Relaxation of Restrictions, Part X *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

km79

That news about barbers has made me sadly so happy !
Even happier than the beer gardens .
I’m sick of having to dry and brush my hair . It’s usually very short . Not been cut since December .
Its like Fellainis now

MOR316

km79 wrote: »

That news about barbers has made me sadly so happy !
Even happier than the beer gardens .
I’m sick of having to dry and brush my hair . It’s usually very short . Not been cut since December .
Its like Fellainis now

NIMAN

Did I hear June mentioned today for inter-county travel?

If so, that's pathetic.

Stheno

NIMAN wrote: »

Did I hear June mentioned today for inter-county travel?

If so, that's pathetic.

That was this morning

Apparently its now May 10th

leahyl

NIMAN wrote: »

Did I hear June mentioned today for inter-county travel?

If so, that's pathetic.

Leak said end of May now, I think

PTH2009

Darn used to always use walk in for the barbers, ah well ill try and book somewhere when they open

What is happening so much positivity long may it continue and we never ever have to darken the door of a lockdown again

This 'we might have to lockdown in a few weeks/months' needs to go and keep places open with life going on towards normal

Feria40

NIMAN wrote: »

Did I hear June mentioned today for inter-county travel?

If so, that's pathetic.

10th of May now being suggested.

Please god the tweets coming out tonight are correct, it's really the minimum at this stage.

Of course intercounty travel will really open Belfast airports to us:p

Szero

Are gyms opening at the same time as personal services / barbers? Anyone know? Thanks.

gozunda

Faugheen wrote: »

https://twitter.com/Jennifer_Bray/status/1387462597658783747?s=20

Holy sh!tballs has anyone checked if Tony is ok?

I defend NPHET to the hilt but even this has surprised me.

Be careful you could get easily hung drawn and quartered for admitting stuff like that.

Faugheen wrote: »

Well, both really.

He always seemed to be ultra conservative about opening up too quickly. I know he's been very optimistic as of late but 25 days until we can have pints? Think many people will join me in the surprise there.

For the record, I am NOT complaining!

That would be a first for this thread

charlie14

ArthurDayne wrote: »

What’s vague about it? I think hairdressers and retail should be open, along with hospitality (with distance limits scrapped), dining and outdoor drinking — as they have already been during the Covid crisis without precipitating a scenario where healthcare was unable to cope. In addition to that, 1 million people have received at least a first dose vaccine, which offers significant protection as the data has quite clearly shown. I argued the same things about 5km limits, construction and schools - specific things which I did not believe (either in isolation or collectively) were going to leave healthcare unable to cope.

So if I am being vague — let’s hear you being clear and unequivocal. If we open these specific things I have mentioned, will our health service be unable to cope? Yes or No?



Ireland peaked at 218 ICU Covid patients in the middle of winter and in the midst of the time of year where much of the population gathers together with family. It’s the time of year where we all particularly find ourselves around older relatives. This was the issue, on any common sense understanding that people mingle more at Christmas and travel to homesteads, but has been all but ignored in favour of “the abundance of caution” that everything else must also be blamed and shut down — without any real indication that all these things are leading us to utter disaster.

When pubs and restaurants were open in the summer last year, they did not precipitate the kind of calamity on which lockdown is justified. I haven’t seen anything to suggest in clear terms that they will now — all the more so that we have administered significant protection to many already in the form of 1 million first doses. I did not, nor have I ever, disagreed with every single aspect of the restrictions. I support social distancing measures, mask wearing, capacity limits, limitation of large-crowd events remote working where possible etc etc. These things alone have a massive impact on social contact, including numbers bunching on trains and buses in morning and evening rush hours etc etc. Peoples’ own sense of self-preservation has also greatly reduced the manner in which vulnerable people interact with others.

But I do not believe that we should go any further than what is needed to stop the healthcare service being effectively incapacitated for a prolonged period — and right now I do not see the need nor the proportionate justification for many of the current more severe restrictions in our own national context.

But perhaps you can eliminate the vagueness and tell me, for example, the percentage by which opening hairdressers makes the incapacitation of the health service more likely?

So are you actually saying that social distancing, mask wearing,capacity limits, limitation of large crowd events, remote working, limiting numbers on trains and buses during rush hour and peoples on sense of self preservation were all that was needed to keep numbers and deaths down and ensure health services would not come under severe pressure without the need for any other form of lockdown ?
I hate to burst you bubble, but is that not what Sweden did, and are still doing, and even now with the same level of vaccination we have their health service is under severe pressure.


As to the rest of your post. From the very outset my belief that the only way out of this pandemic was through vaccination and everything possible should be done to minimise infections and deaths until vaccines became available.
You know, that pesky stuff, science. And you know what ?

