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High bike · 10-05-2021 06:39PM

Kilmallock on fire today anything over 500kg was making 700 with their weight.Amazing what the feed lots can pay when they have to,long may it continue

Sheep breeder · 10-05-2021 10:48PM

leoch wrote: »

i have noticed now aswell in one of our local marts when a dealer is selling... info on the screen dih(days in herd)is always 0 and when the hammer drops its never announced as sold and the buyers name called they just move on to next lot(as its themselves or a cronnie buying it so the auctioneer or mart is in cahoots with them iykwim

Marts have to put up the board for animals with the sellers details as part of their license and is checked by department.All you have to do is not bid if no board is up with the details.On LSL one mart in the south when selling horned cattle the other night and the ring man goes and stands in front of the camera when they come into the ring.

tanko · 10-05-2021 11:27PM

Most marts don’t put up the sellers details as far as i can see on Marteye and LsL.

grassroot1 · 11-05-2021 09:00AM

Sheep breeder wrote: »

Marts have to put up the board for animals with the sellers details as part of their license and is checked by department.All you have to do is not bid if no board is up with the details.On LSL one mart in the south when selling horned cattle the other night and the ring man goes and stands in front of the camera when they come into the ring.

Saw the same on Saturday and they dont always stand in front of the camera

Sami23 · 11-05-2021 09:03AM

tanko wrote: »

Most marts don’t put up the sellers details as far as i can see on Marteye and LsL.

100% correct

Albert Johnson · 11-05-2021 09:12AM

grassroot1 wrote: »

Saw the same on Saturday and they dont always stand in front of the camera

There's no legislation preventing the sale of horned cattle but there is protocol to be followed regarding penning them separately from other cattle in the mart. Horned cattle are not to be mixed with other cattle due to the risk of injury and they should be kept separate at all times in the mart. Granted some marts refuse to accept horned stock and may have signage to that effect present, however that's an individual mart decision and not a department one. Department officials are within the law to stop the sale of animals with only 1 tag but horned stock are entitled to be sold once the relevant protocol is followed.

grassroot1 · 11-05-2021 09:40AM

Albert Johnson wrote: »

There's no legislation preventing the sale of horned cattle but there is protocol to be followed regarding penning them separately from other cattle in the mart. Horned cattle are not to be mixed with other cattle due to the risk of injury and they should be kept separate at all times in the mart. Granted some marts refuse to accept horned stock and may have signage to that effect present, however that's an individual mart decision and not a department one. Department officials are within the law to stop the sale of animals with only 1 tag but horned stock are entitled to be sold once the relevant protocol is followed.

Have to disagree with you there
http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2014/si/111/made/en/print

Albert Johnson · 11-05-2021 09:45AM

grassroot1 wrote: »

Have to disagree with you there
http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2014/si/111/made/en/print

Read ammendment 3 E of the above.

tanko · 11-05-2021 09:46AM

About fifteen years ago i was selling a heifer with a butt of a horn, the department lad took her card from the mart office and told me i couldn’t sell her.
Has to bring her home.

Has the rule changed since or does it just depend on who happens to be in the mart on the day?

Jb1989 · 11-05-2021 09:48AM

Albert Johnson wrote: »

Read ammendment 3 E of the above.

You should of been a solicitor.
Its amazeing how the fine print can derail the original heading.

Cavanjack · 11-05-2021 09:59AM

tanko wrote: »

About fifteen years ago i was selling a heifer with a butt of a horn, the department lad took her card from the mart office and told me i couldn’t sell her.
Has to bring her home.

Has the rule changed since or does it just depend on who happens to be in the mart on the day?

I am buying horned cattle every week out of marts. They seem to be penned separately alright.

Albert Johnson · 11-05-2021 10:19AM

tanko wrote: »

About fifteen years ago i was selling a heifer with a butt of a horn, the department lad took her card from the mart office and told me i couldn’t sell her.
Has to bring her home.

Has the rule changed since or does it just depend on who happens to be in the mart on the day?

The document Grassroot has kindly linked above dates from 2014. I've forgotten what the official stance on the issue prior to this was so in short I don't know whether the department official was right or wrong in your case.

I've seen similar to happen in recent year's (post 2014) and the department official was proven to be in the wrong when the legislation was consulted. Provided the relevant protocol is followed then there's nothing preventing the sale of horned cattle from the departments perspective, however the mart is still within there rights to refuse admission to such stock but that's an individual mart decision. It's important to keep in mind that state officials aren't always up to date with relevant legislation and there not immune to error any more than us mere mortals.

patsy_mccabe · 11-05-2021 10:35AM

Nothing, wrong with horns. This guy made €2,900 at the recent Roscrea Premier sale.

Surprised they allowed him to be sold.

https://twitter.com/irishlimousin/status/1389213887455764486

Base price · 11-05-2021 11:29AM

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Nothing, wrong with horns. This guy made €2,900 at the recent Roscrea Premier sale.
Surprised they allowed him to be sold.

https://twitter.com/irishlimousin/status/1389213887455764486

The 2014 legislation does not apply to pedigree animals/bull entered in a herd book from what I read of the link that grassroot posted.

Here is a link from DAFM for best practice for marts dealing with horned cattle
https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/e881c-animal-welfare/#horned-cattle

Bass Reeves · 11-05-2021 11:53AM

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Nothing, wrong with horns. This guy made €2,900 at the recent Roscrea Premier sale.
Surprised they allowed him to be sold.

https://twitter.com/irishlimousin/status/1389213887455764486

You do not have to dehorn pedigree cattle AFAIK

Cavanjack · 11-05-2021 12:26PM

You’d imagine you would be limiting your customers with a horned bull.

