Can we have some fcuking control on the airports from high risk countries please?

gozunda

Knuckles Kennedy wrote: »

But how will Irish border officials know where you've been prior to arrival back here ?

You are obliged to complete an online Passenger Locator Form on arrival into the state

cnbyz

Do you need to go through passport control in Belfast when flying from London ? Red list countries for UK and Ireland are different. There are no EU countries in UK's list. What is stopping people from flying into Belfast first then ? I hope NI shares passenger information with Republic. Otherwise MHQ is kinda pointless.

maestroamado

gozunda wrote: »

You are obliged to complete an online Passenger Locator Form on arrival into the state

You are required to fill in the form but i do not know if info if shared.
The last time i came into Belfast was before the big change here in January.
The last time i flew into Dublin (January) more than half the passengers were from NI.
Personally i think its crazy that us as an EU country have MHQ for EU citizens and we are a member where the UK allow travel and they just left.
I think the pre-flight test + home quarintine should be enough for Irish residents which seems to be what most countries.
How to deal with tourists is separate and that's for Government and industry to sort out...

Dr. Em

Knuckles Kennedy wrote: »

Not if you travel via Belfast.

The UK has a passenger locator form as well and asks the address of the location where you will be self-isolating. You would need to self-isolate in an Airbnb in the north to fulfill the requirements, really. Also, they require you to have pre-booked two covid tests at your own expense. I believe the current line is that even green countries on their traffic light system will trigger a testing requirement. Everything is in flux, of course..

munchkin_utd

Dr. Em wrote: »

The UK has a passenger locator form as well and asks the address of the location where you will be self-isolating. You would need to self-isolate in an Airbnb in the north to fulfill the requirements, really. Also, they require you to have pre-booked two covid tests at your own expense. I believe the current line is that even green countries on their traffic light system will trigger a testing requirement. Everything is in flux, of course..

when things settle down it is hard to imagine the UK having a stricter regime than Ireland

Ireland has this catholic obedience thing going on, an unquestioning deference to the people making the decisions, and the UK to put it mildly doesn't. They also have politicans in the government who are very anti lockdown and anti restriction which isnt the case in Ireland where Tony has a free reign and politicans and the public let him alone dictate any relaxation of restrictions or implementation of new ones.

All that considered, youd imagine the UK will have a system with less restrictions than Ireland and with a new hardline DUP leader likely, the north will take their lead from "the mainland" and not (in their eyes) the popist, gay loving, abortionist heritics down south.

Dr. Em

Knuckles Kennedy wrote: »

We're talking about a few weeks down the line if international travel opens up from the UK and not for Ireland.
There will be no restrictions or quarantining requirements between GB and NI.
Even current advice on self-isolation between the two is advisory and not law.
And if international travel opens up from Belfast it will be impossible to stop Irish citizens availing of it.
Plans for travel to green countries do not include PCR testing on return.

I'm not disputing that rules don't apply if you are simply travelling NI-ENGLAND-NI. This is the latest I've seen for travelling outside of the UK, and mind, that is after travel has 'opened up'.

Green

No isolation or quarantine will be needed, but you will still have to take PCR tests before you return to the UK, and once you arrive.
https://www.bbc.com/news/explainers-52544307

Dr. Em

munchkin_utd wrote: »

when things settle down it is hard to imagine the UK having a stricter regime than Ireland

Ireland has this catholic obedience thing going on, an unquestioning deference to the people making the decisions, and the UK to put it mildly doesn't. They also have politicans in the government who are very anti lockdown and anti restriction which isnt the case in Ireland where Tony has a free reign and politicans and the public let him alone dictate any relaxation of restrictions or implementation of new ones.

All that considered, youd imagine the UK will have a system with less restrictions than Ireland and with a new hardline DUP leader likely, the north will take their lead from "the mainland" and not (in their eyes) the popist, gay loving, abortionist heritics down south.

Economics are the driver here, not religion. Catholic Spain has some of the mildest travel restrictions and Lutheran Norway has practically banned all travel. Ireland has a long history of copying anything the UK does, partially to keep the CTA working. I would expect them to end up with broadly similar restrictions - just as is the case now.

