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Ballymurphy massacre

  • 11-05-2021 9:37am
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    Site Banned Posts: 1 The Truth Hurts


    Lets say a prayer and hope all the families get the truth they deserve today.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,553 ✭✭✭ votecounts


    https://twitter.com/UTVNews/status/1392102489093246978


    Great news for the families as they were brandished as terrorists in many circles. I wonder though is this the reason the British Government is pushing for the amnesty for Soldiers.


  • Registered Users Posts: 314 ✭✭ The_Fitz


    All 10 victims were "Entirely innocent" the coroner has said.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 146 ✭✭ Marco23d


    The recent inquest has today shown that all the victims were shot without justification breaking the British government claim of the last 50 years that the victims were all gunmen and bombers "a good days work by the army" as it was once described.

    Another elderly man also died after being subjected to a mock execution by soldiers in front of dozens of men, women and children.

    Among the victims were Joan Connolly a 44 year old Mother of 8 shot multiple times she allegedly laid there in a field screaming for help for several hours, one of the other victims were killed as they tried to come to her aid.

    Hundreds of other people in the area at the time were also allegedly subjected to violent assualts, soldiers also allegedly beat the corpses of the dead.

    The soldiers responsible were later decorated by the Queen as heroes.

    Many of the residents in Ballymurphy fled across the border to refugee camps set up by the Republic it remains the largest movement of refugees in Europe since WW2.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Regional Abroad Moderators Posts: 34,959 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Baggly


    Mod

    3 fairly new threads on the topic merged.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 146 ✭✭ Marco23d


    Baggly wrote: »
    Mod

    3 fairly new threads on the topic merged.

    My thread actually went into detail I think that should have been the one that was kept.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 146 ✭✭ Marco23d


    Lets say a prayer and hope all the families get the truth they deserve today.

    My thread was merged with yours do you mind copying and pasting into the OP as it was made after the update and also goes into detail on the events surrounding those couple of days.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 146 ✭✭ Marco23d


    The recent inquest has today shown in the last half hour that all the victims were shot without justification breaking the British government claim of the last 50 years that the victims were all gunmen and bombers "a good days work by the army" as it was once described.

    Another elderly man also died after being subjected to a mock execution by soldiers in front of dozens of men, women and children.

    Among the victims were Joan Connolly a 44 year old Mother of 8 shot multiple times she allegedly laid there in a field screaming for help for several hours, one of the other victims were killed as they tried to come to her aid.

    Hundreds of other people in the area at the time were also allegedly subjected to violent assualts, soldiers also allegedly beat the corpses of the dead.

    The soldiers responsible were later decorated by the Queen as heroes.

    Many of the residents in Ballymurphy fled across the border to refugee camps set up by the Republic it remains the largest movement of refugees in Europe since WW2


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 146 ✭✭ Marco23d


    Baggly wrote: »
    Mod

    3 fairly new threads on the topic merged.

    The way my thread title is written and also the OP will garner far more attention than this one if you dont mind merging this one with my one instead as this is more of a "best wishes" thread which will die almost instantly as no even has a clue what the "ballymurphy massacre" is people are unlikely to click on it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 295 ✭✭ gourcuff


    not much coverage in the UK ... guess thats not suprising


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,813 ✭✭✭ marvin80




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  • Registered Users Posts: 11,725 ✭✭✭✭ wes


    gourcuff wrote: »
    not much coverage in the UK ... guess thats not suprising

    Brits have a habit of ignoring their crimes, and covering them up. See operation legacy for example.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,725 ✭✭✭✭ wes


    marvin80 wrote: »

    **** it, we should put them on trial in absentia then, if they won't do it. They won't see the inside of a cell, but at least we can get the truth out, as the Brits will cover it up otherwise.


  • Registered Users Posts: 34,995 ✭✭✭✭ LuckyLloyd


    Shocking that the families of the victims had to wait this long to have their names cleared.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,144 ✭✭✭ dobman88


    Best wishes to the families. RIP to the innocent victims.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,295 ✭✭✭ Shebean


    Will the new amnesty or whatever not make any justice impossible?


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,813 ✭✭✭ marvin80


    LuckyLloyd wrote: »
    Shocking that the families of the victims had to wait this long to have their names cleared.

