Relaxation of Restrictions, Part X Read OP For Mod Warnings

Penfailed · 28-04-2021 10:30PM

gozunda wrote: »

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=RFLOL

Yup I think that about sums it up...

New one on me. I've only ever seen ROFL up to now. Every days a school day.

PTH2009 · 28-04-2021 10:32PM

Let's hope indoor dining (ie a proper piss up) can happen in July

Again it's dependent on the vaccine roll out and or course the all important 'Variants'

Is there an acceptance than numbers will rise naturally and to not hit the panic button

JRant · 28-04-2021 10:32PM

big syke wrote: »

This is all a bit mad! Potentially inter county travel and hairdressers open before adults can go back training!

Never, and I mean, never, try to make sense of the restrictions.

The end of May should be everything open, end of June should have large outdoor events and sport.

An abundance of caution seems to have taken over every aspect of government and their advisory groups. NIAC are doing their level best to make a mess out of the vaccine program. NPHET are seeking perfection when it's not achievable. The government are lead by MM, a man who needs a briefing on a report before a committee to decide which way he should wipe his arse.

robbiezero · 28-04-2021 10:33PM

Busi_Girl08 wrote: »

And intercounty travel before indoor house visits and hotels are open?

So I'd drive from dublin to limerick to have a cuppa in my parents garden and go home again?

All very exciting sounding changes but I'm not convinced. And there have been big u turns before. Will wait till tomorrow before I get too ahead of myself

No. One of their neighbours gardens maybe.

Been driving from Dublin to Tipp to visit mine since the beginning of March and staying a few nights at a time. Doing same this Saturday. No interest in these nonsense restrictions that have dragged on far too long.

I really hope those sources of those "Tony is in a good mood" quotes weren't Government TDs, but it would explain a lot if they were.

gozunda · 28-04-2021 10:41PM

ypres5 wrote: »

This talk of vaccine dividends is pure discriminatory against younger people like me who have no problem being vaccinated but are held back by the governments already agonizingly slow rollout which'll be even slower due to the harebrained decision made regarding the restrictions put on the astrazeneca and j&j vaccines.

Eh? How is it "discriminatory" when we have a set amount of vaccines to be allocated to people. Its not like they can be conjured up out of thin air is it?

Restrictions on astrazenexa and j&j are happening in other countries not just here.

28-04-2021 10:43PM

Degag wrote: »

No, why would I be? Your post was the epitome of hyperbole.

We should not lift restrictions when we're leading Europe in Covid suppression statistics because of what's happening on the other side of the world?

That is devoid of even a semblance of logic. Jesus Christ.

Sammy2012 · 28-04-2021 10:44PM

11521323 wrote: »

Yes 25 people in June. How generous.

Absolutely ridiculous.

This is crazy! A friend of mine has moved their wedding 4 times now since last May and were hoping to have 100 at their wedding in July. Doesn't look like this will happen now either. So guessing the choice is to move it again or go ahead with it without their family.

25 is 12 people from each side. So pretty much immediate family on both sides and then if you have a small family maybe a special couple of people to the couple. It's a joke!!

There are less than 50 people in ICU with covid and less than 150people in hospital. People's lives are on hold. Jobs are being lost in so many industries. This needs to stop now! We need a clear and workable plan to have the country open for the summer.

Also why the delay on adult training going back? There wasn't very many (if any) cases linked to training last year. Outbreaks associated with GAA county finals alright but clubs were very safe when playing. Outdoors too so what is the problem there?

28-04-2021 10:45PM

gozunda wrote: »

Eh? How is it "discriminatory" when we have a set amount of vaccines to be allocated to people. Its not like they can be conjured up out of thin air is it?

Restrictions on astrazenexa and j&j are happening in other countries not just here.

It's discrimination if that is introduced before everyone has had an option to be vaccinated.

Not allowing someone to do something because they haven't been allowed to be vaccinated yet is medical apartheid.

Masala6 · 28-04-2021 10:45PM

Is the meeting still on?

KrustyUCC · 28-04-2021 10:47PM

100 is the level 1 restrictions which we never got to last year

That the extent of ambition with the population vaccinated

Very difficult for wedding couples in fairness

gozunda · 28-04-2021 10:48PM

bear1 wrote: »

Gozunda must be pissed off right about now.

