Are we there yet? Your second Travel Megathread (threadbans in OP}

12-05-2021 11:03AM

dalyboy wrote: »

Ryanair moved 70% of their original Dublin - EU routes to Belfast airport back in February.

They could foresee these Irish government shenanigans well in advance.

It turns out that was a shrewd move as I personally know 8 people who have booked their holidays for early to mid June flying out of Belfast airport (to avoid the 2k and have additional assurance of departure)

Google says that's a lie. They are opening SUMMER routes from Belfast and have not dropped a single Dublin route that matches any of the Belfast routes.

There's less than 15 routes from Belfast and nearly 100 from Dublin.

They "hope" to be back up and running to "80%" of their previous capacity in the uk which is still a reduction of 20%. They are also threatening to cancel their SUMMER additional flights from Dublin but as yet, haven't.

12-05-2021 11:04AM

Chuck Norris 2021 wrote: »

Why is that? Would it be a breach of EU free movement?

Because it would be stopping essential travel and staff that work there

12-05-2021 11:06AM

Lumen wrote: »

If we're talking about penalties for breaking quarantine, if you do not quarantine at home or in your place of residence, you can be fined up to €5,000 or face 6 months in prison, or both.

You can leave "for unavoidable reasons of an emergency nature to protect a person’s health or welfare" but "going to the shops etc" is not going to cut it.

The relevant SI is 135, and the penalties are laid out in the HEALTH ACT 1947 REVISED Updated to 30 April 2021.

You went further than me. I gave up at 150. So many damn amendments

Valhallapt · 12-05-2021 11:21AM

I see sheep wrote: »

Text of article -

Spain plans to waive its PCR testing requirement for British visitors from May 20, if the UK's Covid-19 infection rate allows.

"[British holidaymakers] could come from May 20 onwards without a PCR if the incidence rates are below the range currently under review, which is around 50 [cases per 100,000 people]", Spain's tourism minister Maria Reyes Maroto told reporters after a weekly cabinet meeting on Tuesday.

Ms Reyes Maroto also said during a visit to Alicante on Monday that she thought Britons would be permitted to visit Spain for a holiday from next week.

“Spain is exercising a very active role within the European Union and campaigning for the updating of the restrictions on non-essential trips from outside the EU. The changes that are being discussed at the moment are going to mean tourists will be able to travel to Spain from the UK from May 20,” she said.

Spain is not among the 12 destinations on the UK’s quarantine-free 'green list', but could potentially move to 'green' from 'amber' when the UK Government reviews the categories in early June.

This is really positive news, in-line with what the Portuguese have been saying.

By early June I think most Southern European countries will drop the need for a pcr or green cert.

Once you can get off this island, it looks like Europe will a reasonable normal aviation policy in place.

Eurocontrol are showing strong demand across Europe starting to return.

Valhallapt · 12-05-2021 11:22AM

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

Google says that's a lie.

Is there a way to block trolls on boards?

Chuck Norris 2021 · 12-05-2021 11:26AM

Valhallapt wrote: »

Once you can get off this island

The only question remaining is when that'll happen?

What is everyone's thought at the moment?

June 2nd? June 7th? July? August?

I would assume that their talk of reviewing international travel at the end of June, refers to restriction free international travel?

dalyboy · 12-05-2021 11:27AM

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

Google says that's a lie. They are opening SUMMER routes from Belfast and have not dropped a single Dublin route that matches any of the Belfast routes.

There's less than 15 routes from Belfast and nearly 100 from Dublin.

They "hope" to be back up and running to "80%" of their previous capacity in the uk which is still a reduction of 20%. They are also threatening to cancel their SUMMER additional flights from Dublin but as yet, haven't.

Yip. I stand corrected. They eyed up 70% of their pre pandemic traffic for summer 2021 (article from March 2021) (I admit I only glanced through the google results on this topic)

https://www.routesonline.com/news/29/breaking-news/295356/ryanair-eyes-up-to-70-of-normal-traffic-plans-belfast-city-return/

This was/is very convenient timing to reinstate their routes from Belfast city airport though considering their 11 year absence from said airport.

