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Can we have some fcuking control on the airports from high risk countries please?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 480 ✭✭Ramasun


    Has anyone flown out of Dublin airport recently?

    Are they still issuing fines for trips to the "dentist" in Tenerife?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,234 ✭✭✭✭normanoffside


    I didn't fly myself but the rules did state you needed a PCR 3 days before and 5 days after which they all managed to do via the NHS who take the PCRs by post and text out the results... In saying that they definitely weren't followed up on the 5 day post-landing test and might not have been checked pre-departure

    It’s clear you really don’t know what you are talking about. Ireland only began requiring a pre flight negative PCR test for arriving passengers on January 16th 2021.
    Before that you could just walk through with the passenger locator form and a promise to restrict your movements.

    The test for flying needs to state the exact time the sample was taken which needs to be no more than 72 hours before arriving.
    Most countries require the certificate to also state your passport number and incoming flight number (including the Netherlands, I know).

    A text from the HSE or NHS does not suffice as it’s too easily manipulated/falsified.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,979 ✭✭✭plodder


    In January all building sites other than the "essential" ones were closed house building was not considered essential but FDI construction was so to say we are determined to "destroy our FDI prospects" is completely untrue
    It could be causing problems for major projects like Intel where pretty much all the specialist equipment would be supplied from outside Ireland, eg from the US. Never mind US management who might want to pop over and see how their billions are being spent. Certainly, the longer it goes on the bigger a problem it will be. I can't see it lasting more than a month or two.

    “Fanaticism is always a sign of repressed doubt” - Carl Jung



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,954 ✭✭✭munchkin_utd


    interesting comment from Von Der Leyen
    “The Americans, as far as I can see, use European Medicines Agency-approved vaccines,” she said. “This will enable free movement and travel to the European Union.

    “Because one thing is clear: All 27 member states will accept, unconditionally, all those who are vaccinated with vaccines that are approved by EMA.”
    https://www.thejournal.ie/ursula-von-der-leyen-5420142-Apr2021/

    ooooooooooo.
    Tony wont like that


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,676 CMod ✭✭✭✭faceman


    interesting comment from Von Der Leyen

    https://www.thejournal.ie/ursula-von-der-leyen-5420142-Apr2021/

    ooooooooooo.
    Tony wont like that

    Vaccinated travellers are currently permitted to travel to Ireland without having to do MHQ. They still have to quarantine at home and I don’t think the EU can influence this


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,954 ✭✭✭munchkin_utd


    faceman wrote: »
    Vaccinated travellers are currently permitted to travel to Ireland without having to do MHQ. They still have to quarantine at home and I don’t think the EU can influence this
    wouldnt "unconditionally" mean with no conditions, as in no quarantine required ?

    Either way, it is meaningless to the normal working person in Ireland or the EU (or anywhere in the world outside of UK/ US/ Israel) to have qurantine free travel for the vaccinated as we will be waiting until mid to late summer or early autumn to be fully vaccinated, so no quarantine/ test free travel for the tax-paying masses.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,907 ✭✭✭zom


    interesting comment from Von Der Leyen

    Greece, Spain and Portugal have to be able to start paying their multibillion debts somehow..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,370 ✭✭✭joseywhales


    This is slightly unrelated but is she not overstating her power as eu commisioner? member states agree to freedom of movement for eu citizens but we still have sovereignty of access by all non-eu nationals? The EU is not a state.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,039 ✭✭✭acequion


    This is slightly unrelated but is she not overstating her power as eu commisioner? member states agree to freedom of movement for eu citizens but we still have sovereignty of access by all non-eu nationals? The EU is not a state.

    I wish she would overstep her power and as far as I'm concerned she's welcome to overstep some more if she'll bother about a small insignificant little place like Ireland on the wrong side of Brexit.

    Because the country is rudderless, that's plain for all to see. As someone aptly put it lately, the crowd in charge here couldn't run a resident's association let alone a country. So yes please Ursula, overstep all you want, we badly need to be rescued!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,370 ✭✭✭joseywhales


    acequion wrote: »
    I wish she would overstep her power and as far as I'm concerned she's welcome to overstep some more if she'll bother about a small insignificant little place like Ireland on the wrong side of Brexit.

    Because the country is rudderless, that's plain for all to see. As someone aptly put it lately, the crowd in charge here couldn't run a resident's association let alone a country. So yes please Ursula, overstep all you want, we badly need to be rescued!!

    I agree with the result but not the journey. We must have a broken system to rely on external pressure to save our economy.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 427 ✭✭mmclo


    I presume the PCR tests taken during his MHQ would suffice for re-entry to Amsterdam, no?

    The point of MHQ is for the govt to look like they know what they are doing. Due to the long list of exemptions and the short list of countries on "the list" it will be deemed by the govt to be a failure and no longer fit for purpose and it will be canned in June against the advice of public health doctors and the opposition.

    The govt will lose the next election so the end result will be fairly progressive

    PCR and Antigen on different days for NL


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,751 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    acequion wrote: »
    I wish she would overstep her power and as far as I'm concerned she's welcome to overstep some more if she'll bother about a small insignificant little place like Ireland on the wrong side of Brexit.

    Because the country is rudderless, that's plain for all to see. As someone aptly put it lately, the crowd in charge here couldn't run a resident's association let alone a country. So yes please Ursula, overstep all you want, we badly need to be rescued!!


