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The social housing list in Dublin

  • 29-04-2021 9:46pm
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    Registered Users Posts: 183 ✭✭ DerekC16


    According to FOI requests sent out by The Burkean

    • In Dublin City, 4,703 individuals out of the 14,672 housing list applicants were born outside the island of Ireland (32%).
    • 3,749 of those on the list had no Irish citizenship (25.5%).

    • In South Dublin, 2,366 individuals out of the 6,748 housing list applicants were born outside the island of Ireland (35%)
    • 1,779 of those on the list had no Irish citizenship (26.4%).
    • The top foreign nationalities on the South Dublin housing list were Polish, Nigerian and Bosnian.
    • South Dublin County Council have built 365 units of housing since 2014

    • Fingal County Council would not provide figures.
    • A 2011 council reported stated that 4,108 of the 8,144 housing list applicants were foreign born (50%)
    • The council has built 293 units of housing since 2014.

    http://www.theburkean.ie/articles/2021/04/29/how-much-of-the-dublin-housing-list-is-foreign-born

    Some interesting findings here. I wonder why Fingal Co Council in particular are hiding their figures.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,484 ✭✭✭ Montage of Feck


    Bosnian? That's a weird one at number three.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,882 ✭✭✭ Smee_Again


    Don’t really care about nationality.

    How many are employed?


  • Registered Users Posts: 41,359 ✭✭✭✭ SEPT 23 1989


    so it's an immigration crisis not a housing crisis


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,709 ✭✭✭✭ Leg End Reject


    Nationality is irrelevant. If they're not working they don't need to be housed in the most expensive county in the country.

    Reserve social housing in high demand areas for lower paid workers. Allow them to live where they can commute easily and at an affordable cost.


  • Registered Users Posts: 528 ✭✭✭ whodafunk


    Smee_Again wrote: »
    Don’t really care about nationality.

    How many are employed?

    Agree 1000%. Well for them


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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,770 ✭✭✭ KungPao


    Nationality is irrelevant. If they're not working they don't need to be housed in the most expensive county in the country.

    Reserve social housing in high demand areas for lower paid workers. Allow them to live where they can commute easily and at an affordable cost.
    I'd also say, give the newer builds with their fancy solar panels on the roof to people who contribute to society, instead of suck it dry.

    No job, never worked, 7 kids? We have a BER G built in the 70s, in x bad area. Some mould and the likes, but that's the best we can do for you.


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,306 ✭✭✭✭ jimmycrackcorm


    Even if the councils could provide enough houses tomorrow to provide for everyone in the list, by the day after that list would find itself with twice as many new applicants.


  • Registered Users Posts: 88 ✭✭ clytemnestra


    Nationality is irrelevant. If they're not working they don't need to be housed in the most expensive county in the country.

    Reserve social housing in high demand areas for lower paid workers. Allow them to live where they can commute easily and at an affordable cost.

    Nationality is not irrelevant. We don't have enough affordable housing for our own people to rent or buy, and even less social housing. We should not be importing people who can't house themselves and who are a net drain. No Irish person would be housed if they rocked up to Poland or Nigeria with their family, they would be laughed out of it. It's impossible to plan a housing strategy when there is a limitless number of people arriving and demanding that we house them.


  • Registered Users Posts: 27,212 ✭✭✭✭ end of the road


    Nationality is irrelevant. If they're not working they don't need to be housed in the most expensive county in the country.

    Reserve social housing in high demand areas for lower paid workers. Allow them to live where they can commute easily and at an affordable cost.


    if the most expensive county in the country is where they are, then whether they are working or not they can be housed there.
    the rest of the country have enough problems of their own in terms of housing without having to take on more people for ideological reasons about expensive counties and all else.

    KungPao wrote: »
    No job, never worked, 7 kids? We have a BER G built in the 70s, in x bad area. Some mould and the likes, but that's the best we can do for you.



    not going to happen, time has moved on from nonsense like this.

    julian the journalist asange is innocent, free julian the journalist.



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,709 ✭✭✭✭ Leg End Reject


    if the most expensive county in the country is where they are, then whether they are working or not they can be housed there.
    the rest of the country have enough problems of their own in terms of housing without having to take on more people for ideological reasons about expensive counties and all else.
    I didn't say they couldn't be housed there, because they are already.

    I said they shouldn't be. Lower paid workers can't afford housing in major cities and are forced to commute because that's where employment opportunities exist.