It’s a great service for people wishing to escape the mindless 2k fine all the same.

12-05-2021 11:28AM

Valhallapt wrote: »

Is there a way to block trolls on boards?

Need my help with that as well? Yeah I don't like people that make up lies to win a pointless argument either.

I suggest you use the 'block' feature

However it appears that user (who YOU thanked by the way) had the manners and maturity to admit he was wrong.

dalyboy wrote: »

Yip. I stand corrected. They eyed up 70% of their pre pandemic traffic for summer 2021 (article from March 2021) (I admit I only glanced through the google results on this topic)

https://www.routesonline.com/news/29/breaking-news/295356/ryanair-eyes-up-to-70-of-normal-traffic-plans-belfast-city-return/

This was/is very convenient timing to reinstate their routes from Belfast city airport though considering their 11 year absence from said airport.

It’s a great service for people wishing to escape the mindless 2k fine all the same.

it's nice to have options but sometimes the saving in finance is not worth the headache. Having had to just travel and stay overnight in Madrid entering and then sit in the airport for 6 hours coming back. I'll pay up for the direct flight when it returns. Not that renfe or alsa are a bad service, it's just unneeded hassle

Valhallapt · 12-05-2021 11:35AM

Chuck Norris 2021 wrote: »

The only question remaining is when that'll happen?

What is everyone's thought at the moment?

June 2nd? June 7th? July? August?

I would assume that their talk of reviewing international travel at the end of June, refers to restriction free international travel?

I’ve booked flights out of Dublin for the 28th of June to Portugal. But I’m keeping an eye on Belfast and UK prices, if the 2k fine is still in place by June 2nd I’ll book a backup flight from Belfast. I’ll attempt Dublin but if I get refused I’ll hop on the train to Belfast and fly the next day

12-05-2021 11:39AM

Valhallapt wrote: »

I’ve booked flights out of Dublin for the 28th of June to Portugal. But I’m keeping an eye on Belfast and UK prices, if the 2k fine is still in place by June 2nd I’ll book a backup flight from Belfast. I’ll attempt Dublin but if I get refused I’ll hop on the train to Belfast and fly the next day

Awwww, I'm working that day. Coffee?

How are they managing to increase from 3 fights weekly to twice daily for faro though with no planes available?

Ray Donovan · 12-05-2021 11:45AM

Chuck Norris 2021 wrote: »

The only question remaining is when that'll happen?

What is everyone's thought at the moment?

June 2nd? June 7th? July? August?

I would assume that their talk of reviewing international travel at the end of June, refers to restriction free international travel?

Ya the fine is the big conundrum really isn’t it. Can see it being extended beyond June 2nd being honest. Unfortunately.

Ray Donovan · 12-05-2021 11:47AM

Valhallapt wrote: »

I’ve booked flights out of Dublin for the 28th of June to Portugal. But I’m keeping an eye on Belfast and UK prices, if the 2k fine is still in place by June 2nd I’ll book a backup flight from Belfast. I’ll attempt Dublin but if I get refused I’ll hop on the train to Belfast and fly the next day

If you could me updated that would be great. Im due to fly the next day. What time is your flight?

Chuck Norris 2021 · 12-05-2021 11:49AM

Ray Donovan wrote: »

Ya the fine is the big conundrum really isn’t it. Can see it being extended beyond June 2nd being honest. Unfortunately.

The only thing that may change that is;

(a) Slap on the wrist from the EU.

(b) They realise that they'll have far more control of travel by scrapping it and thus avoiding a flood from NI with no one quarantining.

(c) The noise from those who want to travel drowns out the curtain twitchers

Ray Donovan · 12-05-2021 11:58AM

Chuck Norris 2021 wrote: »

The only thing that may change that is;

(a) Slap on the wrist from the EU.

(b) They realise that they'll have far more control of travel by scrapping it and thus avoiding a flood from NI with no one quarantining.

(c) The noise from those who want to travel drowns out the curtain twitchers

Cant see much chance of (c).

Valhallapt · 12-05-2021 12:01PM

Ray Donovan wrote: »

Cant see much chance of (c).