    There is a plan you don't like it but it's there.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,234 ✭✭✭✭normanoffside


    Here's another one from Redcow Hotel Hotel California

    Argentine woman learns of her father's passing on the first day of her MHQ imprisonment and is refused permission to leave to go to her father's funeral and care for her vulnerable mother.

    https://twitter.com/Independent_ie/status/1386752947971895300
    wrote:
    “I was so broken and I just wanted to go outside the hotel to take some air. I called seven times to reception and they weren’t returning our calls.”

    Ms Mandato requested a review of her quarantine the following day so she could go home to be with her family. She had no idea her father had become unwell and said the news was a “total shock”.

    “When I requested the quarantine exception to go to the airport and fly back, they said there weren’t sufficient grounds for me to leave the hotel quarantine. That was heartbreaking.”


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,344 ✭✭✭Blut2


    I'd wonder about the legality of forcibly holding a foreign national against their will in MHQ when they've expressed all they want to do is leave Ireland to return to their home country.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Blut2 wrote: »
    I'd wonder about the legality of forcibly holding a foreign national against their will in MHQ when they've expressed all they want to do is leave Ireland to return to their home country.

    To be fair there have been plenty of Irish people held against their will in a foreign country. Par for the course in the costa del sol.


  • Posts: 5,506 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Blut2 wrote: »
    I'd wonder about the legality of forcibly holding a foreign national against their will in MHQ when they've expressed all they want to do is leave Ireland to return to their home country.

    I already told you and the papers also, no one at the premises will stop them returning to the airport to leave the state


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,344 ✭✭✭Blut2


    To be fair there have been plenty of Irish people held against their will in a foreign country. Par for the course in the costa del sol.

    Only when they've committed actual crimes, though.
    I already told you and the papers also, no one at the premises will stop them returning to the airport to leave the state

    Why exactly do you think shes staying if thats the case? Or the Dutch man in a similar situation?

    You should probably get onto the poor people stuck in quarantine and inform them they're staying there for no reason, if you apparently know more than them (and the journalists writing in the national papers).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 605 ✭✭✭a_squirrelman


    I already told you and the papers also, no one at the premises will stop them returning to the airport to leave the state

    Yeah this. Why aren't they walking out? Very strange.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Blut2 wrote: »
    Only when they've committed actual crimes, though.



    You should get onto the poor person stuck in quarantine and inform her shes staying there for no reason so, if you know more than her (and the journalists writing in the national papers).

    It is a crime here though. There are plenty of crimes in Spain which are not considered crimes here. habla espanol? People get locked up either way. Laws of the land and all.
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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,234 ✭✭✭✭normanoffside


    I already told you and the papers also, no one at the premises will stop them returning to the airport to leave the state

    So why has her appeal to leave been denied?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,751 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    So why has her appeal to leave been denied?


    We don't know the full story. It's pointless discussing individual cases like this.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,628 ✭✭✭IngazZagni


    It is a crime here though. There are plenty of crimes in Spain which are not considered crimes here. habla espanol? People get locked up either way. Laws of the land and all.

    They haven't committed a crime. They'd commit a crime if they left MHQ. That's the difference.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,523 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    wouldnt "unconditionally" mean with no conditions, as in no quarantine required ?

    Either way, it is meaningless to the normal working person in Ireland or the EU (or anywhere in the world outside of UK/ US/ Israel) to have qurantine free travel for the vaccinated as we will be waiting until mid to late summer or early autumn to be fully vaccinated, so no quarantine/ test free travel for the tax-paying masses.

    What it means is the EC won't impose EU-wide restrictions as they did last year


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,234 ✭✭✭✭normanoffside


    saabsaab wrote: »
    We don't know the full story. It's pointless discussing individual cases like this.

    That's what the DoH said in the article, are you working for them?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    IngazZagni wrote: »
    They haven't committed a crime. They'd commit a crime if they left MHQ. That's the difference.

    Ok so then no issue.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,234 ✭✭✭✭normanoffside


    This the denied appeal:

    Father has Died
    Mother is Diabetic and needs support
    Brother is Bi-Polar and can't provide that support

    Verdict: Not sufficient medical or Humanitarian grounds to end MHQ


    https://twitter.com/AmyMolloyIndo/status/1386761224977797130


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,523 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    This the denied appeal:

    Father has Died
    Mother is Diabetic and needs support
    Brother is Bi-Polar and can't provide that support

    Verdict: Not sufficient medical or Humanitarian grounds to end MHQ


    https://twitter.com/AmyMolloyIndo/status/1386761224977797130

    I feel for them but if they brought a vaccine-resistant variant in we'd be potentially closing up our schools again so we have to weigh their needs up against ours


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,234 ✭✭✭✭normanoffside


    I feel for them but if they brought a vaccine-resistant variant in we'd be potentially closing up our schools again so we have to weigh their needs up against ours

    Do you even read the article before commenting?

    She is already in Ireland, she is trying to leave Ireland to comfort her mother as her father has just died.


  • Posts: 5,506 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Yeah this. Why aren't they walking out? Very strange.

    Ask them. Maybe they assume that like their country, the soldier at the front door can actually stop them whereas in Ireland, he can't.
    So why has her appeal to leave been denied?

    One is nothing to do with the other.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,234 ✭✭✭✭normanoffside


    Ask them. Maybe they assume that like their country, the soldier at the front door can actually stop them whereas in Ireland, he can't.

    Again, she will have to get a PCR test to fly and wait for the results. What should she do in the intervening 24hr period?
    Will the Gardai not come looking for her as she'll have absconded?

    Some people don't want to break the law but they would like to be treated humanely, hence the appeal which was denied.


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