    Yet someone who doesn't work is housed in an area they don't need to be.

    No doubt you'll disagree, but I'm just clarifying what I actually said.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 11,044 ✭✭✭✭ Geuze


    I have never been able to clarify:

    (1) are we under any obligation to accept non-EU citizens who are resident here onto our social housing waiting list?

    Could we remove them from the list?

    (2) are we under any obligation to accept EU citizens who are resident here onto our social housing waiting list?


  • Registered Users Posts: 72,171 ✭✭✭✭ Atlantic Dawn


    If you question this you are flagged as a racialist.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    You do know people born outside of Ireland can be Irish


  • Registered Users Posts: 27,212 ✭✭✭✭ end of the road


    I didn't say they couldn't be houses there, because they are already.

    I said they shouldn't be. Lower paid workers can't afford housing in major cities and are forced to commute because that's where employment opportunities exist.

    Yet someone who doesn't work is housed in an area they don't need to be.

    No doubt you'll disagree, but I'm just clarifying what I actually said.


    i never said you said there couldn't be houses there, i replied to exactly what you did say however.
    low payed workers being unable to live in the cities themselves is not an irish specific problem, but you aren't going to solve it by throwing the tiny few won't works on to other areas, you solve it by building houses and that is the only way to do it.
    urbanisation is increasing world wide and ireland is no different in that regard, so we are going to have to actually deal with that reality, and just dumping people down the country or wherever isn't going to fly or work as it isn't viable or cost effective, even if the people involved may be a small few won't works.
    the people on a housing list in an area need to be in that area as that is where they are, the housing list is the way it is so as to prioritize those in need and insure that local livers are kept in their communities where possible so as to not over burden other areas.
    that isn't going to change because outside the cities the housing lists would not be able to cope, without serious funding which would not be affordable.

    julian the journalist asange is innocent, free julian the journalist.



  • Registered Users Posts: 27,212 ✭✭✭✭ end of the road


    If you question this you are flagged as a racialist.

    and yet Geuze has just posed that question and i can bet he won't be labeled anything, because it's not a racist question.

    julian the journalist asange is innocent, free julian the journalist.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,044 ✭✭✭✭ Geuze


    https://www.theburkean.ie/articles/2021/04/29/how-much-of-the-dublin-housing-list-is-foreign-born

    It would nearly break your heart.

    Like many other people, I face a very high marginal income tax rate, about 60% in my case.

    The worker on median FT wages faces a 48.5% marginal income tax rate, very common in Ireland.

    To think that my taxes are being used to house people on the list below.

    I want to contribute to society, but give me a break.

    I buy health insurance for my family, I try to be responsible, I volunteer (in a small way).

    But you can only push me so far........Jesus Wept, why are we housing these people when we have a massive shortage of houses?

    Why isn't there a sensible political party that will stand up and stop this?




    "Unlike other councils South Dublin was able to give us a breakdown of the nationalities applying for public housing. The following list are the leading nationalities on the list per the figures supplied to us.

    Nationality Number of Applicants
    British 62
    Bosnian 228
    Latvian 102
    Lithuanian 166
    Polish 362
    Somalian 68
    Pakistan 89
    Nigerian 239
    Iraq 52
    Congolese 75
    Moldovan 51


  • Registered Users Posts: 26,407 ✭✭✭✭ Eric Cartman


    Smee_Again wrote: »
    Don’t really care about nationality.

    How many are employed?

    8% full time
    63% only welfare


  • Registered Users Posts: 26,407 ✭✭✭✭ Eric Cartman


    Geuze wrote: »
    https://www.theburkean.ie/articles/2021/04/29/how-much-of-the-dublin-housing-list-is-foreign-born

    It would nearly break your heart.

    Like many other people, I face a very high marginal income tax rate, about 60% in my case.

    The worker on median FT wages faces a 48.5% marginal income tax rate, very common in Ireland.

    To think that my taxes are being used to house people on the list below.

    I want to contribute to society, but give me a break.

    I buy health insurance for my family, I try to be responsible, I volunteer (in a small way).

    But you can only push me so far........Jesus Wept, why are we housing these people when we have a massive shortage of houses?

    Why isn't there a sensible political party that will stand up and stop this?




    "Unlike other councils South Dublin was able to give us a breakdown of the nationalities applying for public housing. The following list are the leading nationalities on the list per the figures supplied to us.

