Vaccine Megathread - See OP for threadbans

degrassinoel · 28-04-2021 10:19AM

I got my first jab on Saturday (I'm 44 with two chronic illnesses, respiratory and immune system) and honestly, the relief of getting it, it's something else.

iamwhoiam · 28-04-2021 10:19AM

I am not complaining about the vaccine rollout in general and I think it going well and very organised . But Cohort 4 and 7 are definitely lacking organisation
They had a year to sort that and decided at the last minute to try to co ordinate it
Many people are waiting in those cohorts and some in 7 being done before those in 4 .
In fact you could be in cohort 7 and not be vaccinated while your own age group are

1huge1 · 28-04-2021 10:20AM

Van.Bosch wrote: »

It on the HSE daily dashboard. Yeah low compared to the peaks but shows the impact of the MVCs on the “low” days

https://www.hse.ie/eng/services/news/newsfeatures/covid19-updates/vaccination-programme-dashboard-as-of-26-april-2021.pdf

Why is Monday a low day?

Cooled1 · 28-04-2021 10:24AM

odyssey06 wrote: »

No you need second dose to lock in long term protection for Pfizer \ Moderna \ AZ.

No one knows how long any vaccine protects you for long term as no data for this exists yet, though pfizer have said they believe a top up will be needed every year

Cooled1 · 28-04-2021 10:32AM

sd1999 wrote: »

That's... not how the vaccines work. You need two doses of Pfizer, Moderna and AZ. It's not overkill to give two doses, it's what's needed to be fully protected and prevent transmission as much as possible. By all means, if someone doesn't go for their second dose that's their decision but they won't be as protected long term and are more likely to transmit the virus.

2 doses of any of these vaccines do not give 100% protection, the added protection of the 2nd dose is very small. It would be better if twice as many people had 70% protection etc rather than half that amount of people having zero protection. And again no one knows the long term or even medium term protection from the vaccines, though it is believed than a top up dose is likely to be needed every year.

PhilOssophy · 28-04-2021 10:32AM

Cooled1 wrote: »

No one knows how long any vaccine protects you for long term as no data for this exists yet, though pfizer have said they believe a top up will be needed every year

Or the efficacy against the variants....much of this is learning "as you go".

The only thing that matters - they are all virtually 100% effective against death, hospitalisation and serious illness. If you get a "Covid-Cold" or whatever you want to call it for a few days, does it really matter?

People are putting way too much focus on the original clinical trials - and don't understand that they are not comparing like v like.

Look at the experience of other countries (e.g. the UK) to see just how effective any of these vaccines are.

Van.Bosch · 28-04-2021 10:42AM

1huge1 wrote: »

https://www.hse.ie/eng/services/news/newsfeatures/covid19-updates/vaccination-programme-dashboard-as-of-26-april-2021.pdf

Why is Monday a low day?

I’m not sure but historically it was lower, possibly due to deliveries coming on Mondays and then being shipped to GPs around the country.

Lucas Hood · 28-04-2021 10:47AM

seamus wrote: »

Where are you seeing that?

Low in comparison to midweek last week, but massive for a Monday. A clear indication that the programme is getting into its stride.

This report
https://www.hse.ie/eng/services/news/newsfeatures/covid19-updates/vaccination-programme-dashboard-as-of-26-april-2021.pdf

Taken the total of this report from yesterdays. Gives 19,881

https://www.hse.ie/eng/services/news/newsfeatures/covid19-updates/vaccination-programme-dashboard-as-of-25-april-2021.pdf

Bubbaclaus · 28-04-2021 10:47AM

1huge1 wrote: »

https://www.hse.ie/eng/services/news/newsfeatures/covid19-updates/vaccination-programme-dashboard-as-of-26-april-2021.pdf

Why is Monday a low day?

GPs still doing a lot of the vaccinating, and they wouldn't be receiving a delivery of doses over the weekend when the practice is typically closed, so no doses to give out then on the Monday.

plodder · 28-04-2021 10:49AM

Cooled1 wrote: »

No one knows how long any vaccine protects you for long term as no data for this exists yet, though pfizer have said they believe a top up will be needed every year

Every year, for ever more?

I guess it would be nice for them if that is the case. I think it is pessimistic to think that. Maybe one or two at most. I imagine given the incredible reputational gain to Pfizer in recent times, maybe they see $$ and will be marketing annual boosters, but whether they are actually needed is another question imo.

seamus · 28-04-2021 10:53AM

1huge1 wrote: »

Why is Monday a low day?

Logistics. Same reason why Saturday & Sunday are low days. Supplies get delivered early Monday. The morning is spent prepping. So the bulk of the vaccinations get done Tuesday, Weds, Thurs, then slow down over the weekend as the supply runs down.
The cycle then begins again Monday morning.

As all vaccinations move to the MVCs and away from GPs & hospitals, we should start to see a more steady flow of deliveries and therefore a more consistent level of vaccinations.

1huge1 · 28-04-2021 10:55AM

Thanks all for the replies, makes sense why Mondays will typically be a bit lower when most of the supply from the previous week has been used up.

Lucas Hood · 28-04-2021 10:59AM

Looks like a 51% increase for highest Monday previously which was march 29th.

Can't argue with that.

Bubbaclaus · 28-04-2021 11:02AM

Approaching 200k 7 day rolling average now. Should hopefully go over it tomorrow.

eigrod · 28-04-2021 11:09AM

My local GP told me that the practice effectively shuts down for a day to administer the vaccines, except for emergency care. They go from 8am to 9pm and each GP/Nurse works a shift. I know it was on Wednesday last week and they had 400+ people scheduled. It’s unlikely they’d do that on a Monday.

