Are we there yet? Your second Travel Megathread (threadbans in OP}

SusanC10 · 29-04-2021 12:06PM

What do people make of this Article from RTE on the proposed EU Cert ?

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0429/1212774-coronavirus-travel-passports/

M_Murphy57 · 29-04-2021 12:37PM

SusanC10 wrote: »

What do people make of this Article from RTE on the proposed EU Cert ?

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0429/1212774-coronavirus-travel-passports/

My take:

EU: very clearly and deliberately spell out this is NOT a vaccine passport. Negative tests/recovery status should give you a right to travel with no quarantine and ensuring the unvaccinated are not discriminated against. Tests should also be free to avoid them becoming a barrier to travel.

RTE/Leo: *frantically muddying the waters* These VACCINE PASSPORTS sure are a fraught area! We will need to debate it. Are they discriminatory? Let's drag our heels while we figure it out.

Donald Trump · 29-04-2021 01:22PM

M_Murphy57 wrote: »

My take:

EU: very clearly and deliberately spell out this is NOT a vaccine passport. Negative tests/recovery status should give you a right to travel with no quarantine and ensuring the unvaccinated are not discriminated against. Tests should also be free to avoid them becoming a barrier to travel.

RTE/Leo: *frantically muddying the waters* These VACCINE PASSPORTS sure are a fraught area! We will need to debate it. Are they discriminatory? Let's drag our heels while we figure it out.

You are reading too much into it.

It doesn't really matter what you call it. It doesn't change what it is. It also comes with a system that will allow the sharing and transfer of details between member states. It is the sharing of the data that is the tricky part. The cert is not worth very much without the ability of the receiving country to verify the details. A system that gives a body in a foreign jurisdiction access to, what effectively constitutes part of your personal medical records on demand cannot be set up on an ad-hoc basis. That is the reason for the delay in rollout and agreement.

That it is not a "passport" means that you cannot be forced to acquire one in order to preserve your freedom of movement rights. That does not mean that you would never have to quarantine. There are probably plenty of countries that will not allow you to enter at all without showing evidence of vaccination against yellow fever etc. So EU countries won't be allowed to deny EU citizens entry on that basis. However there is nothing stopping any country from applying its own public health measures. All that would be required there is that EU citizens are treated equally to its own citizens.

Micky 32 · 29-04-2021 01:42PM

Couple of qoutes from Simon Coveney:

“”Mr Coveney said there will not be a big focus on international travel today but there will be in a few weeks time.””

“”He said the Government is looking at the new EU green passport system and how this can be used to make safe, sensible decisions around how travel can reopen later in the year.””

Donald Trump · 29-04-2021 02:03PM

One of the side effect of mandatory PCR tests and mandatory hotel quarantine appears to have been the forced infection of travellers coming in. Because before they had the MHQ, we were being assured that travellers were immune.

Plenty of posters on here telling us that international travel was completely safe, and then when PCR tests were added that they was foolproof. Now that we have the MHQ in place and they are tested in a controlled manner during that quarantine, it seems that 3% of them are carrying it in even with the clear entry tests

That's higher than the positivity rate in the biased subset of the population that display symptoms or are identified close contacts!

pouladuff_goal · 29-04-2021 02:05PM

Navy blue wrote: »

Sorry if this has been asked before, but what is the current advice for travelling to the North? Have booked a weekend break in Belfast in June but wondering now if the hotel will allow bookings with an address in ROI?

I am sure the hotel will take your booking.

Unless you live within 20KMs of the border you would be breaking our regulations unless inter-county travel is allowed by then.

This is assuming you don't have an essential reason for travelling such as a dental appointment or a visit to a grave.

munchkin_utd · 29-04-2021 02:08PM

pouladuff_goal wrote: »

I am sure the hotel will take your booking.

Unless you live within 20KMs of the border you would be breaking our regulations unless inter-county travel is allowed by then.

This is assuming you don't have an essential reason for travelling such as a dental appointment or a visit to a grave.

the ROI regulations are not a reason for a UK hotel not to take a booking.

Would a hotel in Belfast care if a North Korean person booked a room in defiance of whatever restrictions they have for their people to never ever travel.

Navy blue · 29-04-2021 02:14PM

pouladuff_goal wrote: »

I am sure the hotel will take your booking.

