Can we have some fcuking control on the airports from high risk countries please?

munchkin_utd

Feria40 wrote: »

Folks, the EU Digital Green Pass ( or vaccine cert as the Irish media love to incorrectly call it) is up for vote by MEP's today. Fingers crossed ��

it'll be approved

the unfortunate Greeks and Spanish dont have the safety net of harbouring major multinationals and letting them essentially smugle 100s of billions out of the EU every year, taking a cut of about 10billion for yourself , not to mention the associated jobs, which Ireland has

They really need the tourism cash and the jobs it generates.
Ireland though seems to not need the approx 7 billion a year in turnover generated by foreign incoming tourism (or is that just the perspective of someone on a 6 figure salary for life in the medical system that is calling the shots?)

It was missed by the irish media late last spring that the Italian prime minister threatened to initiate Italys exit from the EU if travel arrangements in support of the tourism industry couldnt be organised and agreed on. And thats italy who actually have a proper indigineous industrial base, so they arent as reliant on tourism as the likes of Greece or Portugal.

Ireland is unique in Europe that they REALLY dont give a sh1te about the tourism industry, so regardless of whats done by the MEPs , dont be surprised if Ireland is also unique in struggling to implement the Green pass in time.

is_that_so

Our focus this summer seems to be on local tourism only so what's going on in Europe is not all that relevant. Equally the risk of a country suddenly ending up on the red list will give people pause. Ultimately it depends on just how long the MHQ system remains in place.

Feria40

is_that_so wrote: »

Our focus this summer seems to be on local tourism only so what's going on in Europe is not all that relevant. Equally the risk of a country suddenly ending up on the red list will give people pause. Ultimately it depends on just how long the MHQ system remains in place.

For sure, what happens in Europe is irrelevant.

We are just members after all :pac:

Lmkrnr

If the UK keeps getting the vaccines out and the case's come keep coming down then it will be a nice place to visit. Lots to see and do from sporting events to theme parks. It all boils down to the vaccine roll out here tho.

is_that_so

Feria40 wrote: »

For sure, what happens in Europe is irrelevant.

We are just members after all :pac:

Not all that relevant does not mean irrelevant and there is a context you seem to have skipped.

M_Murphy57

Lmkrnr wrote: »

If the UK keeps getting the vaccines out and the case's come keep coming down then it will be a nice place to visit. Lots to see and do from sporting events to theme parks. It all boils down to the vaccine roll out here tho.

Lots to see and do, better weather than here (certainly in the south of England anyway), indoor dining coming back and the abundance of choice means no price gouging on accomodation.

Their govt also implemented the sensible/easy to follow "eat out to help out" last year, whilst the dopes over here implemented an impossibly complex system involving uploading receipts to the revenue and waiting to get a piddly refund (which had almost no uptake)

No comparison between the 2 for holidays unfortunately.

FF are to blame for destroying the aviation industry and doing almost nothing to make staycation in Ireland seem appealing when faced with literally any other choice.

Red Silurian

M_Murphy57 wrote: »

Lots to see and do, better weather than here (certainly in the south of England anyway), indoor dining coming back and the abundance of choice means no price gouging on accomodation.

Their govt also implemented the sensible/easy to follow "eat out to help out" last year, whilst the dopes over here implemented an impossibly complex system involving uploading receipts to the revenue and waiting to get a piddly refund (which had almost no uptake)

No comparison between the 2 for holidays unfortunately.

FF are to blame for destroying the aviation industry and doing almost nothing to make staycation in Ireland seem appealing when faced with literally any other choice.

Some lovely weather down Brighton, Worthing in July and they're just an hour by train to London. A handy tip... There's deals to be had during the the first 2/2.5 weeks of July as the British kids are still in school so demand is low

Red Silurian

Knuckles Kennedy wrote: »

Even nicer weather down in the Med.
Rather than Brighton I'd be getting off the train at Gatwick and heading down to Spain for me holliers.

Yeah but better vaccination rates with less likelyhood of a lockdown in Brighton and almost no chance of the UK being added to the MHQ list

Can't say the same for Spain realistically

FileNotFound

bettyoleary wrote: »

I think you just have to accept the govt has said we cant keep our borders locked down We are going to get people bringing it in to Ireland and there is nothing we can do about it if that is what has been decided economically. People will go on holiday and bring it back. That cant be stopped People are inherently selfish and if they feel it is no threat to them or theirs they wont care about anyone else. People with money will demand openings despite risk and that will happen bcos of greed Unfortunately its a selfish world and poor and vunerable people will die until there is a vaccine.

In fairness that's a bit harsh, while I do not agree with flouting the guidelines and purposefully trying to break the rules. When exactly should people begin to live again?

