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Ireland u20 6 nations and world championship 2021

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    #242
    Lost Ormond
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    theVersatile wrote: »
    Richie Murphy the new U20 Head Coach

    https://twitter.com/IrishRugby/status/1376519826714337285?s=19

    Interesting appointment. Had previously been Elite dev officer and having spent such long time in skills role with senior national side will be of such high value for the players at this level coming through the next couple of years


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    #243
    ionadnapokot
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    Riddle solved! Big promotion for Murphy.
    I have had my reservations about his exact role was with the senior side mainly because our kicking strategy and execution had fallen behind the curve in 2019 & 2020. Plus the senior teams handling and passing skills were never exceptional either - Unlike Wales who got better and better as a tournament went on. Ireland appeared to get worse...and then they thumped England!
    In fairness Richie may have had limited input/responsibility in that role.
    Hopefully it works out well.


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    #244
    Lucas44
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    ionadnapokot wrote: »
    Riddle solved! Big promotion for Murphy.
    I have had my reservations about his exact role was with the senior side mainly because our kicking strategy and execution had fallen behind the curve in 2019 & 2020. Plus the senior teams handling and passing skills were never exceptional either - Unlike Wales who got better and better as a tournament went on. Ireland appeared to get worse...and then they thumped England!
    In fairness Richie may have had limited input/responsibility in that role.
    Hopefully it works out well.


    Wouldnt go that far he hasn’t much hc experience asfaik but hey just in time to pick his son for the 6nations.. can see this being a bit of an caretaker manager role until they get a long term candidate in


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    #245
    ionadnapokot
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    Lucas44 wrote: »
    Wouldnt go that far he hasn’t much hc experience asfaik but hey just in time to pick his son for the 6nations.. can see this being a bit of an caretaker manager role until they get a long term candidate in

    The riddle for me was Campbell and Carolan leaving their provinces and McNamara staying at Leinster. Also probable addition to the senior side coaching staff possible with Murphy taking this role now.


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    #246
    Dubinusa
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    I just realized that the following all turn 30 this year!
    PJ
    Mick Kearney
    Conway
    Gilroy
    Treacy
    TOH
    where did the time go?


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    #247
    Hey boy
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    Any names up for this weekend's camp?


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    #248
    theVersatile
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    Hey boy wrote: »
    Any names up for this weekend's camp?

    Anyone know any attendees?


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    #249
    Dubinusa
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    When is the u20 6nations?


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    #250
    theVersatile
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    Dubinusa wrote: »
    When is the u20 6nations?

    I don't think a set in stone date was ever decided - some time in the Summer is all anyone can say until the IRFU come out and give a bit more info out.

    Unless there's anyone ITK?


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    #251
    FrannoFan
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    theVersatile wrote: »
    Anyone know any attendees?

    No idea but I get the impression it was extensive as coaches have so little to go on


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    #252
    Squidgy Black
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    theVersatile wrote: »
    I don't think a set in stone date was ever decided - some time in the Summer is all anyone can say until the IRFU come out and give a bit more info out.

    Unless there's anyone ITK?

    Was supposed to be starting the 19th of June over 3 weeks instead of 6, but have heard they're still waiting to see what happens with travel guidelines etc as they won't get exemptions for it.


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    #253
    Lost Ormond
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    Dubinusa wrote: »
    When is the u20 6nations?
    June but nothing confirmed due to waiting about restrictions
    FrannoFan wrote: »
    No idea but I get the impression it was extensive as coaches have so little to go on

    Yeah even last season ended early. Could change a lot of who might have been expected to be in the squad based on u18 rugby


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    #254
    Hey boy
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    FrannoFan wrote: »
    No idea but I get the impression it was extensive as coaches have so little to go on

    Plus head coach has left which won't have helped.


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    #255
    RuPi
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    Article on the IRFU site that with those who attended the camp. I would imagine these are all players outside of their senior squads training bubbles as certainly from Ulster there is a few names missing who are training with Seniors.

    https://www.irishrugby.ie/2021/05/03/ireland-u20s-talent-camp-held-at-irfu-hpc/amp/?__twitter_impression=true


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    #256
    Lost Ormond
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    RuPi wrote: »
    Article on the IRFU site that with those who attended the camp. I would imagine these are all players outside of their senior squads training bubbles as certainly from Ulster there is a few names missing who are training with Seniors.

    https://www.irishrugby.ie/2021/05/03/ireland-u20s-talent-camp-held-at-irfu-hpc/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

    Most certainly and with no rugby having been played all season any involved in senior squads will not be involved as it allows far more players get looked at and actually play some rugby


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    #257
    Hey boy
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    RuPi wrote: »
    Article on the IRFU site that with those who attended the camp. I would imagine these are all players outside of their senior squads training bubbles as certainly from Ulster there is a few names missing who are training with Seniors.

    https://www.irishrugby.ie/2021/05/03/ireland-u20s-talent-camp-held-at-irfu-hpc/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

    Presumably academy is ranked higher than NTS which is ranked higher than PTS?


