The social housing list in Dublin

DerekC16 · 29-04-2021 10:46pm #1

According to FOI requests sent out by The Burkean

• In Dublin City, 4,703 individuals out of the 14,672 housing list applicants were born outside the island of Ireland (32%).
• 3,749 of those on the list had no Irish citizenship (25.5%).

• In South Dublin, 2,366 individuals out of the 6,748 housing list applicants were born outside the island of Ireland (35%)
• 1,779 of those on the list had no Irish citizenship (26.4%).
• The top foreign nationalities on the South Dublin housing list were Polish, Nigerian and Bosnian.
• South Dublin County Council have built 365 units of housing since 2014

• Fingal County Council would not provide figures.
• A 2011 council reported stated that 4,108 of the 8,144 housing list applicants were foreign born (50%)
• The council has built 293 units of housing since 2014.

http://www.theburkean.ie/articles/2021/04/29/how-much-of-the-dublin-housing-list-is-foreign-born

Some interesting findings here. I wonder why Fingal Co Council in particular are hiding their figures.

Montage of Feck · 29-04-2021 10:49pm

Bosnian? That's a weird one at number three.

Smee_Again · 29-04-2021 10:50pm

Don’t really care about nationality.

How many are employed?

SEPT 23 1989 · 29-04-2021 10:56pm

so it's an immigration crisis not a housing crisis

Leg End Reject · 29-04-2021 10:57pm

Nationality is irrelevant. If they're not working they don't need to be housed in the most expensive county in the country.

Reserve social housing in high demand areas for lower paid workers. Allow them to live where they can commute easily and at an affordable cost.

whodafunk · 29-04-2021 11:11pm

Smee_Again wrote: »

Don’t really care about nationality.

How many are employed?

Agree 1000%. Well for them

KungPao · 29-04-2021 11:15pm

Leg End Reject wrote: »

Nationality is irrelevant. If they're not working they don't need to be housed in the most expensive county in the country.

Reserve social housing in high demand areas for lower paid workers. Allow them to live where they can commute easily and at an affordable cost.

I'd also say, give the newer builds with their fancy solar panels on the roof to people who contribute to society, instead of suck it dry.

No job, never worked, 7 kids? We have a BER G built in the 70s, in x bad area. Some mould and the likes, but that's the best we can do for you.

jimmycrackcorm · 29-04-2021 11:34pm

Even if the councils could provide enough houses tomorrow to provide for everyone in the list, by the day after that list would find itself with twice as many new applicants.

clytemnestra · 29-04-2021 11:43pm

Leg End Reject wrote: »

Nationality is irrelevant. If they're not working they don't need to be housed in the most expensive county in the country.

Reserve social housing in high demand areas for lower paid workers. Allow them to live where they can commute easily and at an affordable cost.

Nationality is not irrelevant. We don't have enough affordable housing for our own people to rent or buy, and even less social housing. We should not be importing people who can't house themselves and who are a net drain. No Irish person would be housed if they rocked up to Poland or Nigeria with their family, they would be laughed out of it. It's impossible to plan a housing strategy when there is a limitless number of people arriving and demanding that we house them.

end of the road · 30-04-2021 1:03am

Leg End Reject wrote: »

Nationality is irrelevant. If they're not working they don't need to be housed in the most expensive county in the country.

Reserve social housing in high demand areas for lower paid workers. Allow them to live where they can commute easily and at an affordable cost.

if the most expensive county in the country is where they are, then whether they are working or not they can be housed there.
the rest of the country have enough problems of their own in terms of housing without having to take on more people for ideological reasons about expensive counties and all else.

KungPao wrote: »

No job, never worked, 7 kids? We have a BER G built in the 70s, in x bad area. Some mould and the likes, but that's the best we can do for you.

not going to happen, time has moved on from nonsense like this.

Leg End Reject · 30-04-2021 1:14am

end of the road wrote: »

if the most expensive county in the country is where they are, then whether they are working or not they can be housed there.
the rest of the country have enough problems of their own in terms of housing without having to take on more people for ideological reasons about expensive counties and all else.

I didn't say they couldn't be housed there, because they are already.

I said they shouldn't be. Lower paid workers can't afford housing in major cities and are forced to commute because that's where employment opportunities exist.

Yet someone who doesn't work is housed in an area they don't need to be.

No doubt you'll disagree, but I'm just clarifying what I actually said.

Geuze · 30-04-2021 1:20am

I have never been able to clarify:

(1) are we under any obligation to accept non-EU citizens who are resident here onto our social housing waiting list?

Could we remove them from the list?

(2) are we under any obligation to accept EU citizens who are resident here onto our social housing waiting list?