New strains coming in is a grand concept but those strains will eventually get here anyway (most are already here somewhat) - is it an expectation that we would remain locked down until the entire nation is vaccinated?

What happens if a new strain pops up that's still getting around the vaccine to some extent - do we go back into random lockdowns?


Personally I was always under the impression our whole aim is to not overwhelm hospitals - now being as we have the most at risk being vaccinated and the numbers in hospitals are low, I would start to argue we have met that goal.

Combine the natural decline of transmission in summer months (based on last year during the summer), increased vaccination numbers, at risk mostly vaccinated already, hospitals in good shape and improved sanitary knowledge within the population - when exactly can we accept the endemic nature of Covid and move on with life?

Red Silurian

Knuckles Kennedy wrote: »

But how will Irish border officials know where you've been prior to arrival back here ?

Is that your only concern? Not the deadly virus you could bring home and the lockdown you could cause in your own country, no?

FileNotFound

Red Silurian wrote: »

Is that your only concern? Not the deadly virus you could bring home and the lockdown you could cause in your own country, no?

In fairness the deadly virus is here and with the exception of a few mutations (which seem more transmissible without any massive increase in mortality). These variants as long as they exist in the world will get here eventually.

Are we really going to ever lockdown again once there is a base immunity in the population? I mean once vaccination etc has progressed sufficiently is covid going to be less dangerous than the flu?

Knuckles Kennedy

Knuckles Kennedy wrote: »

But how will Irish border officials know where you've been prior to arrival back here ?

How do they know now?

You would swear that airports and ports don't require any information the way people go on

Knuckles Kennedy

Knuckles Kennedy wrote: »

That's precisely my point.
If travel restrictions are not opened up by June Ireland will vote with its feet.
Spain,Portugal,Italy and Greece will require nothing more than a negative PCR test which you can pick up at LGW/LHR for £80 ( and soon to be less when the VAT is scrapped on them ) with a 24-hour turnaround.A cheap night in LGW Premier Inn and a day on the turps down in Brighton while you wait and everything is sorted.

I don't get your point. You still need to obey the exact same laws returning from the uk that you do from Spain. You need the same pcr test by air.

Spain only requires a negative test now direct from Dublin.

Unless you mean via belfast for the entire thing purely to avoid the Non essential fine?
In that case yeah, it could work. A pain in the hole and still technically illegal but probable ok.

Why wouldn't you get the pcr test here and just travel up the day off your flight though? Or even just get your teeth examined and polished in tenerife?

saabsaab

Knuckles Kennedy wrote: »

I'm not talking about now where any non-essential travel from the UK is illegal.
But two month's time.
The virus will be dying out in the summer as viruses do.
The UK will move heaven and earth to get its aviation and travel sector up and running again.
You've only got to look at air fares between Ireland and the UK and how they're beginning to skyrocket because of the number bookings that are already being made.
The government here and NPHET know they cannot hold back the tide.
People have had enough of the most draconian lockdown measures in Europe.
They want to party.

It's all dependent on the vaccine roll out and all indicators are that we won't be in the opening up position until the end of June (variant permitting) I can see that some countries could be on MHQ for many months more or longer if they don't have an effective vaccine programme.

saabsaab

faceman wrote: »

This just gets funnier and funnier.

You know how many are sick in Ireland at the moment? Do you think MHQ has saved the rest of us?

It may well save us. Why wouldn't it? India has millions sick, is rolling out vaccines and is a likely breeding ground for new variants.

Flights are certainly getting expensive. Flew into Dublin from Heathrow last week and the Aer Lingus flight was full (excepting the middle seats that were kept free). Was about 3/4 full on the way back

Demand is definitely up, and I would imagine that the airlines will start putting on more flights soon enough to cater for that

Sonics2k

Knuckles Kennedy wrote: »

I'm not talking about now where any non-essential travel from the UK is illegal.
But two month's time.
The virus will be dying out in the summer as viruses do.
The UK will move heaven and earth to get its aviation and travel sector up and running again.
You've only got to look at air fares between Ireland and the UK and how they're beginning to skyrocket because of the number bookings that are already being made.
The government here and NPHET know they cannot hold back the tide.
People have had enough of the most draconian lockdown measures in Europe.
They want to party.

It's funny because people said literally this a year ago, and here we are.

saabsaab

Sonics2k wrote: »

It's funny because people said literally this a year ago, and here we are.

It probably takes a dip in the Summer naturally but last September people bringing Spanish variant back started it off again.



However, this shouldn't happen this year because of the vaccine roll out, hopefully.

