Ballymurphy massacre

The Truth Hurts wrote: »

Lets say a prayer and hope all the families get the truth they deserve today.

My thread was merged with yours do you mind copying and pasting into the OP as it was made after the update and also goes into detail on the events surrounding those couple of days.

Baggly wrote: »

Mod

3 fairly new threads on the topic merged.

The way my thread title is written and also the OP will garner far more attention than this one if you dont mind merging this one with my one instead as this is more of a "best wishes" thread which will die almost instantly as no even has a clue what the "ballymurphy massacre" is people are unlikely to click on it.

Yakov P. Golyadkin wrote: »

Can't see our government going for that. More to their shame.

Our governments could not care less about innocent victims unless they can use them to damage their political opponents.

The specially-appointed investigation team into the Dublin Monaghan bombings was disbanded in July 1974, two months after the bombings.


Barron's report noted that the Fine Gael/Labour government of the time "showed little interest in the bombings" and did not do enough to help the investigation."When information was given to them suggesting that the British authorities had intelligence naming the bombers, this was not followed up".

The Barron report also claimed It failed to put political pressure on the British government to secure better co-operation from the RUC. It was also alleged that the Fine Gael/Labour government caused or allowed the Garda investigation to end prematurely, for fear that the findings would play into the hands of republicans.

anplaya27 wrote: »

What do you expect.....


They shot dead a Deaf man whos first language was Irish Sign Language in Strabane in 1972 who was trying to gesture to them that he was Deaf, that he couldnt understand what they were saying to him and then covered his murder up.

And the fact that loyalist paramilitaries were almost under complete control of the intelligence services.

At the time of the Dublin Monaghan bombings, Colin Wallace was a top British Intelligence Corps officer at the British Army's Northern Ireland headquarters. Since his resignation in 1975, he has exposed scandals involving the security forces, including state collusion with loyalists and the Kincora boys home, He gave evidence to the Barron Inquiry.

In an August 1975 letter to Tony Stoughton, chief of the British Army Information Service in Northern Ireland, Wallace writes:

There is good evidence the Dublin bombings in May last year were a reprisal for the Irish government's role in bringing about the [power sharing] Executive. According to one of Craig's people [Craig Smellie, the top MI6 officer in Northern Ireland], most of those involved – the Youngs, the Jacksons, Mulholland, Hanna, Kerr and McConnell – were working closely with [Special Branch] and [Military Intelligence] at that time. Craig's people believe the sectarian assassinations were designed to destroy Rees's attempts to negotiate a ceasefire, and the targets were identified for both sides by [Intelligence/Special Branch]. They also believe some very senior RUC officers were involved with this group. In short, it would appear that loyalist paramilitaries and [Intelligence/Special Branch] members have formed some sort of pseudo gangs in an attempt to fight a war of attrition against the IRA by getting paramilitaries on both sides to kill each other thus drawing the IRA away from it's war against the state and into a shooting war with loyalists and at the same time prevent any future political initiative such as Sunningdale.

In a further letter of September 1975, Wallace wrote that MI5 was backing a group of UVF hardliners who opposed the UVF's move toward politics. He added:
I believe much of the violence generated during the latter part of last year was caused by some of the new [Intelligence] people deliberately stirring up the conflict. As you know, we have never been allowed to target the breakaway UVF, nor the UFF, during the past couple of years, Yet they have killed more people than the IRA.

Of the 280 top loyalists arrested during the Stevens Inquiry all but 4 of them were working for the intelligence services.

end of the road wrote: »

it's one of the reasons i would guess but i would say a minor reason.
the real reason is likely a fear of it coming out how much up to their necks they and the security forces were in the conflict.
it's definitely not about protecting service men as such given chances are the tories have cut any services in relation to x service men to the bone so clearly don't care about them.

What do you mean by "up to their necks"?

The real justice for the families was handed out on the 27th of August 1979.

end of the road wrote: »

they were completely involved in the acts of that conflict carried out by loyalists.
they passed on information to allow loyalists to carry out attacks, gave them weapons, etc.

Agreed but to a far larger extent what you said there has already been proven (Brian Nelson) what they really do not want people to know is the exact extent of which they controlled the loyalist organisations many historians believe they were almost under complete control of the intelligence services.

One thing during the troubles irrelevant to loyalist collusion that always made me extremely suspicious was the killing of Joanne Mathers allegedly by the PIRA for handing out census forms, this happened two days before the election of Bobby Sands when the IRA had halted all offensive operations in support of the hunger strikers and were gaining global support and sympathy, I find it hard to believe they decided to break that two days before the election solely to kill a young woman handing out census forms.

I don't know about anybody else but I don't need any evidence to know whoever killed her was not on the republican side of the conflict, spooks most likely false flag at it's finest right there.