's clear he's not happy with this new state of affairs.

Silentcorner · 15-05-2021 08:16PM

pjohnson wrote: »

People refusing to accept resonsibilty doesn't mean they aren't responsible.

Who should be held responsible for the outbreaks in hospitals and care homes?

The patients or the staff, or the HSE?

15-05-2021 08:49PM

gozunda wrote: »

Irrelevant. But more importantly where was it stated *anyone* was responsible other than referred to by the poster to whom I replied? ie yourself...

I'm not going back into the other thread to find the multiple messages that were posted about Irish people and Christmas and how people being eejits and visiting family were to blame for the spike. You can do that yourself. I know they're there because I pushed back against them on a number of occasions, saying that B117 was the reason for the spike.

Concerning you can't remember it, really.

15-05-2021 08:51PM

Silentcorner wrote: »

Who should be held responsible for the outbreaks in hospitals and care homes?

The patients or the staff, or the HSE?

I don't suppose it matters overly much, so long as there is someone to other.

Parachutes · 15-05-2021 09:03PM

Penfailed wrote: »

Totally for real. It's a government decision to keep places closed, not a Tony Holohan decision.

On the back of his advice they are terrified to go against.

Silentcorner · 15-05-2021 09:19PM

Parachutes wrote: »

On the back of his advice they are terrified to go against.

On reflection, was Varadkars speech the other day about how they tend to follow CDC guidelines a public slap in the face of Nphet, we did have a fairly noticeable change of gear recently....the "new virus" they were on about turned out to be nothing, even though the media have left them all off the hook it was a silly gamble like we predicted here)....the public are visibly weary and too many have lost all pretense of sticking to the restrictions.

Varadkar would also know that many States in the US have stopped following CDC guidelines.

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XI Read OP For Mod Warnings