And the winner of dreamer of the year is... Part 2!

CoBo55 · 30-04-2021 12:49PM

CianRyan wrote: »

That's on the money for a clean B16 EG these days.
There seems to be a disconnect with those not clued into the Japanese scene, prices are gone crazy.

Yea sure we're all stupid. It's a boy racer junker in a shiny jacket with no NCT, Japanese scene my hole!!!

Tzardine · 30-04-2021 12:52PM

I know that Jap metal is skyrocketing at the moment, but I dont see this one getting close to 10k.

An original, clean car I could maybe see it happening. But other than a fresh lick of paint (in a chav 'Spoon' spec) the car is quite rough around the edges, particularly the interior - which is the wrong one for the car. Lipstick on a pig IMO.

If you are asking top money like the one above, it needs to be perfect.

Missing seat rails, no NCT (regardless of what he promises), trim pieces missing etc.

I stand by it - dreamer.

CianRyan · 30-04-2021 12:56PM

I noticed he's a local boy to myself too, I don't know him personally but I know loads that do.

Whether you think old Jap cars are "chav" (Ok Britian...) Or not is really irrelevant. They are in demand and EG Civics have a huge following.
So yeah, Japanese car scene, like it or not.
Now off you go in your diesel Audi or what ever you're into, I really don't care.

mad dave · 30-04-2021 12:57PM

http://www.adverts.ie/23662922 16,500 for a 99 Fiesta.

CoBo55 · 30-04-2021 12:58PM

Tzardine wrote: »

I know that Jap metal is skyrocketing at the moment, but I dont see this one getting close to 10k.

An original, clean car I could maybe see it happening. But other than a fresh lick of paint (in a chav 'Spoon' spec) the car is quite rough around the edges, particularly the interior - which is the wrong one for the car. Lipstick on a pig IMO.

If you are asking top money like the one above, it needs to be perfect.

Missing seat rails, no NCT (regardless of what he promises), trim pieces missing etc.

I stand by it - dreamer.

Lipstick on a pig:D I love it!!
Sadly 99% of Irish junkers are in this category.

Tzardine · 30-04-2021 01:01PM

mad dave wrote: »

http://www.adverts.ie/23662922 16,500 for a 99 Fiesta.

Savage. I also have a 99 one in the shed. Its mint a 3 door with even less mileage.

I should put it up for 20k. :pac:

Tzardine · 30-04-2021 01:03PM

CianRyan wrote: »

Now off you go in your diesel Audi or what ever you're into, I really don't care.

Seems like you do. You appear to be quite upset that not everyone agrees with your summation of the Jap car market.

CianRyan · 30-04-2021 01:05PM

Tzardine wrote: »

Seems like you do. You appear to be quite upset that not everyone agrees with your summation of the Jap car market.

There's not much to agree about, it's just a strange unacceptance of the current market by some members here.

I guess I care a little, in so much as it amuses me to see people so clueless.

Like a Supra being over priced at 20k. Jaysus.

Midnight_EG · 30-04-2021 01:11PM

Tzardine wrote: »

Seems like you do. You appear to be quite upset that not everyone agrees with your summation of the Jap car market.

His summation isn't wrong though

Tzardine · 30-04-2021 01:13PM

Midnight_EG wrote: »

His summation isn't wrong though

I dont disagree that the Jap market is strong, and Civics are in demand and getting good money.

IMO the yellow one in particular is a dreamer for the reasons above.

Midnight_EG · 30-04-2021 01:14PM

Tzardine wrote: »

I dont disagree that the Jap market is strong, and Civics are in demand and getting good money.

IMO the yellow one in particular is a dreamer for the reasons above.

Knowing the Honda scene, it isn't... Unfortunately

Cheensbo · 30-04-2021 01:16PM

It's a struggle to even find a yardstick for an eg6 at the moment, not many left. Is this one a genuine shell or a build, it's difficult to tell with the interior comments? I'd be interested to see someone value that one - what's it worth if it's not worth 10k?

Tzardine · 30-04-2021 01:18PM

Midnight_EG wrote: »

Knowing the Honda scene, it isn't... Unfortunately

We will agree to disagree so. i just dont see it for this particular one.

Interestingly it is advertised on DD for 23 days.