Atlantic Dawn · 30-04-2021 1:22am

If you question this you are flagged as a racialist.

30-04-2021 1:26am

You do know people born outside of Ireland can be Irish

end of the road · 30-04-2021 1:31am

Leg End Reject wrote: »

I didn't say they couldn't be houses there, because they are already.

I said they shouldn't be. Lower paid workers can't afford housing in major cities and are forced to commute because that's where employment opportunities exist.

Yet someone who doesn't work is housed in an area they don't need to be.

No doubt you'll disagree, but I'm just clarifying what I actually said.

i never said you said there couldn't be houses there, i replied to exactly what you did say however.
low payed workers being unable to live in the cities themselves is not an irish specific problem, but you aren't going to solve it by throwing the tiny few won't works on to other areas, you solve it by building houses and that is the only way to do it.
urbanisation is increasing world wide and ireland is no different in that regard, so we are going to have to actually deal with that reality, and just dumping people down the country or wherever isn't going to fly or work as it isn't viable or cost effective, even if the people involved may be a small few won't works.
the people on a housing list in an area need to be in that area as that is where they are, the housing list is the way it is so as to prioritize those in need and insure that local livers are kept in their communities where possible so as to not over burden other areas.
that isn't going to change because outside the cities the housing lists would not be able to cope, without serious funding which would not be affordable.

end of the road · 30-04-2021 1:40am

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

If you question this you are flagged as a racialist.

and yet Geuze has just posed that question and i can bet he won't be labeled anything, because it's not a racist question.

Geuze · 30-04-2021 1:47am

https://www.theburkean.ie/articles/2021/04/29/how-much-of-the-dublin-housing-list-is-foreign-born

It would nearly break your heart.

Like many other people, I face a very high marginal income tax rate, about 60% in my case.

The worker on median FT wages faces a 48.5% marginal income tax rate, very common in Ireland.

To think that my taxes are being used to house people on the list below.

I want to contribute to society, but give me a break.

I buy health insurance for my family, I try to be responsible, I volunteer (in a small way).

But you can only push me so far........Jesus Wept, why are we housing these people when we have a massive shortage of houses?

Why isn't there a sensible political party that will stand up and stop this?

"Unlike other councils South Dublin was able to give us a breakdown of the nationalities applying for public housing. The following list are the leading nationalities on the list per the figures supplied to us.

Nationality Number of Applicants
British 62
Bosnian 228
Latvian 102
Lithuanian 166
Polish 362
Somalian 68
Pakistan 89
Nigerian 239
Iraq 52
Congolese 75
Moldovan 51

Eric Cartman · 30-04-2021 5:26am

Smee_Again wrote: »

Don’t really care about nationality.

How many are employed?

8% full time
63% only welfare

Eric Cartman · 30-04-2021 5:29am

Geuze wrote: »

https://www.theburkean.ie/articles/2021/04/29/how-much-of-the-dublin-housing-list-is-foreign-born

It would nearly break your heart.

Like many other people, I face a very high marginal income tax rate, about 60% in my case.

The worker on median FT wages faces a 48.5% marginal income tax rate, very common in Ireland.

To think that my taxes are being used to house people on the list below.

I want to contribute to society, but give me a break.

I buy health insurance for my family, I try to be responsible, I volunteer (in a small way).

But you can only push me so far........Jesus Wept, why are we housing these people when we have a massive shortage of houses?

Why isn't there a sensible political party that will stand up and stop this?

"Unlike other councils South Dublin was able to give us a breakdown of the nationalities applying for public housing. The following list are the leading nationalities on the list per the figures supplied to us.

Nationality Number of Applicants
British 62
Bosnian 228
Latvian 102
Lithuanian 166
Polish 362
Somalian 68
Pakistan 89
Nigerian 239
Iraq 52
Congolese 75
Moldovan 51

I wasnt aware we had so many bosnians

Buddy Bubs · 30-04-2021 5:58am

If I was looking to buy my first house and seeing prices going the way they are and then knew where the demand was coming from driving those prices, I'd be rightly pissed off.
Didn't add up the numbers in that list of foreigners here but if you added that to the thousands of irish, you realise its the government you voted for that you are competing with for a house. I did actually vote for this government, but when you think about it, it's lunacy.
Luckily, I have a house and it's increasing in value because of this but I'd prefer working irish and working immigrants to be housed properly or be able to buy a house than what's going on.
That's before you even consider the REITs.