    Nationality Number of Applicants
    British 62
    Bosnian 228
    Latvian 102
    Lithuanian 166
    Polish 362
    Somalian 68
    Pakistan 89
    Nigerian 239
    Iraq 52
    Congolese 75
    Moldovan 51

    I wasnt aware we had so many bosnians


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,484 ✭✭✭ Buddy Bubs


    If I was looking to buy my first house and seeing prices going the way they are and then knew where the demand was coming from driving those prices, I'd be rightly pissed off.
    Didn't add up the numbers in that list of foreigners here but if you added that to the thousands of irish, you realise its the government you voted for that you are competing with for a house. I did actually vote for this government, but when you think about it, it's lunacy.
    Luckily, I have a house and it's increasing in value because of this but I'd prefer working irish and working immigrants to be housed properly or be able to buy a house than what's going on.
    That's before you even consider the REITs.


  • Registered Users Posts: 39 kooreczka


    We're an immigrants and we have been here working hard for last 16 years trying to buy a place which seems impossible and we both have decent jobs saving every penny and taking overtime or night shifts. There are people who haven't worked day in their life getting brand new half million worth apartments for a small fracture of what their neighbours who bought places have to pay. It's not immigrants it's the government who steals right to buy our own place by giving it to people who don't mostly pay taxes and enjoy easy life regardless what nationality they are..


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  • Registered Users Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭ suicide_circus


    A lot of Bosnians came in during the mid 90s for obvious reasons, are these the same cohort 25 years later?


  • Registered Users Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭ suicide_circus


    kooreczka wrote: »
    We're an immigrants and we have been here working hard for last 16 years trying to buy a place which seems impossible and we both have decent jobs saving every penny and taking overtime or night shifts. There are people who haven't worked day in their life getting brand new half million worth apartments for a small fracture of what their neighbours who bought places have to pay. It's not immigrants it's the government who steals right to buy our own place by giving it to people who don't mostly pay taxes and enjoy easy life regardless what nationality they are..

    More people dependant on the state, the larger the state needs to be, the more taxes the state needs to extract from workers, the more people become dependant on the state. The beurocracy is a self propagating machine, comrade.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 20,321 Mod ✭✭✭✭ RacoonQueen


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    If anything that article just shows how little the government actually care, would be interesting to see 2018 > 2020 numbers but housing list numbers were just as high in the 3 years this covers and only 322 houses built by DCC.

    This can't possibly cover all the people housed each of these years, only about 500 in 2016?

    DLR a total of 243 units had been constructed. There has been one of the DLR allocated apartments in my estate lying empty since well before Christmas. You can see into the place, it's in perfect condition. What are they at.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    A lot of Bosnians came in during the mid 90s for obvious reasons, are these the same cohort 25 years later?

    Jesus, 25 years on a housing list, something would be very wrong there.


  • Registered Users Posts: 25,620 ✭✭✭✭ Wanderer78


    More people dependant on the state, the larger the state needs to be, the more taxes the state needs to extract from workers, the more people become dependant on the state. The beurocracy is a self propagating machine, comrade.

    The money supply plays a major role in house prices, generally this largely comes from the private sector, in the form of credit, but our government in their 'wisdom', has decided to also get in on the game, by providing even more money to buyers, so they can further outbid each other, shur what could possibly go wrong!

    The bulk of the debts required to solve this must in fact remain on the public balance sheet, in order to break this normally credit fueled boom bust cycle, and if managed correctly, there may not even be a need to increase taxes, but since we continually elect fiscal conservatives, that's highly unlikely to happen, so on we go, doing the same thing, over and over......


  • Registered Users Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭ suicide_circus


    Nationality is irrelevant.

    It's relevant in the context of the current government's demented policy of actively trying to increase immigration and assign own door accommodation to asylum seekers while already not having enough social housing.


  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 7,148 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Gloomtastic!


    I wasnt aware we had so many bosnians

    Where are the Roma on the list? Are they calling themselves Bosnian perhaps?


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Where are the Roma on the list? Are they calling themselves Bosnian perhaps?

    Why would they? Wouldn't make any sense


  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 7,148 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Gloomtastic!


    bubblypop wrote: »
    Why would they? Wouldn't make any sense

    Well where are they on the list? You can’t walk in the centre of Dublin without meeting several of them. Moore St is now Roma Street Central.....


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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Well where are they on the list? You can’t walk in the centre of Dublin without meeting several of them. Moore St is now Roma Street Central.....

    Where are travellers in the list?


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