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Ballymurphy massacre

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Lets say a prayer and hope all the families get the truth they deserve today.

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votecounts

https://twitter.com/UTVNews/status/1392102489093246978

Great news for the families as they were brandished as terrorists in many circles. I wonder though is this the reason the British Government is pushing for the amnesty for Soldiers.

The_Fitz

All 10 victims were "Entirely innocent" the coroner has said.

Marco23d

The recent inquest has today shown that all the victims were shot without justification breaking the British government claim of the last 50 years that the victims were all gunmen and bombers "a good days work by the army" as it was once described.

Another elderly man also died after being subjected to a mock execution by soldiers in front of dozens of men, women and children.

Among the victims were Joan Connolly a 44 year old Mother of 8 shot multiple times she allegedly laid there in a field screaming for help for several hours, one of the other victims were killed as they tried to come to her aid.

Hundreds of other people in the area at the time were also allegedly subjected to violent assualts, soldiers also allegedly beat the corpses of the dead.

The soldiers responsible were later decorated by the Queen as heroes.

Many of the residents in Ballymurphy fled across the border to refugee camps set up by the Republic it remains the largest movement of refugees in Europe since WW2.

Baggly

Mod

3 fairly new threads on the topic merged.

Marco23d

Baggly wrote: »

Mod

3 fairly new threads on the topic merged.

My thread actually went into detail I think that should have been the one that was kept.

Marco23d

The Truth Hurts wrote: »

Lets say a prayer and hope all the families get the truth they deserve today.

My thread was merged with yours do you mind copying and pasting into the OP as it was made after the update and also goes into detail on the events surrounding those couple of days.

Marco23d

The recent inquest has today shown in the last half hour that all the victims were shot without justification breaking the British government claim of the last 50 years that the victims were all gunmen and bombers "a good days work by the army" as it was once described.

Another elderly man also died after being subjected to a mock execution by soldiers in front of dozens of men, women and children.

Among the victims were Joan Connolly a 44 year old Mother of 8 shot multiple times she allegedly laid there in a field screaming for help for several hours, one of the other victims were killed as they tried to come to her aid.

Hundreds of other people in the area at the time were also allegedly subjected to violent assualts, soldiers also allegedly beat the corpses of the dead.

The soldiers responsible were later decorated by the Queen as heroes.

Many of the residents in Ballymurphy fled across the border to refugee camps set up by the Republic it remains the largest movement of refugees in Europe since WW2

Marco23d

Baggly wrote: »

Mod

3 fairly new threads on the topic merged.

The way my thread title is written and also the OP will garner far more attention than this one if you dont mind merging this one with my one instead as this is more of a "best wishes" thread which will die almost instantly as no even has a clue what the "ballymurphy massacre" is people are unlikely to click on it.

gourcuff

not much coverage in the UK ... guess thats not suprising

marvin80

While at the same time the British Government are planning this:

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/british-government-to-give-amnesty-to-soldiers-accused-of-crimes-during-troubles-1.4556528

wes

gourcuff wrote: »

not much coverage in the UK ... guess thats not suprising

Brits have a habit of ignoring their crimes, and covering them up. See operation legacy for example.

wes

marvin80 wrote: »

While at the same time the British Government are planning this:

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/british-government-to-give-amnesty-to-soldiers-accused-of-crimes-during-troubles-1.4556528

**** it, we should put them on trial in absentia then, if they won't do it. They won't see the inside of a cell, but at least we can get the truth out, as the Brits will cover it up otherwise.

LuckyLloyd

Shocking that the families of the victims had to wait this long to have their names cleared.

dobman88

Best wishes to the families. RIP to the innocent victims.

Shebean

Will the new amnesty or whatever not make any justice impossible?

marvin80

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Shocking that the families of the victims had to wait this long to have their names cleared.

It didn't help when you had the likes of Arlene Foster at stuff like this:

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland-assembly-election/dup-leader-arlene-foster-why-i-blocked-plans-to-speed-up-troubles-probes-34683461.html

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wes wrote: »

**** it, we should put them on trial in absentia then, if they won't do it. They won't see the inside of a cell, but at least we can get the truth out, as the Brits will cover it up otherwise.

Can't see our government going for that. More to their shame.

volchitsa

Shebean wrote: »

Will the new amnesty or whatever not make any justice impossible?

What justice? You don’t imagine the British government are going to put their soldiers in jail do you? No matter what the law says.

The amnesty is not what’s been the obstacle up to now.

magicbastarder

Yakov P. Golyadkin wrote: »

Can't see our government going for that. More to their shame.

launch a trial where the location of the crime and those on trial are all outside the jurisdiction?
to proceed with a trial would be farcical, even if you agreed with the sentiment.

Calahonda52

wes wrote: »

Brits have a habit of ignoring their crimes, and covering them up. See operation legacy for example.

British Justice started in Ireland in 1169.

[Deleted User]

magicbastarder wrote: »

launch a trial where the location of the crime and those on trial are all outside the jurisdiction?
to proceed with a trial would be farcical, even if you agreed with the sentiment.

Push for same at a European/International level.

alchemist33

gourcuff wrote: »

not much coverage in the UK ... guess thats not suprising

It was the top story on the BBC news site at lunchtime.

Re the verdict today, I expected more. Like "unlawful killing" or something that would lead to prosecutions. Was that not within the remit of the coroner?

alchemist33

magicbastarder wrote: »

launch a trial where the location of the crime and those on trial are all outside the jurisdiction?
to proceed with a trial would be farcical, even if you agreed with the sentiment.

Didn't a French court find Ian Bailey guilty of Sophie Toscan de Plantier's murder in Cork? They didn't get him there in the end, but it served a purpose. It would probably be a much more difficult process in this case though

Hamsterchops

gourcuff wrote: »

not much coverage in the UK ...
guess thats not suprising

Sky News
BBC News
The Times
The Guardian
The Telegraph
Belfast T/Graph

List is too long to continue

Loads of coverage gourcuff.

BonnieSituation

magicbastarder wrote: »

launch a trial where the location of the crime and those on trial are all outside the jurisdiction?
to proceed with a trial would be farcical, even if you agreed with the sentiment.

Doesn't bother France

Stovepipe

...except when you try Frenchmen. remember the Rainbow Warrior trial?

wes

Yakov P. Golyadkin wrote: »

Can't see our government going for that. More to their shame.

True, our best bet is to elect some who will.

Marco23d

Yakov P. Golyadkin wrote: »

Can't see our government going for that. More to their shame.

Our governments could not care less about innocent victims unless they can use them to damage their political opponents.

The specially-appointed investigation team into the Dublin Monaghan bombings was disbanded in July 1974, two months after the bombings.

Barron's report noted that the Fine Gael/Labour government of the time "showed little interest in the bombings" and did not do enough to help the investigation."When information was given to them suggesting that the British authorities had intelligence naming the bombers, this was not followed up".

The Barron report also claimed It failed to put political pressure on the British government to secure better co-operation from the RUC. It was also alleged that the Fine Gael/Labour government caused or allowed the Garda investigation to end prematurely, for fear that the findings would play into the hands of republicans.

Marco23d

Very little attention given to this on boards, imagine a similar situation involving the IRA the thread would be blown up with people pretending they care about truth and justice.

dobman88

Marco23d wrote: »

Very little attention given to this on boards, imagine a similar situation involving the IRA the thread would be blown up with people pretending they care about truth and justice.

Lol. Well played.