Dr. Em

Knuckles Kennedy wrote: »

The test before return to the UK will be a lateral flow not PCR test - probably a quick swab at the airport.
The PCR test is not needed until at least the second day of return and Irish citizens will be back home before then - the UK and Ireland do not share information on PLF.
All of this to be reviewed in the UK by June 28th but I expect an EU vaccine passport to be in place by then anyway so I think all this might be largely immaterial.
My point is I think the government here will find it impossible to stop people going on holiday this summer.

It says PCR test in the quote. It also says that you will have to fill out the passenger locator form. The current form requires you to pre-book (and prepay) your after-flight test and put the details on the form. Why does everyone blithely assume the UK will have no restrictions in patent contradiction to every story coming out of the UK? Yes, they could change their plans, and they well might if the vaccinations keep levels lower than they hope. My point is that everyone seems to be certain that Irish restrictions on travel are going to be stricter than they say and that UK restrictions are going to be miles less strict than they say. It makes no sense.
I'm not arguing at all with your point that the Irish government will have to recognise reality or else people will go on holiday anyway.

normanoffside

normanoffside wrote: »

MHQ, putting poor people into debt for going to their family's funerals.

https://twitter.com/AmyMolloyIndo/status/1387400732714864642

These situations have my sympathies. It's one thing to get on a plane knowing your traveling to one of the designated countries but this is harsh, very harsh. I would imagine the flights alone aren't that cheap to begin with. I don't have 1900 just sitting around

Dr. Em

Knuckles Kennedy wrote: »

PCR testing will only apply where travellers have not had vaccines.
What would be the point of developing an app-based vaccine passport and still insist on PCR testing before and after return to the UK ?

That may be so. Do you have a link where it has been confirmed?
That is also what the EU passport is considering, isn't it?
If both of those are confirmed, it will be just as easy for vaccinated Irish people to fly out of Dublin.

Dr. Em

Knuckles Kennedy wrote: »

No link because nothing has been confirmed - just a Brit minister Grant Shapps confirming in an interview that the current NHS app will be used as a Covid passport and that the traffic lights system for international travel could be in place by May 17th and this will be reviewed again in June.
I don't think anyone over there seriously believes Spain,Portugal and Greece won't be packed with UK tourists by July.
And yes my whole point is that despite what the government here might say the Irish will also be there either via Dublin, Belfast or the UK.
Which means tourism to Ireland will also be open by July despite the best efforts of some in government to kill it off for another summer.

The travel agents over there have noted a slump in demand for summer and a rise in the autumn. My guess is that both the UK and Irish systems will be just loose enough to allow those who really need a holiday, and can shoulder the expense, to take one, but still restrictive. My fully vaccinated family over there - avid travellers who travelled even last summer - have already said travelling this summer would be too much hassle and expense. Ironically, they consider Ireland the only viable option! Others will travel - maybe more from Ireland due to pent-up demand, but most families with varying ages will probably stay at home.

Red Silurian

Jack1985 wrote: »

Leo Varadkar has said he wants a plan in place for International Travel no later than end of May.

It looks like the DGC may be implemented unimpeded as designed, there really wasn’t much available to the Gov when they signed up to it.

Also it seems someone swapped Holohan’s pills as he recommended accelerated easing of restrictions.

Bit of an arsehole comment about the man who probably kept us all alive. Also worth remembering that the govt said NPHET were on board with the plans at the start of December - something which NPHET consistently denied and the govt only recently admitted to lying about

Dr. Em wrote: »

Economics are the driver here, not religion. Catholic Spain has some of the mildest travel restrictions and Lutheran Norway has practically banned all travel. Ireland has a long history of copying anything the UK does, partially to keep the CTA working. I would expect them to end up with broadly similar restrictions - just as is the case now.

Agreed, religion has very little to do with those of us who understand the restrictions... In fact many catholic religious leaders were less concerned by the virus than they were about church attendances

https://www.arabnews.com/node/1649066/world

https://www.politico.eu/article/mass-protests-coronavirus-covid19-lockdown-tests-italy-greece-france-germany-priests-patience/

normanoffside

Red Silurian wrote: »

Bit of an arsehole comment about the man who probably kept us all alive.

OMG that's the most deluded thing I've every read :pac::pac::pac:

The man who probably kept us all alive.