Why would that be oh bear? You don't see whining in my comments....

Sammy2012 · 28-04-2021 10:50PM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

100 is the level 1 restrictions which we never got to last year

That the extent of ambition with the population vaccinated

Very difficult for wedding couples in fairness

This is true. They will probably go ahead of they get 50 but both have big families and have already cut out friends. My invite has been revoked which is fair enough. But again they have to wait and see as I highly doubt a plan will be announced for numbers that will be allowed in July so will have to wait another 3 or 4 weeks for clarity.

JRant · 28-04-2021 10:52PM

11521323 wrote: »

It's discrimination if that is introduced before everyone has had an option to be vaccinated.

Not allowing someone to do something because they haven't been allowed to be vaccinated yet is medical apartheid.

Let them open up for vaccinated people I say. It's completely unenforceable anyway. How would it be policed? Who would be the responsible party to ensure the person is vaccinated? So many questions with zero answers.

bear1 · 28-04-2021 10:54PM

gozunda wrote: »

Why would that be oh bear? You don't see whining in my comments....

Nah just garbage

Degag · 28-04-2021 10:54PM

11521323 wrote: »

We should not lift restrictions when we're leading Europe in Covid suppression statistics because of what's happening on the other side of the world?

That is devoid of even a semblance of logic. Jesus Christ.

Not what i'm saying.

You state:

What people are willing to accept in this country is baffling.

Which is a hugely hyperbolic statement. Anyone who lives in this country is extremely lucky to do so for the most part, across a large range of KPIs. We are a leading country in almost every regard.

So therefore you need to learn some perspective. Go off out to live in India or somewhere if you're not happy here.

Today and tomorrow look to be good days in that we are going to get a roadmap on reopening. Alot of things look to be reopening faster than i thought they would last week which is great.

Would it be nice to have them open earlier? Sure, of course it would. But when we look back at this next year when this is hopefully all over, i don't think it will particularily matter if we were a few weeks behind some countries. Just that it's all over and we can move on.

Perspective & Patience.

28-04-2021 10:55PM

JRant wrote: »

Let them open up for vaccinated people I say. It's completely unenforceable anyway. How would it be policed? Who would be the responsible party to ensure the person is vaccinated? So many questions with zero answers.

I agree but they don't take reality into account when making decisions. They're not a pragmatic bunch, they prefer to envision a fantasy when deciding what to implement!

bear1 · 28-04-2021 10:55PM

Anywho I wonder when masks will no longer be necessary and they remove that ridiculous hotel quarantine

stephenjmcd · 28-04-2021 10:59PM

Looks pretty much nailed on now.

Barbers & hair dressers pushed a week from what was being discussed earlier. To be honest I'm not surprised. My mother's hairdresser said she wouldn't be in a position to open next week at short notice, stock etc.

Outdoor hospitality, doesn't bother me too much that it looks like being delayed a week or so. Would make sense that hotels could open at the same time.

Overall quite happy, intercounty travel is huge

https://twitter.com/Philip_Ryan/status/1387525428861145089?s=19

JRant · 28-04-2021 10:59PM

11521323 wrote: »

I agree but they don't take reality into account when making decisions. They're not a pragmatic bunch, they prefer to envision a fantasy when deciding what to implement!

We have all become a data point on a model to them now.

28-04-2021 11:00PM

Degag wrote: »

Not what i'm saying.

You state:

Which is a hugely hyperbolic statement. Anyone who lives in this country is extremely lucky to do so for the most part, across a large range of KPIs. We are a leading country in almost every regard.

So therefore you need to learn some perspective. Go off out to live in India or somewhere if you're not happy here.

Today and tomorrow look to be good days in that we are going to get a roadmap on reopening. Alot of things look to be reopening faster than i thought they would last week which is great.

Would it be nice to have them open earlier? Sure, of course it would. But when we look back at this next year when this is hopefully all over, i don't think it will particularily matter if we were a few weeks behind some countries. Just that it's all over and we can move on.

Perspective & Patience.

Please don't start with the absolute comparisons to India. It's all relative.

We should not complain about our unreasonably slow reopening because of a situation in India and we could have it worse? That's a ridiculous view.