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/1994-honda-civic/27745443

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000 · 30-04-2021 01:23PM

I'd be surprised if that civic doesn't go for 10k. You wouldn't build an eg for 10k right now when you factor in buying a shell or non dohc one for 6-7k and then sourcing a fully rebuilt engine and all the other pieces. You just wouldn't.

cpoh1 · 30-04-2021 01:29PM

Tzardine wrote: »

I know that Jap metal is skyrocketing at the moment, but I dont see this one getting close to 10k.

An original, clean car I could maybe see it happening. But other than a fresh lick of paint (in a chav 'Spoon' spec) the car is quite rough around the edges, particularly the interior - which is the wrong one for the car. Lipstick on a pig IMO.

If you are asking top money like the one above, it needs to be perfect.

Missing seat rails, no NCT (regardless of what he promises), trim pieces missing etc.

I stand by it - dreamer.

In 2018 money thats a 3-4k car. With the junk thats going around for big money these days (not just jap stuff) thats a 10k car with the niggles resolved. It might be a little overpriced for the market but not dreamer territory.

The yellow is a rare original honda colour (how is spoon "chav"?)
Rust done and undersealing complete
b16 engine build (if done correctly) is a big draw
Interior is fairly standard (even if its Sir1 v 2)

Its just not an off the wall price no matter how you dress it up.

DelBoy Trotter · 30-04-2021 01:38PM

Midnight_EG wrote: »

His summation isn't wrong though

Midnight_EG wrote: »

Knowing the Honda scene, it isn't... Unfortunately

Agree with Cian and Midnight_EG on this. Even though it does look a bit rough around the edges, 10k is pretty much bang on the money for what it will sell for. As a massive Honda fan, it's frustrating, as I'd love a DC2 again as a toy and an Accord Euro R (CL7) as my everyday car, but both are worth big money these days

Cheensbo · 30-04-2021 01:46PM

Slightly OT but without ever seeing it - I'm pretty sure Wibbs has a €20k+ dc2r, it just has to be one of the best in the country.

Midnight_EG · 30-04-2021 01:46PM

Tzardine wrote: »

We will agree to disagree so. i just dont see it for this particular one.

Interestingly it is advertised on DD for 23 days.

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/1994-honda-civic/27745443

The only reason it hasn't sold, is (from experience) he's hard to deal with. A mate of mine sold an EG6 3 weeks ago for 17 grand. You can't get one out of Japan for under 20 without rust or big crash history. Go look, you might not think the market is correct, but it is. Everything JDM is the EXACT same, there's no such thing as a cheap cool car anymore, not like what we got to experience in the last 15-20 years.

The last DC2 I owned, I bought for under 2500 euro and sold for 5k,which was the upper market price at the time. The last S14 I bought owed me €1850 all in, sold it for €8700. My last R34 (non-runner, needed paint plus engine/box) I bought for €4200 and sold for nearly €10,000. The market is different, its not what we remember.

CianRyan · 30-04-2021 01:47PM

It is heartbreaking watching the prices of them grow, I'd love an EG or EK but they have gone beyond what I would spend on a car at this stage of my life.
Even a few years back when I had 5k to spend, they were out of reach.

DelBoy Trotter · 30-04-2021 01:53PM

I bought a DC2 for 10.5k about 12 years ago, sold it about 3 years later for 4.2k. That DC2 is now worth multiples what I sold it for, even with all the extra mileage and everyday wear and tear. I've regretted selling it since I let it go.

The EK shape has always been my favourite Civic shape, but I've resigned myself to never owning an EK9 Type R as the price of them is just mental. I would take a clean Civic SiR EK4 if they were reasonably priced, but the price of them is also hefty these days

hellyeah · 30-04-2021 02:13PM

DelBoy Trotter wrote: »

I bought a DC2 for 10.5k about 12 years ago, sold it about 3 years later for 4.2k. That DC2 is now worth multiples what I sold it for, even with all the extra mileage and everyday wear and tear. I've regretted selling it since I let it go.

The EK shape has always been my favourite Civic shape, but I've resigned myself to never owning an EK9 Type R as the price of them is just mental. I would take a clean Civic SiR EK4 if they were reasonably priced, but the price of them is also hefty these days

Similar story here. Had a black dc2 that I sold in 2011 for about 4k. Standard car too.
Very rarely see them for sale now, must be all locked up in sheds. Regretted seiling it.

Quazzie · 30-04-2021 02:14PM

Cheensbo wrote: »

Slightly OT but without ever seeing it - I'm pretty sure Wibbs has a €20k+ dc2r, it just has to be one of the best in the country.