That is exactly what is now happening. So if it`s all the same too you, I`ll stick with the science. I really cannot see any reason to consider changing horse mid-stream.

facehugger99

NIMAN wrote: »

Did I hear June mentioned today for inter-county travel?

If so, that's pathetic.

I presumed everyone sensible is just ignoring this and going wherever they want now anyway?

Feria40

A lot of what is being discussed seems to depend on whether you have been vacinated or not.

Before even getting into whether this is discriminatory or not, it is surely entirely impossible to police?

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/nphet-gives-green-light-to-faster-than-expected-easing-of-restrictions-from-may-10th-1.4549950?mode=amp&__twitter_impression=true

SusanC10

Feria40 wrote: »

A lot of what is being discussed seems to depend on whether you have been vacinated or now.

Before even getting into whether this is discriminatory or not, it is surely entirely impossible to police?

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/nphet-gives-green-light-to-faster-than-expected-easing-of-restrictions-from-may-10th-1.4549950?mode=amp&__twitter_impression=true

What about Kids ? Who can't be vaccinated yet.
No mention anywhere of them in there.

Edit - they seem to have edited there after I read it the first time to mention Grandparents/Grandchildren.

charlie14

gozunda wrote: »

Be careful you could get easily hung drawn and quartered for admitting stuff like that.



That would be a first for this thread

If these predictions do come through then there will be some here with egg on their faces. Quite a few with little to crib and cry about, but I doubt that will stop them. :pac:

Feria40

SusanC10 wrote: »

What about Kids ? Who can't be vaccinated yet.
No mention anywhere of them in there.

Or young people in general who are the ones most likely to be meeting up anyway (already!)

km79

Feria40 wrote: »

A lot of what is being discussed seems to depend on whether you have been vacinated or not.

Before even getting into whether this is discriminatory or not, it is surely entirely impossible to police?

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/nphet-gives-green-light-to-faster-than-expected-easing-of-restrictions-from-may-10th-1.4549950?mode=amp&__twitter_impression=true

That says barbers towards end of month
Cries

Kiith

A plan is what most people want, so if they can finally do that, most people will actually be happy with it.

I'll believe it when i see it though.

SusanC10

I know that new information comes to hand but it does annoy me when IT in particular create an alert, so you read the article and then a few minutes later they edit the article and keep editing it and it changes the information.

11521323

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

If these leaks are true I'll take an extended break from giving out. It looks like things could be moving much quicker than expected.

Yet much slower than most of the World. What people are willing to accept in this country is baffling. I cant grasp what circulates through your mind.

11521323

Kiith wrote: »

A plan is what most people want, so if they can finally do that, most people will actually be happy with it.

I'll believe it when i see it though.

They haven't even mentioned stuff like weddings, etc. There is no excuse to not have everything opened and full capacity by September but something tells me they'll do everything they can to avoid making a decision.

daydorunrun

SusanC10 wrote: »

What about Kids ? Who can't be vaccinated yet.
No mention anywhere of them in there.

Edit - they seem to have edited there after I read it the first time to mention Grandparents/Grandchildren.

I hope kids won’t require vaccinations until full and in-depth trials on the use of mRNA vaccines are carried out on kids. They have been passed for emergency use in adults. There is no need for emergency use in kids so there should be fully trialled.

Aph2016

The UK and NI have forced the government's hands.

NIMAN

leahyl wrote: »

Leak said end of May now, I think

Well to be fair, the end of May is June.

SusanC10

11521323 wrote: »

They haven't even mentioned stuff like weddings, etc. There is no excuse to not have everything opened and full capacity by September but something tells me they'll do everything they can to avoid making a decision.

Weddings are mentioned in the edited version of the IT article. (See my post above on why I hate the editing!)

0lddog

Stheno wrote: »

Now this is extremely surprising to me

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1387475173067182084?s=20

Might there have been a meeting between Mr Watt and Dr Holohan ?

Might Dr Holohan have come of second best ?

ypres5

This talk of vaccine dividends is pure discriminatory against younger people like me who have no problem being vaccinated but are held back by the governments already agonizingly slow rollout which'll be even slower due to the harebrained decision made regarding the restrictions put on the astrazeneca and j&j vaccines.

Zebra3

Aph2016 wrote: »

The UK and NI have forced the government's hands.

Yep and it’s been mentioned here plenty of times.

The magic money tree potentially running out and the thoughts of Paddy and Mary having a weekend in Belfast seems to be causing a Berlin Wall like collapse.

sporina

intercounty travel from when??? i'm confused

Stheno

sporina wrote: »

intercounty travel from when??? i'm confused

10th apparently

Zebra3

sporina wrote: »

intercounty travel from when??? i'm confused

Go travel inter county now if you feel like it.