For all those that had a dig / go at me for saying that people could walk out of the hotel without being stopped by staff or soldiers:


"Mr Coveney said the agencies involved are committed to making it work but the Defence Forces were not there to stop people leaving."

And

"The minister said if anyone is leaving the centre, gardaí would be notified and that they would "take appropriate action"."

(https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0328/1206608-coronavirus-quarantine-hotel/)

Jack1985

Red Silurian wrote: »

Bit of an arsehole comment about the man who probably kept us all alive.

Sorry I’ve only come off the floor from laughing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7iPaiylUYW0

Marcusm

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

For all those that had a dig / go at me for saying that people could walk out of the hotel without being stopped by staff or soldiers:


"Mr Coveney said the agencies involved are committed to making it work but the Defence Forces were not there to stop people leaving."

And

"The minister said if anyone is leaving the centre, gardaí would be notified and that they would "take appropriate action"."

(https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0328/1206608-coronavirus-quarantine-hotel/)

Not sure why they are having a dig at you as it was always made clear that these were not lockdown hotels and that any absconded would be dealt with as you desbribe. What surprises me is that they are using city centre hotels where there are limited scope for exercise areas and more attractions to abscond. The pilot guy was treated poorly, if his own testimony can be accepted, given that he suggested they should not release him.

Marcusm

Knuckles Kennedy wrote: »

A slump from when though ?

Politicially I can't see the UK giving up the advantage it has gained from the successful vaccine roll-out programme to not let people head off on their summer holidays.
If Greece,Spain and Portugal say we're happy to accept your tourists but the Brits say ah well we're not so sure think of the criticism that they'll face.
My bet is a swift roll-out of vaccine passports in the next few weeks ( an internationally-acceptable QR code on the EU or UK versions linked to airport passport scanners) and an opening up of travel in a serious way starting in July and going strong by August.
This linked to cheaper and faster PCR testing for those who won't be jabbed in time.

The libertarian side of the U.K. government recognises that they should not preclude/demonise foreign travel but the practical/economic side wants to incentivise domestic travel (summer of fun) to boost the economy. There are some of the same elements here.

Red Silurian

normanoffside wrote: »

OMG that's the most deluded thing I've every read :pac::pac::pac:

The man who probably kept us all alive.

Jack1985 wrote: »

Sorry I’ve only come off the floor from laughing.

Yeah... Sure... It's not like we have fewer deaths in this country because of his lockdown advice last March or anything :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Would you would be praising him if we had the same death rates as the states, the UK, Brazil or India?

normanoffside

Red Silurian wrote: »

Would you would be praising him if we had the same death rates as the states, the UK, Brazil or India?

India has 147 deaths per 1m population.
Ireland has 987

We have almost 7 times more.

Red Silurian

normanoffside wrote: »

India has 147 deaths per 1m population.
Ireland has 987

We have almost 7 times more.

India are at the start of a new wave, most of their deaths for this wave probably haven't been recorded yet

But while we're on the figure of deaths per million

UK 127k deaths on population of 65m = 1,950 deaths per million
USA 575k deaths on population of 328m = 1,753 deaths per million
Brazil 400k deaths on population of 211m = 1,895 deaths per million

munchkin_utd

Red Silurian wrote: »

Yeah... Sure... It's not like we have fewer deaths in this country because of his lockdown advice last March or anything :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Would you would be praising him if we had the same death rates as the states, the UK, Brazil or India?

if Ireland (aka Tony) was a little more balanced in their (his) approach then people wouldnt have gone plain bonkers at christmas jumping through windows of a hotel to get pints and get away from the Gardai, leading to the worst covid rates in the world at the time.

I'm sitting here able to do click and collect at my local shops (and I have a drawer of fresh undies from Primark last month), go shopping in person with a test, with a haircut from just before easter, was at mass on Easter Sunday (never thought that'd be a highlight) , had free travel all over the continent during the summer and had a great and relaxing holiday in Italy, had beergardens and bars open all last summer until October , and all in all am very restricted in what I can do but at least where I am (not Ireland) theres a weee bit of leeway by the authorities that stops you completely loosing the plot

normanoffside

Red Silurian wrote: »

India are at the start of a new wave, most of their deaths for this wave probably haven't been recorded yet

I doubt they are going to multiply their numbers by 7.