    It didn't help when you had the likes of Arlene Foster at stuff like this:

    https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland-assembly-election/dup-leader-arlene-foster-why-i-blocked-plans-to-speed-up-troubles-probes-34683461.html


  • Registered Users Posts: 240 ✭✭ Yakov P. Golyadkin


    wes wrote: »
    **** it, we should put them on trial in absentia then, if they won't do it. They won't see the inside of a cell, but at least we can get the truth out, as the Brits will cover it up otherwise.

    Can't see our government going for that. More to their shame.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,086 ✭✭✭ volchitsa


    Shebean wrote: »
    Will the new amnesty or whatever not make any justice impossible?
    What justice? You don’t imagine the British government are going to put their soldiers in jail do you? No matter what the law says.

    The amnesty is not what’s been the obstacle up to now.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 42,291 Mod ✭✭✭✭ magicbastarder


    Can't see our government going for that. More to their shame.
    launch a trial where the location of the crime and those on trial are all outside the jurisdiction?
    to proceed with a trial would be farcical, even if you agreed with the sentiment.


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,838 ✭✭✭✭ Calahonda52


    wes wrote: »
    Brits have a habit of ignoring their crimes, and covering them up. See operation legacy for example.

    British Justice started in Ireland in 1169.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 240 ✭✭ Yakov P. Golyadkin


    launch a trial where the location of the crime and those on trial are all outside the jurisdiction?
    to proceed with a trial would be farcical, even if you agreed with the sentiment.

    Push for same at a European/International level.


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,946 ✭✭✭✭ alchemist33


    gourcuff wrote: »
    not much coverage in the UK ... guess thats not suprising

    It was the top story on the BBC news site at lunchtime.

    Re the verdict today, I expected more. Like "unlawful killing" or something that would lead to prosecutions. Was that not within the remit of the coroner?


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,946 ✭✭✭✭ alchemist33


    launch a trial where the location of the crime and those on trial are all outside the jurisdiction?
    to proceed with a trial would be farcical, even if you agreed with the sentiment.

    Didn't a French court find Ian Bailey guilty of Sophie Toscan de Plantier's murder in Cork? They didn't get him there in the end, but it served a purpose. It would probably be a much more difficult process in this case though


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,895 ✭✭✭ Hamsterchops


    gourcuff wrote: »
    not much coverage in the UK ...
    guess thats not suprising

    Sky News
    BBC News
    The Times
    The Guardian
    The Telegraph
    Belfast T/Graph

    List is too long to continue

    Loads of coverage gourcuff.


  • Registered Users Posts: 18,463 ✭✭✭✭ BonnieSituation


    launch a trial where the location of the crime and those on trial are all outside the jurisdiction?
    to proceed with a trial would be farcical, even if you agreed with the sentiment.

    Doesn't bother France


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,936 ✭✭✭ Stovepipe


    ...except when you try Frenchmen. remember the Rainbow Warrior trial?


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,725 ✭✭✭✭ wes


    Can't see our government going for that. More to their shame.

    True, our best bet is to elect some who will.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 146 ✭✭ Marco23d


    Can't see our government going for that. More to their shame.

    Our governments could not care less about innocent victims unless they can use them to damage their political opponents.

    The specially-appointed investigation team into the Dublin Monaghan bombings was disbanded in July 1974, two months after the bombings.


    Barron's report noted that the Fine Gael/Labour government of the time "showed little interest in the bombings" and did not do enough to help the investigation."When information was given to them suggesting that the British authorities had intelligence naming the bombers, this was not followed up".

    The Barron report also claimed It failed to put political pressure on the British government to secure better co-operation from the RUC. It was also alleged that the Fine Gael/Labour government caused or allowed the Garda investigation to end prematurely, for fear that the findings would play into the hands of republicans.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 146 ✭✭ Marco23d


    Very little attention given to this on boards, imagine a similar situation involving the IRA the thread would be blown up with people pretending they care about truth and justice.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,144 ✭✭✭ dobman88


    Marco23d wrote: »
    Very little attention given to this on boards, imagine a similar situation involving the IRA the thread would be blown up with people pretending they care about truth and justice.

    Lol. Well played.


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