Unless you live within 20KMs of the border you would be breaking our regulations unless inter-county travel is allowed by then.

This is assuming you don't have an essential reason for travelling such as a dental appointment or a visit to a grave.

It would appear intercounty travel will be allowed from May 10th, my booking isn't until June. But I presumed that travel between ROI and NI was allowed, but that doesn't seem to be the case and NI rules are for no cross border travel. But I can't find anything recent to say that is the case, not sure if they have loosened those rules along with recent easing of restrictions.

Corholio · 29-04-2021 02:30PM

The 'EU Covid-19 Certificate' is the new name for the EU Digital Green Passport. Although as some couldn't handle that it was called that and not a 'vaccine passport', they might struggle with this name change :P

Chuck Norris 2021 · 29-04-2021 02:48PM

Navy blue wrote: »

It would appear intercounty travel will be allowed from May 10th, my booking isn't until June. But I presumed that travel between ROI and NI was allowed, but that doesn't seem to be the case and NI rules are for no cross border travel. But I can't find anything recent to say that is the case, not sure if they have loosened those rules along with recent easing of restrictions.

I think it was mentioned on here before that the foreign travel restrictions need to be proportional to the domestic restrictions, so the 2k fine should no longer be strictly legal. It is due to expire regardless in June, and I can't see them having the cheek to renew it. Can someone please verify?

MizMix · 29-04-2021 03:15PM

Navy blue wrote: »

It would appear intercounty travel will be allowed from May 10th, my booking isn't until June. But I presumed that travel between ROI and NI was allowed, but that doesn't seem to be the case and NI rules are for no cross border travel. But I can't find anything recent to say that is the case, not sure if they have loosened those rules along with recent easing of restrictions.

I cross the border min 8 times a week (just back in fact). I have not been stopped and haven't seen a checkpoint since before xmas. I'm a cross border worker but noticed plenty of LH reg's around last weekend around Newry

Ray Donovan · 29-04-2021 03:28PM

Donald Trump wrote: »

One of the side effect of mandatory PCR tests and mandatory hotel quarantine appears to have been the forced infection of travellers coming in. Because before they had the MHQ, we were being assured that travellers were immune.

Plenty of posters on here telling us that international travel was completely safe, and then when PCR tests were added that they was foolproof. Now that we have the MHQ in place and they are tested in a controlled manner during that quarantine, it seems that 3% of them are carrying it in even with the clear entry tests

That's higher than the positivity rate in the biased subset of the population that display symptoms or are identified close contacts!

That’s some total BS there. We all know, including yourself that the people in MHQ who have tested positive for C19 are the people who entered the state with NO PCR test and were shipped to MHQ as a result.

normanoffside · 29-04-2021 03:29PM

Progress....

https://twitter.com/DonnellyStephen/status/1387788050911186951

Chuck Norris 2021 · 29-04-2021 03:30PM

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/daily-covid-cases-could-hit-1200-in-july-nphet-warns-government-1119470.html

Daily Covid cases could hit 1,200 in July, Nphet warns Government

Tony decided that there was too much good news today. They just can't help themselves, can they?

Ray Donovan · 29-04-2021 03:30PM

normanoffside wrote: »

Progress....

https://twitter.com/DonnellyStephen/status/1387788050911186951

Reverse progress..... https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/too-soon-for-return-to-international-travel-varadkar-40370621.html

Micky 32 · 29-04-2021 03:41PM

Ray Donovan wrote: »

Reverse progress..... https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/too-soon-for-return-to-international-travel-varadkar-40370621.html

I suppose “ many months” is better than many years. At this stage i’ll f****g take it if i knew there’s some sort of target.

Chuck Norris 2021 · 29-04-2021 03:46PM

Ray Donovan wrote: »

Reverse progress..... https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/too-soon-for-return-to-international-travel-varadkar-40370621.html

It will be ‘many months’ before Ireland is open to all international tourism and when people here can jet off into the sky on foreign trips without hindrance, the Tánaiste says.

I wouldn't read too much into that. Note the words 'all' and 'without hindrance'. I would say it'll probably be a year before that happens. In the meanwhile travel in Europe and to the US will resume, but some other countries will be off limits hence 'all'. 'Without hindrance' probably refers to testing, a degree of quarantining depending on destination etc. All to be expected. Very carefully chosen works to spook people who were going to book today and fully expected. I wouldn't lose sleep over it.