I've seen it, and yes. It is mint.

Wibbs · 30-04-2021 02:15PM

cpoh1 wrote: »

In 2018 money thats a 3-4k car. With the junk thats going around for big money these days (not just jap stuff) thats a 10k car with the niggles resolved. It might be a little overpriced for the market but not dreamer territory.

With the way the JDM stuff has gone recently and bloody rapidly I'd not be too surprised if it got 8K anyway. That said...

The yellow is a rare original honda colour

But not the original colour to the car. That's a big issue in my book. Then again it's not a very original car that would appeal to collectors so probably not so big a deal, but at that money?

(how is spoon "chav"?)

It's not. They make serious quality parts. Unless it's fake chinesium.

Rust done and undersealing complete

I'd want to see extensive pics of the work carried out. Rust goes deep on them and I've seen pristine looking "repaired" examples that were so rotten in the inside if it were a tooth you'd pull it. Underseal can cover a multitude of sins.

b16 engine build (if done correctly) is a big draw

If done correctly is the biggie. I've seen a few builds done locally over the years that lasted feck all miles before they started to smoke. TBH if my glorified Civic's engine ever went bang, I'd sell the corpse of it to someone who could rebuild it and order a Spoon crate engine and be done with it.

cpoh1 · 30-04-2021 02:25PM

If I was buying that car id have it up on a lift with a screwdriver, thats for sure.

Wibbs · 30-04-2021 02:35PM

Cheensbo wrote: »

Slightly OT but without ever seeing it - I'm pretty sure Wibbs has a €20k+ dc2r, it just has to be one of the best in the country.

Survivor bias.

Ah to be fair it's in pretty good nick and bloody rare in silver. It needs a clutch master cylinder but that's in hand. Badly needs a wash. Like its owner.

Filling to the gunnels with anti rust wax when I bought it(and topping it up annually) made the difference, oil changes every 3000 k helped, that and it being a daily driver. I doubt it's 20k though. 10-12 maybe? Though the prices of them in Japan now... I'd get more selling it to an American or Japanese. Three years ago I put an insurance value on it at 7K and thought I was padding it a bit. Not now it seems.

hellyeah wrote: »

Very rarely see them for sale now, must be all locked up in sheds.

Or returned to iron oxide.
90's JDM car. Earlier.

Midnight_EG wrote: »

A mate of mine sold an EG6 3 weeks ago for 17 grand. You can't get one out of Japan for under 20 without rust or big crash history.

Seventeen thousand beer tokens, for an EG? :eek:

Cheensbo · 30-04-2021 02:38PM

Wibbs wrote: »

Survivor bias. Ah to be fair it's in pretty good nick and bloody rare in silver. It needs a clutch master cylinder but that's in hand. Badly needs a wash. Like its owner. Filling to the gunnels with anti rust wax when I bought it(and topping it up annually) made the difference, oil changes every 3000 k helped, that and it being a daily driver. I doubt it's 20k though. 10-12 maybe? Though the prices of them in Japan now... I'd get more selling it to an American or Japanese. Three years ago I put an insurance value on it at 7K and thought I was padding it a bit. Not now it seems.

I stand by my valuation

, a ragged white one with rough recaros, plenty of hidden rust and eleven billion kms is still a €12k car, and that ain't what yours is!

Midnight_EG · 30-04-2021 02:40PM

Wibbs wrote: »

Seventeen thousand beer tokens, for an EG? :eek:

Same fella sold his EK9 at the same time for... Wait for it... €23,000. Showroom condition, I provided A LOT of brand new genuine parts for him. Not surprisingly, he's replaced them both with an NSX and it saddens me that I'm out of Honda now

Eoinbmw · 30-04-2021 03:55PM

Give it two years and the JDM Bubble will pop once we enter a worldwide recession watch this space !
The JDM market is completely over heating !

CianRyan · 30-04-2021 03:58PM

The same can probably be said for every pocket of the car world if that happens.
If we do end up in a recession it will be massively different to 2008 and I hope I will be able to buy some nice cars. :pac:

Eoinbmw · 30-04-2021 04:02PM

CianRyan wrote: »

The same can probably be said for every pocket of the car world if that happens.
If we do end up in a recession it will be massively different to 2008 and I hope I will be able to buy some nice cars. :pac:

Im saving as we speak

And the winner of dreamer of the year is... Part 2!

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