F1 2021 Round 4 : Spanish Grand Prix

Itssoeasy · 08-05-2021 3:12pm

100 pole positions for Hamilton. Bottas and verstappen didn’t do the job.

namloc1980 · 08-05-2021 3:12pm

Bit of an anticlimax there. Top 3 didn't go any faster.

Harika · 08-05-2021 3:12pm

Harika wrote: »

Same game with second red bull.

With all the admiration of Perez last year and all the damnation of Bottas. Fourth race and he is again in a position to assist Hamilton while Perez is nowhere.

artanevilla · 08-05-2021 3:12pm

Still we rise guys, still we rise.

Adamocovic · 08-05-2021 3:13pm

Crofty going off like Perez was going to snatch pole and going mad when he “couldn’t beat” Lewis.

Sergio was a second off the pace. Was never in fear.

Jordan 199 · 08-05-2021 3:13pm

Another great result for Ocon, qualifying fifth.

Joeface · 08-05-2021 3:13pm

interesting , Very good from Ocon and Charles L .

The rest was flat again . Second weekend where only on or 2 in the final run improved

Inquitus · 08-05-2021 3:13pm

Fair play to Hamilton, I didn't see that coming! The harder Red Bull try they just seem to come up oh so short......

waynescales1 · 08-05-2021 3:15pm

And once again Verstappen has to battle both Mercs without help from his teammate. RB will again be on the strategic backfoot on race day.

Zookey123 · 08-05-2021 3:15pm

100 poles for Lewis, Legend!

08-05-2021 3:16pm

Inquitus wrote: »

Fair play to Hamilton, I didn't see that coming! The harder Red Bull try they just seem to come up oh so short......

Yes, very disappointing alright. Now we will have to endure the most biased commentary know to man. I’m hopeful that Max can win tomorrow and save F1 from a complete implosion due to the Mercedes car advantage.

Inquitus · 08-05-2021 3:18pm

2011 wrote: »

I’m hopeful that Max can win tomorrow and save F1 from a complete implosion due to the Mercedes car advantage.

I really don't think Merc have a car advantage any more, I think the RB and Silver Arrows are very finely matched this season and results have turned on the smallest of things and hopefully continue too as well!

waynescales1 · 08-05-2021 3:19pm

Does Pedro De La Rosa have a twin brother named Paul?

Indestructable · 08-05-2021 3:20pm

The first two races this year were phenomenal and it did actually look like a decent season was on the cards.
Last week in Portugal and now this qualifying, and it looks like business as usual. Ominous and disappointing.

namloc1980 · 08-05-2021 3:20pm

Inquitus wrote: »

I really don't think Merc have a car advantage any more, I think the RB and Silver Arrows are very finely matched this season and results have turned on the smallest of things and hopefully continue too as well!

The Red Bull with Max behind the wheel is a match for the Merc. Perez once again nowhere near the front to help his teammate.

Joeface · 08-05-2021 3:23pm

Should Max have stayed where he was and gone for a clean pole lap instead of racing up to be behind the 2 Mercedes .

Inquitus · 08-05-2021 3:24pm

namloc1980 wrote: »

The Red Bull with Max behind the wheel is a match for the Merc. Perez once again nowhere near the front to help his teammate.

I agree, but that's a problem Red Bull have created themselves and you can't blame anyone else for that. They have built their car soo much around Max they have been unable to unearth anyone since Danny Ric who could get the same out of the car as Max does. If RB had their own Bottas they'd be laughing, someone who can put the car reliably on the front 2 rows, get the odd Pole here and there and give the team a level tactical playing field each GP weekend.

klose · 08-05-2021 3:31pm

Bit like last week when nobody really improved in their second lap, perez making things difficult again for himself for the race. Ocon quietly motoring along the last couple weeks and Danny ric with a bit of redemption after last week

waynescales1 · 08-05-2021 3:32pm

Inquitus wrote: »

I agree, but that's a problem Red Bull have created themselves and you can't blame anyone else for that. They have built their car soo much around Max they have been unable to unearth anyone since Danny Ric who could get the same out of the car as Max does. If RB had their own Bottas they'd be laughing, someone who can put the car reliably on the front 2 rows, get the odd Pole here and there and give the team a level tactical playing field each GP weekend.

Ricciardo leaving RB is a move that worked for nobody.