Classic role reversal there. SD giving hope and Leo dashing it. Just another example of the tit for tat leaks coming from FF and FG.

hynesie08 · 29-04-2021 03:49PM

Ray Donovan wrote: »

Reverse progress..... https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/too-soon-for-return-to-international-travel-varadkar-40370621.html

Of course there's going to be some restrictions, depending on vaccinations and variants in other countries, but I'd say Europe and North America will be given the green light by September.

Mr. Karate · 29-04-2021 03:54PM

Chuck Norris 2021 wrote: »

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/daily-covid-cases-could-hit-1200-in-july-nphet-warns-government-1119470.html

Daily Covid cases could hit 1,200 in July, Nphet warns Government

Tony decided that there was too much good news today. They just can't help themselves, can they?

I knew Holohan wouldn't be happy until he completely eroded any sympathy he may have gotten from his wife's death.

Van.Bosch · 29-04-2021 03:56PM

Mr. Karate wrote: »

I knew Holohan wouldn't be happy until he completely eroded any sympathy he may have gotten from his wife's death.

Jaysus - that’s shocking, didn’t think the internet could shock me any more but this rubbish has.

FlubberJones · 29-04-2021 03:57PM

hynesie08 wrote: »

Of course there's going to be some restrictions, depending on vaccinations and variants in other countries, but I'd say Europe and North America will be given the green light by September.

I'm thinking Aug for fully vaccinated to travel in Europe, for instance I expect to be in Italy in mid Aug... I REALLY DO... please.

Mr. Karate · 29-04-2021 03:59PM

Van.Bosch wrote: »

Jaysus - that’s shocking, didn’t think the internet could shock me any more but this rubbish has.

Change your diapers.

dgalaxy · 29-04-2021 04:34PM

Are buses running between Belfast Airport/Belfast and Dublin? The Northern service Translink seems to be - any other bus services running?

Ray Donovan · 29-04-2021 04:49PM

FlubberJones wrote: »

I'm thinking Aug for fully vaccinated to travel in Europe, for instance I expect to be in Italy in mid Aug... I REALLY DO... please.

I expect to be in the Canaries in late June to be honest. And I doubt I’ll even have my first dose of the vaccine.

Travel Fine won’t be extended it looks like so travel where you like after that expires. Ya, you’ll need a negative PCR but that’s no biggie.

Feria40 · 29-04-2021 05:22PM

FlubberJones wrote: »

I'm thinking Aug for fully vaccinated to travel in Europe, for instance I expect to be in Italy in mid Aug... I REALLY DO... please.

I agree about the August bit but not so sure about the fully vacinated part.

That won't fly in Europe with the likes of the French.

I would say travel in August with vaccine or negative PCR

Ray Donovan · 29-04-2021 05:58PM

Feria40 wrote: »

I agree about the August bit but not so sure about the fully vacinated part.

That won't fly in Europe with the likes of the French.

I would say travel in August with vaccine or negative PCR

So you have the missed the bit about the EU travel cert ya?

munchkin_utd · 29-04-2021 05:59PM

Feria40 wrote: »

I agree about the August bit but not so sure about the fully vacinated part.

That won't fly in Europe with the likes of the French.

I would say travel in August with vaccine or negative PCR

Italys laws for test free unvaccinated travel seem to still be in place (including to or from the UK) so the only issue will be coming back to Ireland.

Theres now flights from Bergamo to both Belfast city and international with Ryanair should you need options.

Feria40 · 29-04-2021 06:06PM

Ray Donovan wrote: »

So you have the missed the bit about the EU travel cert ya?

I don't get you tbh...

Isn't the travel cert vaccine or negative PCR as I have said (or proof of prior infection in last 6 months)

saabsaab · 29-04-2021 06:06PM

hynesie08 wrote: »

Of course there's going to be some restrictions, depending on vaccinations and variants in other countries, but I'd say Europe and North America will be given the green light by September.

The vaccinations roll out will give more travel options but some countries could be on a red list for a few years.

Necro · 29-04-2021 06:08PM

Mr. Karate wrote: »

I knew Holohan wouldn't be happy until he completely eroded any sympathy he may have gotten from his wife's death.

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