kooreczka · 30-04-2021 6:20am

We're an immigrants and we have been here working hard for last 16 years trying to buy a place which seems impossible and we both have decent jobs saving every penny and taking overtime or night shifts. There are people who haven't worked day in their life getting brand new half million worth apartments for a small fracture of what their neighbours who bought places have to pay. It's not immigrants it's the government who steals right to buy our own place by giving it to people who don't mostly pay taxes and enjoy easy life regardless what nationality they are..

suicide_circus · 30-04-2021 6:47am

A lot of Bosnians came in during the mid 90s for obvious reasons, are these the same cohort 25 years later?

suicide_circus · 30-04-2021 6:57am

kooreczka wrote: »

We're an immigrants and we have been here working hard for last 16 years trying to buy a place which seems impossible and we both have decent jobs saving every penny and taking overtime or night shifts. There are people who haven't worked day in their life getting brand new half million worth apartments for a small fracture of what their neighbours who bought places have to pay. It's not immigrants it's the government who steals right to buy our own place by giving it to people who don't mostly pay taxes and enjoy easy life regardless what nationality they are..

More people dependant on the state, the larger the state needs to be, the more taxes the state needs to extract from workers, the more people become dependant on the state. The beurocracy is a self propagating machine, comrade.

RacoonQueen · 30-04-2021 7:02am

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If anything that article just shows how little the government actually care, would be interesting to see 2018 > 2020 numbers but housing list numbers were just as high in the 3 years this covers and only 322 houses built by DCC.

This can't possibly cover all the people housed each of these years, only about 500 in 2016?

DLR a total of 243 units had been constructed. There has been one of the DLR allocated apartments in my estate lying empty since well before Christmas. You can see into the place, it's in perfect condition. What are they at.

30-04-2021 7:05am

suicide_circus wrote: »

A lot of Bosnians came in during the mid 90s for obvious reasons, are these the same cohort 25 years later?

Jesus, 25 years on a housing list, something would be very wrong there.

Wanderer78 · 30-04-2021 7:10am

suicide_circus wrote:

More people dependant on the state, the larger the state needs to be, the more taxes the state needs to extract from workers, the more people become dependant on the state. The beurocracy is a self propagating machine, comrade.

The money supply plays a major role in house prices, generally this largely comes from the private sector, in the form of credit, but our government in their 'wisdom', has decided to also get in on the game, by providing even more money to buyers, so they can further outbid each other, shur what could possibly go wrong!

The bulk of the debts required to solve this must in fact remain on the public balance sheet, in order to break this normally credit fueled boom bust cycle, and if managed correctly, there may not even be a need to increase taxes, but since we continually elect fiscal conservatives, that's highly unlikely to happen, so on we go, doing the same thing, over and over......

suicide_circus · 30-04-2021 7:33am

Leg End Reject wrote: »

Nationality is irrelevant.

It's relevant in the context of the current government's demented policy of actively trying to increase immigration and assign own door accommodation to asylum seekers while already not having enough social housing.

Gloomtastic! · 30-04-2021 7:35am

Eric Cartman wrote: »

I wasnt aware we had so many bosnians

Where are the Roma on the list? Are they calling themselves Bosnian perhaps?

30-04-2021 7:36am

Gloomtastic! wrote: »

Where are the Roma on the list? Are they calling themselves Bosnian perhaps?

Why would they? Wouldn't make any sense

Gloomtastic! · 30-04-2021 7:42am

bubblypop wrote: »

Why would they? Wouldn't make any sense

Well where are they on the list? You can’t walk in the centre of Dublin without meeting several of them. Moore St is now Roma Street Central.....

30-04-2021 7:42am

Gloomtastic! wrote: »

Well where are they on the list? You can’t walk in the centre of Dublin without meeting several of them. Moore St is now Roma Street Central.....

Where are travellers in the list?

suicide_circus · 30-04-2021 7:43am

Gloomtastic! wrote: »

Well where are they on the list? You can’t walk in the centre of Dublin without meeting several of them. Moore St is now Roma Street Central.....

Check out the sunflower seed shells all over the ground outside the Ilac entrance

malinheader · 30-04-2021 7:43am

Eric Cartman wrote: »

8% full time
63% only welfare

They have all copped on to how it works now in this country.
The more lazy and needy you portray yourself the more help you get, If you work your on your own even though your getting less than someone on welfare.
Crazy set up.

Gloomtastic! · 30-04-2021 7:43am

bubblypop wrote: »

Where are travellers in the list?

