Are we there yet? Your second Travel Megathread (threadbans in OP}

Micky 32 · 28-04-2021 08:33PM

“”Tánaiste Leo Varadkar told a meeting of the Fine Gael parliamentary party on Wednesday evening that the Government must have a plan in place by the end of May for the phased return of international travel.””

saabsaab · 28-04-2021 09:03PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

“”Tánaiste Leo Varadkar told a meeting of the Fine Gael parliamentary party on Wednesday evening that the Government must have a plan in place by the end of May for the phased return of international travel.””

Ok, the key words are 'plan' and 'phased return'

mmclo · 28-04-2021 09:12PM

chimpsoup1016 wrote: »

Is the green cert going to be used in the EEA does anyone know ?

I'm fully vaccinated on 28 May and have a booking for Switzerland in August. I'd dearly love to go.

It applies in EEA but Switzerland is not in the EEA, it has a weird bilateral deal which is very much up in the air at the moment

I think the Green Cert is open to them if they want it

titan18 · 28-04-2021 09:16PM

mmclo wrote: »

It applies in EEA but Switzerland is not in the EEA, it has a weird bilateral deal which is very much up in the air at the moment

I think the Green Cert is open to them if they want it

Ya, I've read it's open to them, Norway, Iceland and Liechtenstein.

Considering that some areas of those countries get by very much on tourism, I'd imagine they'd be willing to join.

28 May though, it won't be operational by though I'd say so not sure how thatll go.

Ray Donovan · 28-04-2021 09:30PM

saabsaab wrote: »

Ok, the key words are 'plan' and 'phased return'

Phased return to me would mean UK & EU travel only initially. I could be way off obviously.

And yes, the phrase “plan” does worry me too. Could be a “plan” for September/October instead of this Summer.

sy_flembeck · 28-04-2021 09:39PM

Del Griffith wrote: »

That we can achieve zero covid in Ireland. All we need to do is quarantine the entire population, forever.

It might seem extreme, but this is a global pandemic after all. Individual quarantine forever can be the new normal, we can't be too careful and are following the science with an abundance of caution.

Are you in support? I assume so.

I really did LOL (I'm down with the kids!) at this one

RoryMac · 28-04-2021 10:01PM

Sorry if this has been covered but is there any information if children under 18 will need to be vaccinated to travel under the proposed vaccine passport rules?

Feria40 · 28-04-2021 10:29PM

RoryMac wrote: »

Sorry if this has been covered but is there any information if children under 18 will need to be vaccinated to travel under the proposed vaccine passport rules?

You see it's not a vaccine passport.

Vacination is one of three options open to you, the other 2 being a negative PCR test or proof of prior infection (last 6 months).

Under the EU proposals any ONE of the above is sufficient for free travel.

Edit. that's not to say our gov could put additional measures in place at a national level but they would be legally required to set out their rational for same

Micky 32 · 28-04-2021 11:11PM

Ray Donovan wrote: »

Phased return to me would mean UK & EU travel only initially. I could be way off obviously.

And yes, the phrase “plan” does worry me too. Could be a “plan” for September/October instead of this Summer.

The very worrying part is he added “ However, the Tánaiste warned his fellow party members that there is no guarantee this will happen.“

Gael23 · 29-04-2021 07:11AM

Feria40 wrote: »

You see it's not a vaccine passport.
.

Edit. that's not to say our gov could put additional measures in place at a national level but they would be legally required to set out their rational for same

Variants which don’t exist won’t be an acceptable justification.

I’d take phased to mean EU first then international

eltonyio · 29-04-2021 07:18AM

There is a marked change in tone now really.

Talk of phased reopening, passport office to reopen, inter county travel to happen quicker than expected, positive language around green cert, and options via the North. If things now speeds up at a pace similar to last summer, it might be relatively easy to travel in about 4-6 weeks or so.

SusanC10 · 29-04-2021 07:19AM

In all the various leaks last night was there any mention of International Travel ?

eltonyio · 29-04-2021 07:34AM

You can only laugh at stories like this one. A man was released from MHQ in error, drove home and then was phoned and asked would he mind driving back down.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/man-released-early-from-hotel-quarantine-in-error-made-to-return-1.4550457

pouladuff_goal · 29-04-2021 07:43AM

eltonyio wrote: »

You can only laugh at stories like this one. A man was released from MHQ in error, drove home and then was phoned and asked would he mind driving back down.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/man-released-early-from-hotel-quarantine-in-error-made-to-return-1.4550457

Our clueless idiots just get worse and worse.

Tenzor07 · 29-04-2021 08:52AM

eltonyio wrote: »

You can only laugh at stories like this one. A man was released from MHQ in error, drove home and then was phoned and asked would he mind driving back down.

Absolute S**t show of a Govt. when things like this happen!!

I mean who's running this cr*p? Basil Fawlty?

Just hope they sent a State car and driver to chauffeur him back to Fawlty Towers, otherwise i'd refuse to go!

Donald Trump · 29-04-2021 08:53AM

eltonyio wrote: »

You can only laugh at stories like this one. A man was released from MHQ in error, drove home and then was phoned and asked would he mind driving back down.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/man-released-early-from-hotel-quarantine-in-error-made-to-return-1.4550457

It is his responsibility to quarantine. Some hotel worker telling him to go home doesn't have the authority to override the law. He would have known himself when he leaving that it was a mistake. The law is quite clear on who has to quarantine and who is exempted. His story is, legally speaking, only a variation of the people who "escaped" by walking out the front door at the start

Skippette · 29-04-2021 08:55AM

Feria40 wrote: »

You see it's not a vaccine passport.