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    #258
    Lost Ormond
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    Hey boy wrote: »
    Presumably academy is ranked higher than NTS which is ranked higher than PTS?
    Academy players are contracted to provinces.
    National Talent Squad’ [NTS] is the most promising young players in the country from the ages of 15 to 20 who aren’t yet in the academies, and the ‘Provincial Talent Squad’ [PTS] is a wider pool of players around the country with potential to join each of the other set ups


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    #259
    FrannoFan
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    Lost Ormond wrote: »
    Academy players are contracted to provinces.
    National Talent Squad’ [NTS] is the most promising young players in the country from the ages of 15 to 20 who aren’t yet in the academies, and the ‘Provincial Talent Squad’ [PTS] is a wider pool of players around the country with potential to join each of the other set ups

    Was wondering what those acronyms were. Thanks for that.

    Hopefully it's a step to an informal "draft" where a player not being picked up by his native province is still charted and perhaps a different province snaps them up.


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    starkid
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    Temi Adewunmi Lasisi

    name i haven't heard?

    Looks a big unit, any word on the lad?

    good to see a bit of diversity in the squad. Probably about time for it.


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    #261
    Number 137
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    starkid wrote: »
    Temi Adewunmi Lasisi

    name i haven't heard?

    Looks a big unit, any word on the lad?

    good to see a bit of diversity in the squad. Probably about time for it.

    He has come through the youths pathway, out of Enniscorthy. I think he is a hooker.


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    #262
    realhorrorshow
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    I wonder why there were so few Connacht players involved.


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    #263
    Wegians89
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    realhorrorshow wrote: »
    I wonder why there were so few Connacht players involved.

    Assume cathal Forde, Darragh Murray, donncha Byrne and Oisin McCormack would be involved but training with senior squad recently


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    #264
    Lost Ormond
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    FrannoFan wrote: »
    Was wondering what those acronyms were. Thanks for that.

    Hopefully it's a step to an informal "draft" where a player not being picked up by his native province is still charted and perhaps a different province snaps them up.

    The players not picked up by native province still being assessed and snapped up is happening and has for a while. Connacht have had open assessments for their interpros from u19s up and always looking further afield. others are as well.
    starkid wrote: »
    Temi Adewunmi Lasisi

    name i haven't heard?

    Looks a big unit, any word on the lad?

    good to see a bit of diversity in the squad. Probably about time for it.

    Diversity... plenty been involved in various irish and provincial age grade squads for some time.
    realhorrorshow wrote: »
    I wonder why there were so few Connacht players involved.

    Any players in particular you think should be involved?


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    #265
    realhorrorshow
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    Lost Ormond wrote: »
    The players not picked up by native province still being assessed and snapped up is happening and has for a while. Connacht have had open assessments for their interpros from u19s up and always looking further afield. others are as well.



    Diversity... plenty been involved in various irish and provincial age grade squads for some time.



    Any players in particular you think should be involved?

    I'm not making any assertions as to who should or shouldn't be involved. I would have expected Darragh Murray, Oisin McCormack, Donnacha Byrne, Hubert Costelloe, Matthew Devine, Cathal Force, and Shane Jennings to be there or thereabouts but if training with Connacht is deemed to take priority that's fair enough.

    This year's crop is Connacht's strongest in years so I am hopeful come the JRWC we will have more players involved than we have had in recent years.


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    #266
    Squidgy Black
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    realhorrorshow wrote: »
    I'm not making any assertions as to who should or shouldn't be involved. I would have expected Darragh Murray, Oisin McCormack, Donnacha Byrne, Hubert Costelloe, Matthew Devine, Cathal Force, and Shane Jennings to be there or thereabouts but if training with Connacht is deemed to take priority that's fair enough.

    This year's crop is Connacht's strongest in years so I am hopeful come the JRWC we will have more players involved than we have had in recent years.

    A fair few of those lads are overage this year no? Jennings, McCormack and Forde are


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    #267
    realhorrorshow
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    Squidgy Black wrote: »
    A fair few of those lads are overage this year no? Jennings, McCormack and Forde are

    Pretty sure all I mentioned are u20 apart from Devine who is u19. Jennings, McCormack and Force were all born in 2001.


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    #268
    Squidgy Black
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    realhorrorshow wrote: »
    Pretty sure all I mentioned are u20 apart from Devine who is u19. Jennings, McCormack and Force were all born in 2001.

    Could be wrong but the cutoff for turning 20 is July I think, all 3 already turned 20.


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    #269
    Lost Ormond
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    Squidgy Black wrote: »
    Could be wrong but the cutoff for turning 20 is July I think, all 3 already turned 20.

    No international rugby for quite some time has been January 1st. Its only club rugby at 20s and 18s thats July 1st and thats 20.5s and 18.5s.


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    Squidgy Black
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    Lost Ormond wrote: »
    No international rugby for quite some time has been January 1st. Its only club rugby at 20s and 18s thats July 1st and thats 20.5s and 18.5s.

    Ah that's my bad so wasn't aware it was different to the old clubs 20s.


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    #271
    ionadnapokot
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    starkid wrote: »
    Temi Adewunmi Lasisi

    name i haven't heard?

    Looks a big unit, any word on the lad?

    good to see a bit of diversity in the squad. Probably about time for it.

    Lasisi!
    Reminds me of the fella who played in Serie A in the golden years.
    He loved a chop tackle!
    https://youtu.be/GiGuz0CcoaM?t=88


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