Are shure they’re Irish you know. :rolleyes:

30-04-2021 7:48am

Gloomtastic! wrote: »

Are shure they’re Irish you know. :rolleyes:

Being a member of the travelling or Roma community is protected against discrimination when it comes to housing, so it wouldn't make sense to identify as something else.

tom1ie · 30-04-2021 7:48am

clytemnestra wrote: »

Nationality is not irrelevant. We don't have enough affordable housing for our own people to rent or buy, and even less social housing. We should not be importing people who can't house themselves and who are a net drain. No Irish person would be housed if they rocked up to Poland or Nigeria with their family, they would be laughed out of it. It's impossible to plan a housing strategy when there is a limitless number of people arriving and demanding that we house them.

We need immigration to fund our pensions going forward.
We welcome integrated immigration otherwise the economy doesn’t work.

Jizique · 30-04-2021 7:50am

bubblypop wrote: »

You do know people born outside of Ireland can be Irish

They are also allowed work - we are a soft touch

30-04-2021 7:51am

Jizique wrote: »

They are also allowed work - we are a soft touch

Irish people can get off their backsides and work too. Where do you think people moving to this country learn from?

Jizique · 30-04-2021 7:53am

Gloomtastic! wrote: »

Well where are they on the list? You can’t walk in the centre of Dublin without meeting several of them. Moore St is now Roma Street Central.....

Always makes me smile when I see SF do one of their photo ops down there, is that the height of our ambitions now?

Jizique · 30-04-2021 7:54am

tom1ie wrote: »

We need immigration to fund our pensions going forward.
We welcome integrated immigration otherwise the economy doesn’t work.

Complete BS

Smee_Again · 30-04-2021 7:57am

Eric Cartman wrote: »

8% full time
63% only welfare

Have you a source for that? I’d like to dig into the detail.

Kermit.de.frog · 30-04-2021 8:21am

Eric Cartman wrote: »

8% full time
63% only welfare

That's a truly depressing statistic. Do you have a link?

You should not be allowed immigrate here without a verified job ready for you. Then you have to have remained employed paying taxes throughout for a number of years before access to such services. If you lose employment in the interim you should have to return home.

But that's not the situation here.

The warning signs are flashing red. They couldn't get any bigger or redder that we are doing things wrong. Massive problems being cultivated for the future and few brave enough to say anything.

Eric Cartman · 30-04-2021 8:42am

Ill post it in a bit, ive posted it 50+ times at this stage, its from the governments own stats

Edit , here we are, may aswell put this link in my sig at this stage.

https://assets.gov.ie/44423/39694d6e12664d4083b4249bf4e3f067.pdf

Incomes of social housing :
Social welfare only - 62%
Employment only - 16%

And before you start, pensions and other non working age supports are in ‘other’ that 62% is all able bodied working age people.

30-04-2021 8:53am

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

Even if the councils could provide enough houses tomorrow to provide for everyone in the list, by the day after that list would find itself with twice as many new applicants.

If you build it they will come

30-04-2021 8:54am

tom1ie wrote: »

We need immigration to fund our pensions going forward.
We welcome integrated immigration otherwise the economy doesn’t work.

Nonsense
It's only creating a pyramid scheme

Mike Murdock · 30-04-2021 8:57am

And thanks to O'Gorman's "Brotherhood of Man" migrant strategy, there will be even more and more in the coming years.

Taxpayers of Ireland, prepare to bend over and take it up the ass in new tax increases to fund this ****e.

Eric Cartman · 30-04-2021 8:58am

tom1ie wrote: »

We need immigration to fund our pensions going forward.
We welcome integrated immigration otherwise the economy doesn’t work.

That only works if the immigrants contribute to the economy, non EU migrants make our pensions funding cliff happen faster due to being economic detractors

Wanderer78 · 30-04-2021 9:03am

MikeOxsgreen wrote: »

Nonsense
It's only creating a pyramid scheme

Eric Cartman wrote: »

That only works if the immigrants contribute to the economy, non EU migrants make our pensions funding cliff happen faster due to being economic detractors

they are pyramid schemes anyway, a financial tool used to promise what ultimately cant be achieved via this method, but makes a few very wealthy in the process

30-04-2021 9:04am

Wanderer78 wrote: »

they are pyramid schemes anyway, a financial tool used to promise what ultimately cant be achieved via this method, but makes a few very wealthy in the process

And makes others feel good about themselves

Eric Cartman · 30-04-2021 9:05am

Wanderer78 wrote: »

they are pyramid schemes anyway, a financial tool used to promise what ultimately cant be achieved via this method, but makes a few very wealthy in the process

Im quite confused, we’re talking about funding pensions, not making anyone wealthy

Mike Murdock · 30-04-2021 9:07am

MikeOxsgreen wrote: »

And makes others feel good about themselves

And keep NGOs/Grievance Industry in business

The social housing list in Dublin

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