Anyway thanks for the laugh about our saviour Tony.; back on topic.

Red Silurian

Red Silurian wrote: »

Bit of an arsehole comment about the man who probably kept us all alive. Also worth remembering that the govt said NPHET were on board with the plans at the start of December - something which NPHET consistently denied and the govt only recently admitted to lying about

"Kept us all alive" .... https://extra.ie/2020/08/23/news/irish-news/untested-hospital-patients-covid

Only in Ireland could someone who did this - seeding the nursing homes with COVID patients for THREE MONTHS - and also attempted to bury the cervical check scandal be lauded as a hero.

According to data published for the first time in this week’s report, the HSE sent 4,460 untested patients from COVID-hit acute hospitals into nursing homes in the three months between the beginning of March and the end of May.

At the same time, 401 COVID-confirmed acute hospital patients — who had had COVID at some point during their hospital stay — and 11 Covid-probable patients were transferred after being cleared by tests.

Under HSE guidance in place throughout this period, these patients were deemed eligible for transfer to care homes even if they were showing symptoms and had been identified as close contacts of others who were COVID-positive.

Red Silurian

munchkin_utd wrote: »

if Ireland (aka Tony) was a little more balanced in their (his) approach then people wouldnt have gone plain bonkers at christmas jumping through windows of a hotel to get pints and get away from the Gardai, leading to the worst covid rates in the world at the time.

I'm sitting here able to do click and collect at my local shops (and I have a drawer of fresh undies from Primark last month), go shopping in person with a test, with a haircut from just before easter, was at mass on Easter Sunday (never thought that'd be a highlight) , had free travel all over the continent during the summer and had a great and relaxing holiday in Italy, had beergardens and bars open all last summer until October , and all in all am very restricted in what I can do but at least where I am (not Ireland) theres a weee bit of leeway by the authorities that stops you completely loosing the plot

I don't see the relevance, do you want a medal for your foresight to not live in Ireland or something?

Red Silurian

normanoffside wrote: »

I doubt they are going to multiply their numbers by 7.

Anyway thanks for the laugh about our saviour Tony.; back on topic.

You're the one giving me a laugh

What's next? The cervical check scandal that the Scally report cleared him of any wrongdoing in or maybe you want to blame the HSE policy of putting sick people into nursing homes on him?

On second thoughts it looks like somebody's beaten you to it :D:D

Deleted User wrote: »

"Kept us all alive" .... https://extra.ie/2020/08/23/news/irish-news/untested-hospital-patients-covid

Only in Ireland could someone who did this - seeding the nursing homes with COVID patients for THREE MONTHS - and also attempted to bury the cervical check scandal be lauded as a hero.

is_that_so

Deleted User wrote: »

"Kept us all alive" .... https://extra.ie/2020/08/23/news/irish-news/untested-hospital-patients-covid

Only in Ireland could someone who did this - seeding the nursing homes with COVID patients for THREE MONTHS.

That was HSE guidance, not the CMO. Neither the CMO nor NPHET run the HSE nor offer them any advice.

Red Silurian

Red Silurian wrote: »

I don't see the relevance, do you want a medal for your foresight to not live in Ireland or something?

Nope, he's just pointing out what a backward overpaid team of health "experts" (basically Tony Holohan ruling by diktat and overruling NPHET and NIAC while the government and opposition look on and do nothing) destroying our economy and killing people from non COVID disease, stalling our vaccine rollout by taking anti vaxx positions, using failed modelling and refusing to use antigen testing.

That's all.

is_that_so

Data on infections in MHQ - just 5 VOCs.

One in every 33 people who has entered mandatory hotel quarantine in Ireland since the international travel rule began has tested positive for Covid-19.

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0429/1212842-mandatory-quarantine/

normanoffside

normanoffside wrote: »

India has 147 deaths per 1m population.
Ireland has 987

We have almost 7 times more.

facepalm

Red Silurian

is_that_so wrote: »

Data on infections in MHQ - just 5 VOCs.





https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0429/1212842-mandatory-quarantine/

That's 5 people who won't spread the variants on who otherwise would have. Fantastic news.