You wouldn't make absolute comparisons inversely. I.E. you don't consider yourself a failure in every aspect of your life (at least I hope not!) because on every spectrum, there's always someone who's way better than you in every way. So stop making absolute comparisons when it comes to adversity, we don't do it in any other scenario.

Relatively, we should be back to complete normality by September and there is no logic or reasoning that could rationalize that not happening.

JRant · 28-04-2021 11:04PM

Degag wrote: »

Not what i'm saying.

You state:

Which is a hugely hyperbolic statement. Anyone who lives in this country is extremely lucky to do so for the most part, across a large range of KPIs. We are a leading country in almost every regard.

So therefore you need to learn some perspective. Go off out to live in India or somewhere if you're not happy here.

Today and tomorrow look to be good days in that we are going to get a roadmap on reopening. Alot of things look to be reopening faster than i thought they would last week which is great.

Would it be nice to have them open earlier? Sure, of course it would. But when we look back at this next year when this is hopefully all over, i don't think it will particularily matter if we were a few weeks behind some countries. Just that it's all over and we can move on.

Perspective & Patience.

I'd like to see the reopening happen sooner rather than later but if they present a semi coherent plan tomorrow I'll live with it. The plan tomorrow needs to show not only the reopening of certain aspects of society but a clear end date for all measures. I want to know what the end game is now. We are really starting to pump vaccines out now with more supply coming online every day. So, there is zero excuse for tomorrow's plan not to have a complete return to normality referenced in it somewhere. Be it August/September I'm not overly pushed but it 100% has to be in there.

Corholio · 28-04-2021 11:04PM

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1387527857056911361?s=19

gozunda · 28-04-2021 11:05PM

bear1 wrote: »

Nah just garbage

Yes you are quite correct. Your comment was.

Multipass · 28-04-2021 11:05PM

Feria40 wrote: »

A lot of what is being discussed seems to depend on whether you have been vacinated or not.

Before even getting into whether this is discriminatory or not, it is surely entirely impossible to police?

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/nphet-gives-green-light-to-faster-than-expected-easing-of-restrictions-from-may-10th-1.4549950?mode=amp&__twitter_impression=true

I laughed reading that part with all the use of ‘allowed’ and ‘permitted’., and no meeting in gardens. Who do they think they are? Maybe if they tried ‘advise’ someone might listen, but surely most people are making their own assessments at this stage, my family have been for a long time.

Sammy2012 · 28-04-2021 11:05PM

What's peoples take on foreign travel this summer? Do you think quarantine and tests will be required in August?

stephenjmcd · 28-04-2021 11:06PM

Corholio wrote: »

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1387527857056911361?s=19

By about 2 weeks. I'll take it for a tradeoff with earlier barbers to be honest. I can wait an extra 2 weeks for a pint but the hair is getting too wild

Richard Hillman · 28-04-2021 11:06PM

bear1 wrote: »

Anywho I wonder when masks will no longer be necessary and they remove that ridiculous hotel quarantine

They're never getting rid of masks. You'll be wearing them every winter.

bear1 · 28-04-2021 11:06PM

Corholio wrote: »

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1387527857056911361?s=19

Eh?

bear1 · 28-04-2021 11:08PM

Richard Hillman wrote: »

They're never getting rid of masks. You'll be wearing them every winter.

Doubt it

Stormyteacup · 28-04-2021 11:09PM

11521323 wrote: »

Please don't start with the absolute comparisons to India. It's all relative.

We should not complain about our unreasonably slow reopening because of a situation in India and we could have it worse? That's a ridiculous view.

You wouldn't make absolute comparisons inversely. I.E. you don't consider yourself a failure in every aspect of your life (at least I hope not!) because on every spectrum, there's always someone who's way better than you in every way. So stop making absolute comparisons when it comes to adversity, we don't do it in any other scenario.

Relatively, we should be back to complete normality by September and there is no logic or reasoning that could rationalize that not happening.

It reminds me of my mother telling me to finish my dinner because there are starving children in Africa.

Amazing how Covid should make us grateful to be living in a privileged country, yet famine, wars, natural disasters, and pandemics that never made it here, should really have already cemented our gratitude a long time ago.

Meaningless - the only reason a social conscience has manifested so strongly is because the threat to the individual and their immediate loved ones was perceived as close and deadly.

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