Knuckles Kennedy

Knuckles Kennedy wrote: »

I'm not talking about now where any non-essential travel from the UK is illegal.
But two month's time.
The virus will be dying out in the summer as viruses do.
The UK will move heaven and earth to get its aviation and travel sector up and running again.
You've only got to look at air fares between Ireland and the UK and how they're beginning to skyrocket because of the number bookings that are already being made.
The government here and NPHET know they cannot hold back the tide.
People have had enough of the most draconian lockdown measures in Europe.
They want to party.

Will first off, non essential travel FROM the uk is not illegal. Entering the state is subject to restrictions but not illegal.

So what is it your reliant on changing to make this situation work?

If non essential travel is ok then you can go to Dublin airport just as easily. I can't see the airport fine still being in existence of there's no local restrictions

saabsaab

saabsaab wrote: »

It probably takes a dip in the Summer naturally but last September people bringing Spanish variant back started it off again.



However, this shouldn't happen this year because of the vaccine roll out, hopefully.

I don't recall a Spanish variant.

Feria40

Suggestions tonight that intercounty travel could commence as early as May 10th with pints on the 24th. Easing up earlier than expected which hopefully bodes well for EU travel in a couple of months

Knuckles Kennedy

Knuckles Kennedy wrote: »

Non-essential international travel has been banned from the UK since mid-February until May 17th at the earliest.

Under their laws but not ours and as a republic citizen, your journey home would be essential.

You are traveling from the Republic so I'm trying to figure out what situation you foresee that makes this method necessary but also legal.

Feria40

Feria40 wrote: »

Suggestions tonight that intercounty travel could commence as early as May 10th with pints on the 24th. Easing up earlier than expected which hopefully bodes well for EU travel in a couple of months

From who? Don't be getting peoples hopes up

Knuckles Kennedy

Knuckles Kennedy wrote: »

My point is if Ireland does not allow non-essential international travel by the summer the people will simply travel via the UK when green routes open up again and airlines are flying again.

Ok, I'm with you. Unlikely though if they open up internal travel and you will still be subject to quarantine in theory

Feria40

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

From who? Don't be getting peoples hopes up

Irish Times, Irish Independent take your pick.

Red Silurian

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

I don't recall a Spanish variant.

You probably didn't hear about it because it wasn't a variant of concern, in fairness there's been about a hundred variants, most having minor changes to the genome sequence and aren't really newsworthy only for detecting the travel of the virus

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/majority-of-irish-covid-19-cases-come-from-variant-that-originated-in-spain-study-1.4394152%3fmode=amp

caveat emptor

Red Silurian wrote: »

You probably didn't hear about it because it wasn't a variant of concern, in fairness there's been about a hundred variants, most having minor changes to the genome sequence and aren't really newsworthy only for detecting the travel of the virus

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/majority-of-irish-covid-19-cases-come-from-variant-that-originated-in-spain-study-1.4394152%3fmode=amp

Yeah little did we know.

A coronavirus variant that originated in Spanish farm workers has spread rapidly through much of Europe since the summer, and now accounts for the majority of new Covid-19 cases in several countries– and 60 per cent in Ireland.

An international team of scientists that has been tracking the virus through its genetic mutations has described the extraordinary spread of the variant, called 20A.EU1, in a research paper to be published on Thursday.
Their work suggests that people returning from holiday in Spain played a key role in transmitting the virus across Europe, raising questions about whether the second wave that is sweeping the continent could have been reduced by improved screening at airports and other transport hubs.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/majority-of-irish-covid-19-cases-come-from-variant-that-originated-in-spain-study-1.4394152

Red Silurian

FileNotFound wrote: »

In fairness the deadly virus is here and with the exception of a few mutations (which seem more transmissible without any massive increase in mortality). These variants as long as they exist in the world will get here eventually.

Are we really going to ever lockdown again once there is a base immunity in the population? I mean once vaccination etc has progressed sufficiently is covid going to be less dangerous than the flu?

I'm speaking specifically of the original poster bringing the virus back to his/her family... So far we've managed to keep the South African, Brazilian, and American variants out but I'd say that's more down to our nationwide lockdown, as we ease restrictions we will see the true benefit of MHQ... In answer to your last question - yes as long as we don't get a vaccine resistant variant

normanoffside

MHQ, putting poor people into debt for going to their family's funerals.

https://twitter.com/AmyMolloyIndo/status/1387400732714864642

Jack1985

Leo Varadkar has said he wants a plan in place for International Travel no later than end of May.

It looks like the DGC may be implemented unimpeded as designed, there really wasn’t much available to the Gov when they signed up to it.

Also it seems someone swapped Holohan’s pills as he recommended accelerated easing of restrictions.