Eod100 · 28-04-2021 11:33AM

Not sure if this was posted already. Good to see. Pfizer has been very reliable so far.

https://twitter.com/MatinaStevis/status/1387344903739478016

iamwhoiam · 28-04-2021 11:39AM

eigrod wrote: »

My local GP told me that the practice effectively shuts down for a day to administer the vaccines, except for emergency care. They go from 8am to 9pm and each GP/Nurse works a shift. I know it was on Wednesday last week and they had 400+ people scheduled. It’s unlikely they’d do that on a Monday.

Ours does the same , they shut down the clinics and vaccine only appointments all day on Saturdays .

PhilOssophy · 28-04-2021 11:50AM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Ours does the same , they shut down the clinics and vaccine only appointments all day on Saturdays .

Yep same with another one which my cousin works in - hence her answering the calls to "is there anything I can do to get a Pfizer" brigade rant yesterday!

stephenjmcd · 28-04-2021 12:21PM

MM tells the Dáil that Pfizers largest delivery yet arrived today, 191,800 doses

Russman · 28-04-2021 12:23PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

MM tells the Dáil that Pfizers largest delivery yet arrived today, 191,800 doses

That's the sort of news we like to see !

Eod100 · 28-04-2021 12:24PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

MM tells the Dáil that Pfizers largest delivery yet arrived today, 191,800 doses

Great stuff. Thank feck for Pfizer!

ACitizenErased · 28-04-2021 12:25PM

we owe biontech a pint or 100000000

astrofool · 28-04-2021 12:29PM

Cooled1 wrote: »

2 doses of any of these vaccines do not give 100% protection, the added protection of the 2nd dose is very small. It would be better if twice as many people had 70% protection etc rather than half that amount of people having zero protection. And again no one knows the long term or even medium term protection from the vaccines, though it is believed than a top up dose is likely to be needed every year.

The answer is that we don't know the long term efficacy, we have the trial data, real world data from Israel and some data from other countries, and the manufacturers of the vaccine still recommend sticking to a 2 dose, 4-6 week schedule for their products (the exception seemingly being AstraZeneca where the dosing schedule appears to be made up as it goes along with the MHRA and EMA setting the dosing schedule, which is a bit weird).

While it's easy to use a small set of results or do as the UK did (we didn't need to our death rate was nowhere near their death rate), it is not a good way to build confidence in a medicine rollout if the recommended dosing schedule isn't followed. I've no doubt that it will be updated as more data comes in, I'd say it's likely that a 1 dose schedule comes in with a modified amount of active ingredient, but I don't know that, neither do you, so it shouldn't be the default to go against a manufacturers guidelines no matter how many armchair experts agree.

sunbabe08 · 28-04-2021 12:29PM

Pfizer Pharmaceutical company will forever be my fave Pharmaceutical company.

getting my vaccine tomorrow and I can't wait!!

Stheno · 28-04-2021 12:42PM

https://twitter.com/Mark_Coughlan/status/1387370634867617795?s=20

SJFly · 28-04-2021 12:43PM

seamus wrote: »

I don't think this is really going to make a massive difference. Initial J&J supplies we know are prioritised for other groups anyway.

If you think logistically about this, it's going to be next week (or even the week after) before people aged 59 will be invited to register for a vaccine. Ten days again before they start even vaccinating them. Which means it'll be the start of June at the very earliest before a jab goes near someone aged 50-55. At which point there'll be enough AZ & J&J to mostly cover them all.

I expect the 40-49 group will be started in parallel towards the end of May.

By the end of June then Everyone over 50 is covered, you've exhausted your AZ & J&J supplies and you can begin in earnest on the under-40s.

The end of June is way too late to begin the under 40s in earnerst. That would leave a huge percentage of the population unvaccinated coming in to the summer, and would miss the 80% target by some margin.
Supplies are really picking up and MVCs are getting up to speed. They should be able to move through the age groups quite quickly now, and a plan is needed for the j&j. When the bulk of it arrives the over 50s and over 40s will probably be finished.

JP Liz V1 · 28-04-2021 12:46PM

Taoiseach says Ireland’s biggest consignment of vaccines to date has arrived: 191,000+ doses of Pfizer

JP Liz V1 · 28-04-2021 12:51PM

https://twitter.com/irishexaminer/status/1387372432726577160

stephenjmcd · 28-04-2021 12:52PM

Updated deliveries into country
https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1387373416613744643?s=20

PhilOssophy · 28-04-2021 12:55PM

Great to hear that we've got 200k more Pfizer. But what next for AZ/J&J?

If MVC's aren't at full capacity, then we should 100% be moving to an "opt-in" model rather than seeing these sitting there.
I will be the first person in the queue for any vaccine which has been approved by the EMA and don't care which it is.

Otherwise, NIAC are going to have to do next week what they should have done this week - say "This vaccine is perfectly safe for all age groups" once the over 50's are finished using up the Pfizer vaccine which I am sure is where this is going.

If somebody wants to sit around and wait for their mis-guided belief of a silver bullet from Pfizer (in spite of it having the same immunity against hospitalisation/death/serious illness, except the SA variant which it has less protection than J&J) then be my guest.

There will be no shortage of volunteers to take any vaccine going who want to start living again as quick as possible.

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