Sacrolyte · 11-05-2021 02:02PM

Horned cattle are better off being sold so the purchaser you would think would see to it that the horns were removed because the seller obviously couldn’t be ars@d.

Albert Johnson · 11-05-2021 02:23PM

Sacrolyte wrote: »

Horned cattle are better off being sold so the purchaser you would think would see to it that the horns were removed because the seller obviously couldn’t be ars@d.

Without knowing the circumstances it's hard to judge, ill health, bereavement ect can mean that routine jobs aren't always completed as normal despite best intentions. That's not to say that some lad's can never do anything right and always have horned, wild, uncastrated stock or whatever. There's one time to take horns off and that's when the animal is a calf. It's far easier on man and beast and I can't think of any practical reason apart from laziness that is in favour of keeping horns on adult cattle.

Cavanjack · 11-05-2021 02:40PM

Albert Johnson wrote: »

Without knowing the circumstances it's hard to judge, ill health, bereavement ect can mean that routine jobs aren't always completed as normal despite best intentions. That's not to say that some lad's can never do anything right and always have horned, wild, uncastrated stock or whatever. There's one time to take horns off and that's when the animal is a calf. It's far easier on man and beast and I can't think of any practical reason apart from laziness that is in favour of keeping horns on adult cattle.

Couldn’t agree more.
Hear lads saying “I didn’t have time when they were calves to dehorn them”. Then they’ll spend half a Saturday rounding up cattle and skulling them, driving them crazy. Then another while tying ropes to their head to stop the bleeding.

grassroot1 · 11-05-2021 03:00PM

Albert Johnson wrote: »

The document Grassroot has kindly linked above dates from 2014. I've forgotten what the official stance on the issue prior to this was so in short I don't know whether the department official was right or wrong in your case.

I've seen similar to happen in recent year's (post 2014) and the department official was proven to be in the wrong when the legislation was consulted. Provided the relevant protocol is followed then there's nothing preventing the sale of horned cattle from the departments perspective, however the mart is still within there rights to refuse admission to such stock but that's an individual mart decision. It's important to keep in mind that state officials aren't always up to date with relevant legislation and there not immune to error any more than us mere mortals.

I was in charge of cattle for an employer and the department would not let them through a sale badly done as calves. I always presumed it was an offence to present them I stand corrected

patsy_mccabe · 11-05-2021 03:14PM

I dehorn calves now for 4 of my neighbours. They all say there is no comparison with doing them as calves compared to yearlings. 3cc of adrenacaine and it's no bother, when they are at the right age. Did a few now that were around 2 months old, as they were bought in and it was torture trying to do them. Horns way too big.

Albert Johnson · 11-05-2021 04:39PM

Cavanjack wrote: »

Couldn’t agree more.
Hear lads saying “I didn’t have time when they were calves to dehorn them”. Then they’ll spend half a Saturday rounding up cattle and skulling them, driving them crazy. Then another while tying ropes to their head to stop the bleeding.

I usually get wrangled into helping at such jobs, haltering them and generally engaging in hardship for both man and beast. There's no comparison in that compared to disbudding as calves and tbh skulling is rooting of the highest order. Between wrestling with them at the time, trying to watch for bleeding and flies afterwards and putting them in again to take off twines or reapplying Stockholm tar or ect it would be far easier and more humane to do them as sucks.

Sami23 · 11-05-2021 09:11PM

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

I dehorn calves now for 4 of my neighbours. They all say there is no comparison with doing them as calves compared to yearlings. 3cc of adrenacaine and it's no bother, when they are at the right age.

How young would dehorn them ?
Reason I'm asking is I've 2 here calved in the last week and would like to dehorn them before letting them out

ruwithme · 11-05-2021 09:26PM

Local mart here isn't displaying the catalogue in advance throughout the sale.why might this be?see other marts do display in advance & throughout the sale.

50HX · 11-05-2021 09:29PM

Sami23 wrote: »

How young would dehorn them ?
Reason I'm asking is I've 2 here calved in the last week and would like to dehorn them before letting them out

As soon as you can feel them, off with them

varies with breeds but i've done them at 5 days

Base price · 11-05-2021 09:52PM

ruwithme wrote: »

Local mart here isn't displaying the catalogue in advance throughout the sale.why might this be?see other marts do display in advance & throughout the sale.

Some marts may not have paid extra for that service?

A mart that we've occasionally bought online from have never had a catalogue since the beginning of online sales.

High bike · 11-05-2021 09:59PM

Sami23 wrote: »

How young would dehorn them ?
Reason I'm asking is I've 2 here calved in the last week and would like to dehorn them before letting them out

Depends on the calf here some are later to show horns than others but usually 2/3 weeks

Dunedin · 11-05-2021 10:23PM

Sami23 wrote: »

How young would dehorn them ?
Reason I'm asking is I've 2 here calved in the last week and would like to dehorn them before letting them out

I’ve done them as young as two days. Literally do them as soon as I can feel the buds. It’s limo here and the average is 5 days I do them. Don’t scoop out just ring them.

patsy_mccabe · 11-05-2021 10:36PM

Sami23 wrote: »

How young would dehorn them ?
Reason I'm asking is I've 2 here calved in the last week and would like to dehorn them before letting them out

It depends a lot on breed and gender. I find around 3 to 5 weeks works best here for limousins.

Base price · 11-05-2021 10:50PM

Dunedin wrote: »

I’ve done them as young as two days. Literally do them as soon as I can feel the buds. It’s limo here and the average is 5 days I do them. Don’t scoop out just ring them.

Are you fookin serious.
God help the poor calves :mad:

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