I think sentiment is changing, albeit it slowly. I’ve been telling everyone all year I was going on June 28, up until recently everyone said I was mad, but lately people have been saying, sure things will be better by then, might as well go! The tv is not as doom and gloom as it was, vaccine news is optimistic.

Chuck Norris 2021 · 12-05-2021 12:14PM

Ray Donovan wrote: »

Cant see much chance of (c).

Valhallapt wrote: »

I think sentiment is changing, albeit it slowly. I’ve been telling everyone all year I was going on June 28, up until recently everyone said I was mad, but lately people have been saying, sure things will be better by then, might as well go! The tv is not as doom and gloom as it was, vaccine news is optimistic.

When people start to see vaccinated US tourists, and people from the UK roaming about they'll soon get tired of being locked up. Remember the greed we are dealing with here, the government will want to have it's cake and eat it by keeping us here to spend money while bringing in tourists, Leo is already talking about this with British tourists. The airline industry will hopefully start making more noise, treatening to axe routes, talk of holidays doubling in price etc. The greedy Irish hospitality sector will price the natives out of being able to holiday, and the continued crap weather will make even the die hards wish for foreign sun. Add to this back benchers trying to make a name for themselves, and undoubtedly Sinn Fein will start complaining just to oppose the government. Add to that the flood of feshly tanned holiday makings driving down the M1 totally unimpeded.

All it would really take is one well organised attach on social media for the government to roll over, that's how we ended up with the measures we have.

Corholio · 12-05-2021 12:19PM

Northern Ireland are supposed to announce next information on restriction plans tomorrow (13th) so hopefully will outline their travel plans and whether or not it'll resume on the 17th with England etc.

Dr. Em · 12-05-2021 12:22PM

Valhallapt wrote: »

Well it’s not the next six months, it’s now.

https://mobile.twitter.com/eurocontrolDG/status/1392375104437374977

Everywhere in Europe except Ireland is opening skies, as a Ryanair shareholder I want them to deploy the planes to countries where they can sell tickets. Once the tickets are sold, the planes will stay there for the foreseeable

Here is the full publication containing that graph.
https://www.eurocontrol.int/publication/eurocontrol-comprehensive-assessment-covid-19s-impact-european-air-traffic

The top 8 out of the top 10 country pairs are domestic flights. Just try getting into Norway right now and you will see that it is not being driven by international traffic.

pc7 · 12-05-2021 12:36PM

Chuck Norris 2021 wrote: »

When people start to see vaccinated US tourists, and people from the UK roaming about they'll soon get tired of being locked up. .

This all day long!

Valhallapt · 12-05-2021 12:37PM

Dr. Em wrote: »

Here is the full publication containing that graph.
https://www.eurocontrol.int/publication/eurocontrol-comprehensive-assessment-covid-19s-impact-european-air-traffic

The top 8 out of the top 10 country pairs are domestic flights. Just try getting into Norway right now and you will see that it is not being driven by international traffic.

Yes agreed that’s a factor, in 2019 Ryanair had 67 aircraft in Italy, they are the no1 airline in Italy for domestic and international, they have announced they are adding 5 more aircraft there. They are not new planes, they have been moved from other bases. They do expect some deliveries of the 737m later this year alright, but they haven’t announced where they will go, as they are not suitable for every airport. Planes have also been pulled from Dublin to open a new base in Belfast, they’re not schrodingers planes, the can’t be in Dublin and Belfast at the same time.

zebastein · 12-05-2021 12:41PM

Dr. Em wrote: »

Here is the full publication containing that graph.
https://www.eurocontrol.int/publication/eurocontrol-comprehensive-assessment-covid-19s-impact-european-air-traffic

The top 8 out of the top 10 country pairs are domestic flights. Just try getting into Norway right now and you will see that it is not being driven by international traffic.

I find the charts from flightradar interesting to see the trends:
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/statistics

number-of-commercial-fli.png

Lowest point of the year was ~15Feb with 51k flights per week and we are ramping up , currently 78k but we can expect the same trend as 2020 for summer, with a higher volume

M_Murphy57 · 12-05-2021 01:04PM

Valhallapt wrote: »

Is there a way to block trolls on boards?