Irishjg · 08-05-2021 3:34pm

Inquitus wrote: »

I agree, but that's a problem Red Bull have created themselves and you can't blame anyone else for that. They have built their car soo much around Max they have been unable to unearth anyone since Danny Ric who could get the same out of the car as Max does. If RB had their own Bottas they'd be laughing, someone who can put the car reliably on the front 2 rows, get the odd Pole here and there and give the team a level tactical playing field each GP weekend.

What a great point about Bottas. He consistently qualifies near or on the front row. He gets a lot of stick from a lot of people including me but putting it into perspective compared to Red Bull as a team well said.

klose · 08-05-2021 3:59pm

waynescales1 wrote: »

Ricciardo leaving RB is a move that worked for nobody.

Bar ricciardos Bank account

Jordan 199 · 08-05-2021 4:35pm

klose wrote: »

Bar ricciardos Bank account

I think he got paid more at Renault.

MadYaker · 08-05-2021 4:45pm

Hopefully we get a decent scrap between Max and Lewis at the start.

El_Duderino 09 · 08-05-2021 5:13pm

Inquitus wrote: »

I really don't think Merc have a car advantage any more, I think the RB and Silver Arrows are very finely matched this season and results have turned on the smallest of things and hopefully continue too as well!

Another way to look at is to see how you rank bottas and Perez against each other as drivers, And then see how they're doing against each other. Given that perez isn't looking fast and bottas is well ahead of him, either bottas is a lot faster than Perez or the Mercedes is faster than RB.

I think the Mercedes is considerably faster and max is making the cars look similar by driving it so well. I think that also explains why gasley and Albon have performed so poorly in the second car. I think those lads reflect the car's pace in the hands of normal decent drivers. But max makes it look like they're messing up.

Red bull want to believe they're making brilliant cars so they take it out on the second driver. I think it only looks close because is max making up the difference between the cars.

Inquitus · 08-05-2021 5:30pm

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Another way to look at is to see how you rank bottas and Perez against each other as drivers, And then see how they're doing against each other. Given that perez isn't looking fast and bottas is well ahead of him, either bottas is a lot faster than Perez or the Mercedes is faster than RB.

I think the Mercedes is considerably faster and max is making the cars look similar by driving it so well. I think that also explains why gasley and Albon have performed so poorly in the second car. I think those lads reflect the car's pace in the hands of normal decent drivers. But max makes it look like they're messing up.

Red bull want to believe they're making brilliant cars so they take it out on the second driver. I think it only looks close because is max making up the difference between the cars.

How do you explain Danny Ric's performances against Max then? In the same car?

https://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433/11363892/daniel-ricciardo-v-max-verstappen-two-years-as-red-bull-team-mates

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Frank Bullitt · 08-05-2021 5:42pm

Indestructable wrote: »

The first two races this year were phenomenal and it did actually look like a decent season was on the cards.
Last week in Portugal and now this qualifying, and it looks like business as usual. Ominous and disappointing.

1:16.741 to a 1:16.777, not sure why that is either ominous or disappointing. It was nearly 5 times that gap last year.

chicorytip · 08-05-2021 5:43pm

Perez has one pole position to his credit, does he not? I think neither Albon nor Gasly came close to managing that for RB. So, Perez is a significant upgrade on those two although a bit flaky and prone to making the odd silly mistake like today's.

El_Duderino 09 · 08-05-2021 5:51pm

Inquitus wrote: »

How do you explain Danny Ric's performances against Max then? In the same car?

https://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433/11363892/daniel-ricciardo-v-max-verstappen-two-years-as-red-bull-team-mates

I dont explain it. Explain it how? It's a while ago now. If I were to describe it I'd say they were pretty similar over their two seasons (Ric slightly ahead by most metrics) together when max was a relative rookie.

What's the point you're making about today's cars?

klose · 08-05-2021 5:53pm

https://twitter.com/wtf1official/status/1391071385263484930?s=19

Not that it makes any difference as he was last anyways, but another penalty point on his licence before the 4th race has even started, is it 12 points to getting a suspension? Fitipaldi will be getting another spin you'd imagine.

Joeface · 08-05-2021 5:57pm

Was that for blocking Lando . Cause there were a few others involved in That and he had zero choice really but to try push .

F1 2021 Round 4 : Spanish Grand Prix

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