Vacination is one of three options open to you, the other 2 being a negative PCR test or proof of prior infection (last 6 months).

Under the EU proposals any ONE of the above is sufficient for free travel.

Edit. that's not to say our gov could put additional measures in place at a national level but they would be legally required to set out their rational for same

Looks like rapid antigen tests will also be acceptable, which is great news cost wise and AFAIK the swab required doesn't have to tickle the brain! Which will be better for kids.....how reliable, well that's a different debate.

Quote below taken from https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/qanda_21_1187

To ensure the reliability of the test result, only the results of so-called NAAT tests (including RT-PCR tests) and rapid antigen tests, featured in the list established on the basis of Council Recommendation 2021/C 24/01, should be eligible for a test certificate issued on the basis of the proposed Regulation.

Tenzor07 · 29-04-2021 08:57AM

SusanC10 wrote: »

In all the various leaks last night was there any mention of International Travel ?

I believe International Travel will resume on the 32nd of July, once Eamon Ryan has had his second alarm call and wakes up to scrawl down a plan for restarting Aviation....

josip · 29-04-2021 09:11AM

RoryMac wrote: »

Sorry if this has been covered but is there any information if children under 18 will need to be vaccinated to travel under the proposed vaccine passport rules?

Varies from destination country to destination country.
The cutoff age in many countries is 12.
11 and below there's no need, or at least no need as long as travelling with a negative PCR-ed adult.

SusanC10 · 29-04-2021 09:19AM

Donald Trump wrote: »

It is his responsibility to quarantine. Some hotel worker telling him to go home doesn't have the authority to override the law. He would have known himself when he leaving that it was a mistake. The law is quite clear on who has to quarantine and who is exempted. His story is, legally speaking, only a variation of the people who "escaped" by walking out the front door at the start

He got some form of a "discharge certificate" from Quarantine though.

SusanC10 · 29-04-2021 09:20AM

josip wrote: »

Varies from destination country to destination country.
The cutoff age in many countries is 12.
11 and below there's no need, or at least no need as long as travelling with a negative PCR-ed adult.

So, do Age 12-15 need negative PCR then within EU ? Example Greece ?

fm · 29-04-2021 09:26AM

SusanC10 wrote: »

So, do Age 12-15 need negative PCR then within EU ? Example Greece ?

If you look at the dfa.ie site you can check, France is 11 and under don't need a test atm, but most are around 5 or 6 years, not sure will this change with the digital Green certificate

https://www.dfa.ie/travel/

eltonyio · 29-04-2021 09:28AM

Donald Trump wrote: »

It is his responsibility to quarantine. Some hotel worker telling him to go home doesn't have the authority to override the law. He would have known himself when he leaving that it was a mistake. The law is quite clear on who has to quarantine and who is exempted. His story is, legally speaking, only a variation of the people who "escaped" by walking out the front door at the start

Operationally speaking it's a shambolic mess though isn't it?

Dr. Em · 29-04-2021 09:38AM

SusanC10 wrote: »

So, do Age 12-15 need negative PCR then within EU ? Example Greece ?

Reopen EU is updated regularly with the current travel restrictions. Here is the current guidance for Greece. https://reopen.europa.eu/en/map/GRC/7001

It doesn't include information on proposed changes to the rules, unfortunately, but if you do book flights you can check on the relevant restrictions between then and flying.

hmmm · 29-04-2021 09:40AM

RTE says that the new Covid certificate allowing international travel will provide you with "evidence of having survived the disease".
https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0429/1212761-live-restrictions-blog/

josip · 29-04-2021 09:47AM

Greece is 6 and above need a PCR.
https://travel.gov.gr/#/

Tenzor07 · 29-04-2021 09:51AM

SusanC10 wrote: »

He got some form of a "discharge certificate" from Quarantine though.

Yeap, a certificate of discharge was given and he looked for written confirmation that he had to return but none was sent to him.

So on the way home he could have stopped for fuel, went to a supermarket and met friends/family at home....

No benefit to the state at all for him to have been told to return, a pointless exercise and waste of his time/money and Garda/hotel time too...

Donald Trump · 29-04-2021 09:51AM

SusanC10 wrote: »

He got some form of a "discharge certificate" from Quarantine though.

Ah yeah, I don't think he'd be in any danger of being prosecuted for leaving the facility.

I'd say he would theoretically be in danger of being prosecuted though if he refused to return when notified of the error.

Donald Trump · 29-04-2021 09:56AM

eltonyio wrote: »

Operationally speaking it's a shambolic mess though isn't it?

Yeah, definitely a mistake. Someone entered him into the system under the wrong category. These things happen with human error. The fault is in (I assume) not having controls in place.

Navy blue · 29-04-2021 10:57AM

Sorry if this has been asked before, but what is the current advice for travelling to the North? Have booked a weekend break in Belfast in June but wondering now if the hotel will allow bookings with an address in ROI?

Are we there yet? Your second Travel Megathread (threadbans in OP}

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