I use the ignore button for the 2 or 3 same posters that say the same **** every day on this thread (a thread about wanting to travel) instead of on the other thread for people who think travel is the root of all evil (where that repetitive ****e belongs)

If everybody used ignore and stopped quoting those guys itd be like they didnt exist and the rest of us could crack on with counting down the days to flying out of Belfast

12-05-2021 01:17PM

Valhallapt wrote: »

Yes agreed that’s a factor, in 2019 Ryanair had 67 aircraft in Italy, they are the no1 airline in Italy for domestic and international, they have announced they are adding 5 more aircraft there. They are not new planes, they have been moved from other bases. They do expect some deliveries of the 737m later this year alright, but they haven’t announced where they will go, as they are not suitable for every airport. Planes have also been pulled from Dublin to open a new base in Belfast, they’re not schrodingers planes, the can’t be in Dublin and Belfast at the same time.

Good thing they purchased 200 additional airplanes then isn't it? Those 15 routes plus your increased faro flight added to the summer schedule that they bring additional craft in for every single summer

Blut2 · 12-05-2021 01:25PM

M_Murphy57 wrote: »

I use the ignore button for the 2 or 3 same posters that say the same **** every day on this thread (a thread about wanting to travel) instead of on the other thread for people who think travel is the root of all evil (where that repetitive ****e belongs)

If everybody used ignore and stopped quoting those guys itd be like they didnt exist and the rest of us could crack on with counting down the days to flying out of Belfast

Its interesting that for ages saabsaab was constantly defending the government line, posting very frequently. But now hes stopped completely and Niner leprauchan is effectively arguing the exact same talking points, and also posting very frequently.

Almost like a change of shift, really. Funny that.

Tenzor07 · 12-05-2021 01:39PM

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

Good thing they purchased 200 additional airplanes then isn't it?

I heard those 200 extra aircraft are being delivered next week, straight into Dublin for when the Gards are gone from the Airport terminal entrances..:rolleyes:

Valhallapt · 12-05-2021 01:41PM

Tenzor07 wrote: »

I heard those 200 extra aircraft are being delivered next week, straight into Dublin for when the Gards are gone from the Airport terminal entrances..:rolleyes:

The 737max is a good bit quieter, maybe the guards won’t hear us taking off on our holidays!

Wallander · 12-05-2021 01:44PM

Worrying news about people getting trapped abroad as they keep on testing positive on PCR tests long after recovering from Covid:

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/frantic-calls-from-irish-people-trapped-abroad-as-they-repeatedly-received-residual-positive-covid-tests-40418573.html

It sounds like most countries would accept a doctor affirming that the person in this situation can travel as they are no longer infectious, but not Ireland unfortunately.

Tenzor07 · 12-05-2021 01:53PM

Valhallapt wrote: »

The 737max is a good bit quieter, maybe the guards won’t hear us taking off on our holidays!

Special deals going from Waterford airport where they're gonna base these 200 new aircraft!

Chuck Norris 2021 · 12-05-2021 01:56PM

http://clareherald.com/2021/05/mcnamara-seeks-clarity-on-transatlantic-air-travel-11110/

We need more of this, people reminding the government that people will travel regardless of their ideas. Sooner or later this may result in the end of the 2k airport surcharge;

“The Minister is acutely aware of this, having an airport in his constituency. Once we have an open and common travel area with the United Kingdom, it is simply senseless if planes are taking off from North America and coming into the United Kingdom for us to not allow planes to go from Ireland to North America. People will simply travel via the United Kingdom and via Belfast if necessary. All we are doing is strangling our economy to no public health benefit if people are travelling anyway, which they will do sooner rather than later.”

Helpsos · 12-05-2021 02:14PM

Hi there

We are planning to travel with two kids to my parents home in Spain mid June(they won’t be there) .
I’m literally living for it.
We will be saying that we have a home there and using that as are our essential travel reason. Ill be fully vaccinated but we will all have PCR tests etc. I’ve been reading through this thread, but assuming nothing changes in the guidelines before mid June:
1 - could we be turned around ?
2- is worst case scenario a 2k fine and continue on the trip?

Please don’t troll me (I’m new here lol)

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